Here's a revolutionary idea: why doesn't Bioware make a complete game? If there's room for DLC later, that's fine, but the game should be a complete package without any obvious holes (looking at you, Javik). There's nothing I want as DLC, I want it all in the game. Strange idea to some, I know.
~What Do You Want As DLC?~
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#52
Posté 18 octobre 2012 - 02:55
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Double post, my mistake.
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Posté 18 octobre 2012 - 03:39
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New weapon style trees, new spell trees, new specializations, new classes, new quests. Trebuchet operation simulator, supergolem-piloting arena combat vs Thedas megafauna.
#54
Posté 18 octobre 2012 - 03:54
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i want a cd-key dlc. and unlock main menu dlc. oh, and awesome button dlc. because there can never be enuf dlcs.dlcs.
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#55
Posté 18 octobre 2012 - 03:55
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Thibbledorf26 wrote...
Maria Caliban wrote...
dpMeggers wrote...
The fact that this thread exists before the game has even been released means that we as gamers have accepted that we'll be paying extra for content that exists on release day but was not implemented before printing.
Clerk: Okay, that's a combo meal with small fries and drink. Would you like to add a slice of apple pie?
BSNer: The apple pie doesn't come with the meal?
Clerk: The combo meal is a hamburger with fries and a drink. The apple pie is only 65 cents extra.
BSNer: What the..?! You CHEATING BASTARDS. That apple pie should come WITH THE MEAL. (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
Clerk: You get a whole meal, it's just that if you want more...
BSNer: I can SEE THE PIE right now. It's just sitting there. You could easily add it to my meal without charging me more! It doesn't matter that I'm getting a full meal I want MORE because I know there's MORE to have. I want one of everything you have available and want it for the exact same price as a regular combo meal!
I disagree with this analogy. Paying extra for DLC that includes borderline-essential parts of the storyline and weapon packs intended to balance gaps in the available weapons in the OC game, is tantamount to saying the $60-$100 you paid for the full retail game did not entitle you to the full game.
The way they do DLC is closer to making you pay for a burger meal, taking out the tomato from the burger, and making you pay extra for the tomato. You can enjoy the burger without the tomato, so why not pay extra if you want it?
And what, exactly, is the "borderline essential part of the storyline" that was relegated to DLC?
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Posté 18 octobre 2012 - 04:04
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Thibbledorf26 wrote...
Maria Caliban wrote...
dpMeggers wrote...
The fact that this thread exists before the game has even been released means that we as gamers have accepted that we'll be paying extra for content that exists on release day but was not implemented before printing.
Clerk: Okay, that's a combo meal with small fries and drink. Would you like to add a slice of apple pie?
BSNer: The apple pie doesn't come with the meal?
Clerk: The combo meal is a hamburger with fries and a drink. The apple pie is only 65 cents extra.
BSNer: What the..?! You CHEATING BASTARDS. That apple pie should come WITH THE MEAL. (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
Clerk: You get a whole meal, it's just that if you want more...
BSNer: I can SEE THE PIE right now. It's just sitting there. You could easily add it to my meal without charging me more! It doesn't matter that I'm getting a full meal I want MORE because I know there's MORE to have. I want one of everything you have available and want it for the exact same price as a regular combo meal!
I disagree with this analogy. Paying extra for DLC that includes borderline-essential parts of the storyline and weapon packs intended to balance gaps in the available weapons in the OC game, is tantamount to saying the $60-$100 you paid for the full retail game did not entitle you to the full game.
The way they do DLC is closer to making you pay for a burger meal, taking out the tomato from the burger, and making you pay extra for the tomato. You can enjoy the burger without the tomato, so why not pay extra if you want it?
i'm thinking to go along with the analogy it would be more along the lines of the meal was advertised as having medium fries and medium drink but there telling you it's only a small and you have to pay more to upgrade it when you were promised a medium in the first place and DLC should be like the pie you don't need it but it sure as hell would taste good.
#57
Posté 18 octobre 2012 - 04:05
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No DLC.
Just a couple of expansions.
Just a couple of expansions.
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Posté 18 octobre 2012 - 06:16
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Expansions are DLC.Icinix wrote...
No DLC.
Just a couple of expansions.
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Posté 18 octobre 2012 - 06:20
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DLC is not expansion, because expansion expand the game, not adding things that are suppose to be in the game
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Posté 18 octobre 2012 - 06:21
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Too early to say, for me that is.
Note: I don't buy all dlc for DA games, but I buy most of them. (I buy all ME dlc. I know... I know...)
Note: I don't buy all dlc for DA games, but I buy most of them. (I buy all ME dlc. I know... I know...)
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Posté 18 octobre 2012 - 06:23
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Prove that DLC is "supposed" to be in the game and that expansions aren't.Nizaris1 wrote...
DLC is not expansion, because expansion expand the game, not adding things that are suppose to be in the game
What exactly do expansions add that could not have potentially been included in the original game?
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Posté 18 octobre 2012 - 06:25
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Foir example, Age of Mythology, that is the actuial game, Age of Mythology : The Titans is the expansion that are not add things in the original game but add new campaign, factions and monsters, the whole new game that continue the original game
While DLC is as example, Dragon Age 2 is the actual game, The Exiled Prince ADD Sebastian as one of the optional companion in the original game
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DLC is a bad and evil marketing strategy....they made the whole thing first, then they separate the contents making it DLC...
While DLC is as example, Dragon Age 2 is the actual game, The Exiled Prince ADD Sebastian as one of the optional companion in the original game
Edit :
DLC is a bad and evil marketing strategy....they made the whole thing first, then they separate the contents making it DLC...
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Posté 18 octobre 2012 - 06:35
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But the Titans expansion could have been included in the main game. All the developers would've had to do was delay the release of Age of Mythology until the new content was complete.Nizaris1 wrote...
Foir example, Age of Mythology, that is the actuial game, Age of Mythology : The Titans is the expansion that are not add things in the original game but add new campaign, factions and monsters, the whole new game that continue the original game
While DLC is as example, Dragon Age 2 is the actual game, The Exiled Prince ADD Sebastian as one of the optional companion in the original game
Likewise, Bethesda could have delayed Skyrim and made Dawnguard and Hearthfire parts of the main game experience.
Sebastian's role in DA2 is extremely negligible. He is not a plot-critical character in any sense. You can easily play the game without him and the story is not significantly altered in any way.
One again, you have absolutely no proof that this is the case.Edit :
DLC is a bad and evil marketing strategy....they made the whole thing first, then they separate the contents making it DLC...
DLC and Expansion Packs are fundamentally the same thing. They serve the exact same function. People are just quibbling over meaningless superficialities like terminology, the timing of release, or the size/nature of the content.
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#64
Posté 18 octobre 2012 - 06:39
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Maria's analogy pretty much sums it up for me. I'll never understand why some people take the mere existence of DLC as evidence that content was stripped out of the initial product. In regards to DA, I think those games felt entirely complete without any of the DLC (except for the absence of party storage in Origins, which was sometimes irritating). Things like Shale and Seb certainly added to the experience (Seb in particular by adding more depth to the Chantry), but in the games I played before getting them, at no point did I feel like there was something missing.
In response to the topic, I very much enjoy story DLC and generally anything that gives new content for companions. I am, in fact, a great fan of companion DLCs (like Seb and Shale), and while I don't really have any problem with day 1 DLC, I'd also love to see a post-release companion DLC for Dragon Age at some point. I know it's trickier to do, but I'd like to see it nonetheless.
In response to the topic, I very much enjoy story DLC and generally anything that gives new content for companions. I am, in fact, a great fan of companion DLCs (like Seb and Shale), and while I don't really have any problem with day 1 DLC, I'd also love to see a post-release companion DLC for Dragon Age at some point. I know it's trickier to do, but I'd like to see it nonetheless.
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Posté 18 octobre 2012 - 06:50
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DLC: Reapers
At the end of DA:3, the Reapers invade and you have a Halo:Reach style last stand till you die
At the end of DA:3, the Reapers invade and you have a Halo:Reach style last stand till you die
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Posté 18 octobre 2012 - 07:06
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But the Titans expansion could have been included in the main game. All the developers would've had to do was delay the release of Age of Mythology until the new content was complete.
NO, expansion is totally separated game, but use the original game resource, NOT like DLC that add new contents in it.
DLC is like Spiderman 3 with Goblin and Sandman as DLC, so the one who don't pay more will never watch Goblin vs Sandman in it
Expansion is like Spiderman 3 with extra little more ending,
Another example, Shogun Total War is the original game, Shogun Total War Monggol Attack is a separated game with new campaign, new faction, new time line that is not related with the original game, but it use resources from original game.
DLC is...They already created the sword named "Bloodsucker", then you must pay "Bloodsucker DLC" to see this "Bloodsucker" sword in the game
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Posté 18 octobre 2012 - 07:29
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POETICDRINK wrote...
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Nothing, I don't want DLC. I don't buy things online=I "suffer" when there's DLC, especially story relevant DLC.
Unless there will be an Ultimate Edition. But Bioware/EA hate those.
Agreed. I don't buy DLC.
Even a few of you don't want it. DLC is part of games now, every game on the market has some type of DLC. I'm still wondering why would any of you wait until you know the story or play the game first and then ask for what you want as DLC. Most DLC is thought out in the early development of the game and finished before it's release. I highly doubt after the game comes out they will make the DLC you or anyone wants.
Yes, and that's a shame. I very much preferred the old way of selling expansion-packs. No DLC I have ever bought has come close in offering a new or expanded experience like the expansions used to do. Much of the problem I think is that almost all DLC has to be tied into the original game somehow, for example Warden's keep, or whatever it was called. I don't want stuff that just expands the original game, I want new experiences (like Throne of Bhaal, JA2: Unfinished Business, Hordes of the Underdark, Storms of Zehir)!
It's also usually quite short, like a few hours at most. Yeah, it's cheaper too, but I'd gladly pay more for something more substantial.
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Posté 18 octobre 2012 - 07:42
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So, my takeaway from this thread is that the game needs to stand on its own for a while before major DLC comes out, so it feels like people are buying more than what they should already have. I know, breathtaking insight... but something I hope Bioware doesn't forget.
Item packs and other minor DLC are fine for day one fodder, and should be tolerable for even those with great DLC disdain. (Though I'd ask the items aren't overpowered, or are obtained through hard side quests, so we can step back from pay-for-power gameplay.) But I think Bioware should stop with Shale/Sebastian/Javik DLC near release, which gives a palpable ripoff vibe.
So, I lean towards extra quests over extra companions -- I'd prefer a few well-rounded characters over lots of guest appearances. I'd also like each DLC to feel like it adds to the entire campaign. Other DLC felt disjointed, insulated from what they should've affected. Recovering Cailan's armor and documents and finding out about Hawke's father should've had more consequences. The DLC affecting the entire campaign in sustained, even if small, ways would keep entire re-playthroughs interesting.
Item packs and other minor DLC are fine for day one fodder, and should be tolerable for even those with great DLC disdain. (Though I'd ask the items aren't overpowered, or are obtained through hard side quests, so we can step back from pay-for-power gameplay.) But I think Bioware should stop with Shale/Sebastian/Javik DLC near release, which gives a palpable ripoff vibe.
So, I lean towards extra quests over extra companions -- I'd prefer a few well-rounded characters over lots of guest appearances. I'd also like each DLC to feel like it adds to the entire campaign. Other DLC felt disjointed, insulated from what they should've affected. Recovering Cailan's armor and documents and finding out about Hawke's father should've had more consequences. The DLC affecting the entire campaign in sustained, even if small, ways would keep entire re-playthroughs interesting.
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Posté 18 octobre 2012 - 08:20
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I have never bought any DLC for any game ever, and do not ever intend to. I often purchase games a second time in the form of Utimate Editions and Game of the Year editions however.
The fact that EA/Bioware seem to have stopped releasing these complete editions seems extremely cynical to me and has put them in my bad books. The recently announced ME trilogy edition will feature next to no DLC - and it is easy to purchase all three games separately for less than it costs to buy the complete trilogy in one. On top of that, Bioware have completely refused to either explicitly confirm or deny the future existence of Ultimate Editions of DA2, ME2 or ME3, which left customers waiting in limbo for their possible release. Consequently, I still have not bought any edition of ME3, despite being a huge fan of its predecessors, and of every other Bioware game I've played. Not that I expect anyone to care. However, these are bad business practices, out of line with what the rest of the market offers, and cause customer resentment towards EA. Haven't they ever heard of customer loyalty?
If there was to be an Ultimate Edition of DA2 (which there won't be), I would want at least one of the expansions to take the form of a substantial epilogue, like Awakenings, which I loved. Personally I want to see DA3: The Black City as a giant post-game expansion pack. But only if there is an Ultimate Edition, otherwise I don't care about DLC.
The fact that EA/Bioware seem to have stopped releasing these complete editions seems extremely cynical to me and has put them in my bad books. The recently announced ME trilogy edition will feature next to no DLC - and it is easy to purchase all three games separately for less than it costs to buy the complete trilogy in one. On top of that, Bioware have completely refused to either explicitly confirm or deny the future existence of Ultimate Editions of DA2, ME2 or ME3, which left customers waiting in limbo for their possible release. Consequently, I still have not bought any edition of ME3, despite being a huge fan of its predecessors, and of every other Bioware game I've played. Not that I expect anyone to care. However, these are bad business practices, out of line with what the rest of the market offers, and cause customer resentment towards EA. Haven't they ever heard of customer loyalty?
If there was to be an Ultimate Edition of DA2 (which there won't be), I would want at least one of the expansions to take the form of a substantial epilogue, like Awakenings, which I loved. Personally I want to see DA3: The Black City as a giant post-game expansion pack. But only if there is an Ultimate Edition, otherwise I don't care about DLC.
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Posté 18 octobre 2012 - 08:29
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I prefer expansions over small dlc's ,because they are longer, even with new party (don't like it, but if the storytelling is handled well it can work for me)
But at 1st i want good game with no plotholes and such, and there's not even release date yet.
But at 1st i want good game with no plotholes and such, and there's not even release date yet.
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Posté 18 octobre 2012 - 08:32
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Yes , thisargan1985 wrote...
like Throne of Bhaal, JA2: Unfinished Business, Hordes of the Underdark, Storms of Zehir!
I also love nwn2 - mask of the betrayer (even if it's too much sweet for my usual tastes)
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Posté 18 octobre 2012 - 08:34
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I want lots of content already in the game, possibly available in MP, but locked out for single-player. That's what I want. and recolours of companion's outfits, the pricier the better.
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Posté 18 octobre 2012 - 08:56
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Plaintiff wrote...
Expansions are DLC.Icinix wrote...
No DLC.
Just a couple of expansions.
Hahahahhaha!
..wait...
... you're serious.Ok - let me rephrase that - a couple of retail sold third of the price of the original game pieces that act outside of the realm of the main game rather than pieces that slot in requiring you to play the game to a point to experience a few hours of something then continue the rest of the game.
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Posté 18 octobre 2012 - 09:25
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I love Story DLCs, especially when they are a continuation to the main story or tie to the characters in it. That's why I really appreciated Legacy and Lair of the Shadow Broker.
Companions DLCs are fine as long as they're an incentive to buy new like Shale or Zaeed, but not as an incentive to preorder like Sebastian. I have no particular opinion about companions added later on, like Kasumi (I know that I never took her with me on a mission and never particularly care, but that's another matter).
I think that the DA team really improved their DLCs content with DA2 (the returning of old companions with new lines of dialogue being one of the main reason why I loved them) and I really looked forward to The Exalted March.
Anyway, don't have anything specific to ask for, just good Story DLCs
Companions DLCs are fine as long as they're an incentive to buy new like Shale or Zaeed, but not as an incentive to preorder like Sebastian. I have no particular opinion about companions added later on, like Kasumi (I know that I never took her with me on a mission and never particularly care, but that's another matter).
I think that the DA team really improved their DLCs content with DA2 (the returning of old companions with new lines of dialogue being one of the main reason why I loved them) and I really looked forward to The Exalted March.
Anyway, don't have anything specific to ask for, just good Story DLCs
