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[MegaSovereign]

iakus wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

What's worse is that the EC slides directly contradict what this topic says.

Use your freaking eyes people.

Even in the best endings, the relay network is still severely damaged.  In the other two endings, the Reapers are there to help rebuild.  In destroy, the races on on their own. They'll recover, but it'll take much longer.

Ergo, "dark age"

And yes, Shepard's still stuck in the rubble. 

I fail to see how Shepard is stuck in the rubble.

[AngryFrozenWater]

iakus wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

What's worse is that the EC slides directly contradict what this topic says.

Use your freaking eyes people.

Even in the best endings, the relay network is still severely damaged.  In the other two endings, the Reapers are there to help rebuild.  In destroy, the races on on their own. They'll recover, but it'll take much longer.

Ergo, "dark age"

And yes, Shepard's still stuck in the rubble. 

I see not depending on the reapers as a bonus. The civilizations recover without them just fine. May take a bit longer, but so what?

[MegaSovereign]

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

iakus wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

What's worse is that the EC slides directly contradict what this topic says.

Use your freaking eyes people.

Even in the best endings, the relay network is still severely damaged.  In the other two endings, the Reapers are there to help rebuild.  In destroy, the races on on their own. They'll recover, but it'll take much longer.

Ergo, "dark age"

And yes, Shepard's still stuck in the rubble. 

I see not depending on the reapers as a bonus. The civilizations recover without them just fine. May take a bit longer, but so what?

Yea it's more like a Rebirth instead of a darkage.

[Wayning_Star]

iakus wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

What's worse is that the EC slides directly contradict what this topic says.

Use your freaking eyes people.

Even in the best endings, the relay network is still severely damaged.  In the other two endings, the Reapers are there to help rebuild.  In destroy, the races on on their own. They'll recover, but it'll take much longer.

Ergo, "dark age"

And yes, Shepard's still stuck in the rubble. 

Folks seems to miss the fact that if reaper tech exists, then the cycle will most likely continue. Control has a chance, if Shep can stay sane for about ever, synthesis could alter the evolution enough to mold a generic common thread amongst all concerned. But is hard to tell what exactly would be the long term results, as we're not privy to much info on it other than the green machines and organic hard wirings. Edi runs on about semi nirvana, but that's only a short term thing when considering how long the Leviathan live. But their motives and modus operende could be undermined with the 'sharing' of aforementioned common thread. When the astro-boy say's "destroy", it weren't kidding around...

[Wayning_Star]

MegaSovereign wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

iakus wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

What's worse is that the EC slides directly contradict what this topic says.

Use your freaking eyes people.

Even in the best endings, the relay network is still severely damaged.  In the other two endings, the Reapers are there to help rebuild.  In destroy, the races on on their own. They'll recover, but it'll take much longer.

Ergo, "dark age"

And yes, Shepard's still stuck in the rubble. 

I see not depending on the reapers as a bonus. The civilizations recover without them just fine. May take a bit longer, but so what?

Yea it's more like a Rebirth instead of a darkage.

No.. it's a dark age. Too many in the MEU rely on tech to exist. From starships to walking to school...Yikes!!

[MegaSovereign]

Wayning_Star wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

iakus wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

What's worse is that the EC slides directly contradict what this topic says.

Use your freaking eyes people.

Even in the best endings, the relay network is still severely damaged.  In the other two endings, the Reapers are there to help rebuild.  In destroy, the races on on their own. They'll recover, but it'll take much longer.

Ergo, "dark age"

And yes, Shepard's still stuck in the rubble. 

I see not depending on the reapers as a bonus. The civilizations recover without them just fine. May take a bit longer, but so what?

Yea it's more like a Rebirth instead of a darkage.

No.. it's a dark age. Too many in the MEU rely on tech to exist. From starships to walking to school...Yikes!!

Nope. Most of the tech is intact save for the relays which are only "damaged" thanks to the EC retcon.

You clearly see the fleets going back home. You also get a lot of the same epilogue slides that the Control/ Synthesis endings have.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

It's a dark age just like Mac said. There is no time table given on the slides. It is just the perfect ending. So bleak. So dark. So agey. We go from starships back to living in the 1950s. Soon is soon to the kid. Remember the kid is over a billion years old. So that could be a couple hundred to a few thousand years, unless someone was smart enough to make PAPER copies of everything. Ah yes, paper, we've dismissed that myth. Oh well, back to the Japanese transistor radios. Oh I forgot. You kids don't know what a transistor is.

[Deathsaurer]

How exactly does rebuilding slower make it a dark age? No wait, don't answer that.

[AngryFrozenWater]

Wayning_Star wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

iakus wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

What's worse is that the EC slides directly contradict what this topic says.

Use your freaking eyes people.

Even in the best endings, the relay network is still severely damaged.  In the other two endings, the Reapers are there to help rebuild.  In destroy, the races on on their own. They'll recover, but it'll take much longer.

Ergo, "dark age"

And yes, Shepard's still stuck in the rubble.

I see not depending on the reapers as a bonus. The civilizations recover without them just fine. May take a bit longer, but so what?

Yea it's more like a Rebirth instead of a darkage.

No.. it's a dark age. Too many in the MEU rely on tech to exist. From starships to walking to school...Yikes!!

The more reaper tech destroyed the better. That forces the civilizations to finally think for themselves and not be babysitted by a genocidal synthetic race that caused more atrocities than one can imagine.

[MegaSovereign]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

It's a dark age just like Mac said. There is no time table given on the slides. It is just the perfect ending. So bleak. So dark. So agey. We go from starships back to living in the 1950s. Soon is soon to the kid. Remember the kid is over a billion years old. So that could be a couple hundred to a few thousand years, unless someone was smart enough to make PAPER copies of everything. Ah yes, paper, we've dismissed that myth. Oh well, back to the Japanese transistor radios. Oh I forgot. You kids don't know what a transistor is.

Actually Bioware said that the epilogue slides initially represents what the galaxy is like just after the Reaper war and then they supposedly go into what the galaxy is like hundreds of years after.

The EC is a retcon to whatever Super Mac's original intentions were. Hence the Control/Synthesis/Destroy slides being pretty similar overall.

Modifié par MegaSovereign, 17 octobre 2012 - 08:05 .

[Fixers0]

It's not like we don't know how to repair damaged Mass-Relays, don't we?

Modifié par Fixers0, 17 octobre 2012 - 08:08 .

[Conniving_Eagle]

Why do we call him Super Mac now?

[Maxster_]

To repair relay network, you must fully understand reaper technology, which is way beyond any current cycle civilization. Also, you need a lot of eezo, and hundreds of years to repair both ends of the primary relay connections.
Stellar civilizations created on using relay network, will be severely crippled without it, economics collapse, mining outposts die out. There will be no resources to even start that project.
So yeah, dark age and Earth is screwed.

[Wayning_Star]

MegaSovereign wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

It's a dark age just like Mac said. There is no time table given on the slides. It is just the perfect ending. So bleak. So dark. So agey. We go from starships back to living in the 1950s. Soon is soon to the kid. Remember the kid is over a billion years old. So that could be a couple hundred to a few thousand years, unless someone was smart enough to make PAPER copies of everything. Ah yes, paper, we've dismissed that myth. Oh well, back to the Japanese transistor radios. Oh I forgot. You kids don't know what a transistor is.

Actually Bioware said that the epilogue slides initially represents what the galaxy is like just after the Reaper war and then they supposedly go into what the galaxy is like hundreds of years after.

The EC is a retcon to whatever Super Mac's original intentions were. Hence the Control/Synthesis/Destroy slides being pretty similar overall.

Well, dark ages don't last all that long, so.. But, in any event the ending scrolls are parity for user reaction to a story. The time frames of each 'recovery' isn't disclosed. Through out the game, reapers were the enemy, only up until the ending scenes, we find that the organics AND synthetics are the enemy. They created the glitch by utilizing the tech that was left behind by the Leviathan. That being altered and expanded(assumed) by the catalyst, truly reaperized. That's why I've alway went with the green eyes treatment, gave old Mother Nature a what for with that one. Make ME have to needs technology JUST to exist in the mass effect universe will yah!?!.. guess I told you!! lol

edit: actually, all the organics didn't 'invent' the "glitch", apparently it were the Leviathan, who created the first reaper, via the catalyst... it were just living up to a name though.

Modifié par Wayning_Star, 17 octobre 2012 - 08:12 .

[MegaSovereign]

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

Why do we call him Super Mac now?

He's essentially the anti-hero of the Mass Effect universe.

[AngryFrozenWater]

MegaSovereign wrote...

Wayning_Star wrote...

No.. it's a dark age. Too many in the MEU rely on tech to exist. From starships to walking to school...Yikes!!

Nope. Most of the tech is intact save for the relays which are only "damaged" thanks to the EC retcon.

You clearly see the fleets going back home. You also get a lot of the same epilogue slides that the Control/ Synthesis endings have.

Exactly. Of course the reapers cannot repair stuff that is damaged already, but the civiliations will manage just the same. The EC is not as bad in that regard as the orginal. To me the geth not surving is much worse. But that's off topic.

[Wayning_Star]

MegaSovereign wrote...

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

Why do we call him Super Mac now?

He's essentially the anti-hero of the Mass Effect universe.

isn't that a parody of MickyDee 'big mac'?  I'd guess 'whipping boy' would be a better anology...

[Steelcan]

It really isn't actually. The EC slides establish that pretty well.

[MACharlie1]

...do you guys even know what a "dark age" is?

Dark age is used to describe a period of time in which nothing is really learned or innovated. The economy sucks and nobody is really that educated. Things start to become more religiously based rather then scientific. Dark age does NOT refer to a period where things are kind of bad and needs to be rebuilt.

The period after Destroy is more of a "Reconstruction" period. Very different. Compare European Dark age to Europe post-World War II. They might have similar factors like the economy sucks but in this case, I would think in terms of education it would have the exact opposite effect.

Modifié par MACharlie1, 17 octobre 2012 - 08:20 .

[Wayning_Star]

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

Wayning_Star wrote...

No.. it's a dark age. Too many in the MEU rely on tech to exist. From starships to walking to school...Yikes!!

Nope. Most of the tech is intact save for the relays which are only "damaged" thanks to the EC retcon.

You clearly see the fleets going back home. You also get a lot of the same epilogue slides that the Control/ Synthesis endings have.

Exactly. Of course the reapers cannot repair stuff that is damaged already, but the civiliations will manage just the same. The EC is not as bad in that regard as the orginal. To me the geth not surving is much worse. But that's off topic.

we don't actually 'know' what shape the relays are in, or how long it might take to even assess their damage, muchless fix them. It's an unfortunate given(san destroy folks kudos any and all reaper tech as well as ANY sentient synthetic life forms(known or unknown) are basically toast. None of the ships would function properly, as they all utilize synthetic sentience to navigate, heck the microwave food regenerators prolly wouldn't even work. It takes  an awful lot of self determination to survive in the 'destroy choice' MEU.  They couldn't even find Shepard out in a pile of rubble...muchless repair the damage non reaper tech aided. Many of the weapons relies on sentient reaper tech.. Bow's and arrows time...

[Steelcan]

MACharlie1 wrote...

...do you guys even know what a "dark age" is?

Dark age is used to describe a period of time in which nothing is really learned or innovated. The economy sucks and nobody is really that educated. Things start to become more religiously based rather then scientific. Dark age does NOT refer to a period where things are kind of bad and needs to be rebuilt.

The period after Destroy is more of a "Reconstruction" period. Very different. Compare European Dark age to Europe post-World War II. They might have similar factors like the economy sucks but in this case, I would think in terms of education it would have the exact opposite effect.

. Exactly

[David7204]

You know, about the Super MAC thing, whoever did the math for Halo either goofed up the research or didn't bother with it entirely. A 3000 ton slug fired at 12,000 kilometers per second every 5 seconds means the gun has an output of about 39.2 exawatts of power. That's millions of times higher than would ever be possible.

Not really sure if that helps or hurts the mockey. It certainly doesn't make Halo look good, though.

Modifié par David7204, 17 octobre 2012 - 08:24 .

[Wayning_Star]

Can anyone state exactly how long it takes for recovery after destroy? Maybe I missed something there??? Without reaper tech? That's the "Shepard" ideal. Just say NO to reaper tech!! Destroy the reapers at all costs..etc. Right?!?

(synthesis and probably control have the shortest recovery time in my estimation.}

[David7204]

No. There's too many unknowns.