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[Todd23]

 I want to hear people's oppinions on what it might mean.

I tried to find out myself.  I know that there's alot of simularities between The Chantry and Christianity.  So I asked someone who has researched christianity a whole lot to look at what it said:  "One day the magic will come back.  All of it.  Everyone will be just like they were.  The shadows will part and the skies will open wide.  When he rises, everyone will see."  Keep in mind she doesn't even know about Dragon Age.  She said that they believe there is a world that is here but not here.  And that we are blind to it because there is a veil that seperates it.  And that when God comes to the earth, the dead will rise and the veil will be removed.

[AdmiralDavidAnderson]

I think Sandal is half-human and the son of Flemeth.

[DarkKnightHolmes]

It's just a thing Bioware made up for speculation sake and probably have no real idea where to go with it.

Modifié par DarkKnightHolmes, 17 octobre 2012 - 09:56 .

[The Hierophant]

I think Sandal's prophecy means that like in olden times everyone will have sparkly fingers, dragons constantly doing fly bys, and your next door neighbor is most likely a demon.

[Quicksilver26]

never mind

Modifié par Quicksilver26, 17 octobre 2012 - 10:11 .

[Atalanta]

Even if his prophecy were true, it may not be fulfilled in this game.

My totally uninformed guess (I haven't read the novels or comics or anything) is that he's warning of the return of a Lovecraftian deity ... maybe one of the two remaining Old Gods or one of the Elven Pantheon, or something even older and more sinister (my guess, the Forgotten Ones). I don't think that's what Inquisition is going to be about, though.

[whykikyouwhy]

 His prophecy means that we'll see an animated Doug Henning.

[ledod]

Out of curiosity, there are several allusions to a primordial 'uni-dimension," a reality encompassed by a 'physical plane'-'fade plane' hybrid, made by various characters in Dragon Age media. Does anyone know of codexes that refer to the possiblity of this fact? I am shocked, for example, that none of the Dalish lore explicitly states a shift in the dimensional-reality of the universe, yet, a Daughter of Flemeth is fully aware of said change. (I will concede, however, that the entrapment of their 'benevolent' gods/'malevolent' gods may be a metaphor for the dimensional change).What imposed the veil that divides spirits from the physical realm - was it an event, or the actions of some unknown entity?

[Todd23]

ledod wrote...

Out of curiosity, there are several allusions to a primordial 'uni-dimension," a reality encompassed by a 'physical plane'-'fade plane' hybrid, made by various characters in Dragon Age media. Does anyone know of codexes that refer to the possiblity of this fact? I am shocked, for example, that none of the Dalish lore explicitly states a shift in the dimensional-reality of the universe, yet, a Daughter of Flemeth is fully aware of said change. (I will concede, however, that the entrapment of their 'benevolent' gods/'malevolent' gods may be a metaphor for the dimensional change).What imposed the veil that divides spirits from the physical realm - was it an event, or the actions of some unknown entity?

"creators" - fade.  "forgoten ones" - thedas.  They were imprisoned in their own realms.  Perhaps this speaks of the veil being created.

[devSin]

"But lo, here comes the dawn."

In other words, it could mean anything. :-)

[Shades_Of_Pale]

devSin wrote...

"But lo, here comes the dawn."

In other words, it could mean anything. :-)

^this. 

[l7986]

He could be talking about the aftermath of Taco night...

[Iakus]

 I wonder if by "the magic"  he's referring to the gods of Thedas.  You notice a lot of them are MIA:  The Maker, the elven gods, the Old Gods. Maybe by finding out the truth behind their disappearance,.  Perhaps the Veil can be repaired and mages won't fall to demonic possession so much("everyone will be like just like they were")?  Magic will become easier to control and better accepted?

Also, the darkspawn taint might be part of it as well.  It's a wild card, neither human nor demonic.  No one knows where it came from, and the Golden City was already blackened and the Maker gone when teh magisters arrived (according to Corypheus)  Maybe destroying the taint (the shadows will part) is a part of the return of the gods/magic to Thedas.

[Doctoglethorpe]

All will bow to the dread wolf, the false maker. 

[ledod]

iakus wrote...

 I wonder if by "the magic"  he's referring to the gods of Thedas.  You notice a lot of them are MIA:  The Maker, the elven gods, the Old Gods. Maybe by finding out the truth behind their disappearance,.  Perhaps the Veil can be repaired and mages won't fall to demonic possession so much("everyone will be like just like they were")?  Magic will become easier to control and better accepted?

Also, the darkspawn taint might be part of it as well.  It's a wild card, neither human nor demonic.  No one knows where it came from, and the Golden City was already blackened and the Maker gone when teh magisters arrived (according to Corypheus)  Maybe destroying the taint (the shadows will part) is a part of the return of the gods/magic to Thedas.

My only question about the Black City always being black is where did the idea of a purported 'golden city' come from? Given that the Black City is always visble in the fade, does that not mean the Golden City was always visible as well? Did the magisters never visit the fade conciously prior to their physical breach of the "city"? In otherwords, if the city always looked like that funky, jacked-up floating island, what the frack compelled the Magisters to listen to the Old Gods in the first place?

Also, isn't everything, literally everything, in the fade some spirit? Trees, buildings, blades of grass- aren't they spiritual manifestations of "real-world" concepts obtained from dreamers. Doesn't that mean, technically, the Golden-Black city was/is some sort of spirit itself?

[Iakus]

ledod wrote...

iakus wrote...

 I wonder if by "the magic"  he's referring to the gods of Thedas.  You notice a lot of them are MIA:  The Maker, the elven gods, the Old Gods. Maybe by finding out the truth behind their disappearance,.  Perhaps the Veil can be repaired and mages won't fall to demonic possession so much("everyone will be like just like they were")?  Magic will become easier to control and better accepted?

Also, the darkspawn taint might be part of it as well.  It's a wild card, neither human nor demonic.  No one knows where it came from, and the Golden City was already blackened and the Maker gone when teh magisters arrived (according to Corypheus)  Maybe destroying the taint (the shadows will part) is a part of the return of the gods/magic to Thedas.

My only question about the Black City always being black is where did the idea of a purported 'golden city' come from? Given that the Black City is always visble in the fade, does that not mean the Golden City was always visible as well? Did the magisters never visit the fade conciously prior to their physical breach of the "city"? In otherwords, if the city always looked like that funky, jacked-up floating island, what the frack compelled the Magisters to listen to the Old Gods in the first place?

Exactly.  I believe the magisters were trying to claim the Maker's power so they could free their Old Gods.  But something else got there first... 

Also, isn't everything, literally everything, in the fade some spirit? Trees, buildings, blades of grass- aren't they spiritual manifestations of "real-world" concepts obtained from dreamers. Doesn't that mean, technically, the Golden-Black city was/is some sort of spirit itself?

Yes, for some reason, the Maker's City is a permanent fixture in an otherwise malleable world.

[ledod]

iakus wrote...

ledod wrote...

iakus wrote...

 I wonder if by "the magic"  he's referring to the gods of Thedas.  You notice a lot of them are MIA:  The Maker, the elven gods, the Old Gods. Maybe by finding out the truth behind their disappearance,.  Perhaps the Veil can be repaired and mages won't fall to demonic possession so much("everyone will be like just like they were")?  Magic will become easier to control and better accepted?

Also, the darkspawn taint might be part of it as well.  It's a wild card, neither human nor demonic.  No one knows where it came from, and the Golden City was already blackened and the Maker gone when teh magisters arrived (according to Corypheus)  Maybe destroying the taint (the shadows will part) is a part of the return of the gods/magic to Thedas.

My only question about the Black City always being black is where did the idea of a purported 'golden city' come from? Given that the Black City is always visble in the fade, does that not mean the Golden City was always visible as well? Did the magisters never visit the fade conciously prior to their physical breach of the "city"? In otherwords, if the city always looked like that funky, jacked-up floating island, what the frack compelled the Magisters to listen to the Old Gods in the first place?

Exactly.  I believe the magisters were trying to claim the Maker's power so they could free their Old Gods.  But something else got there first... 

Also, isn't everything, literally everything, in the fade some spirit? Trees, buildings, blades of grass- aren't they spiritual manifestations of "real-world" concepts obtained from dreamers. Doesn't that mean, technically, the Golden-Black city was/is some sort of spirit itself?

Yes, for some reason, the Maker's City is a permanent fixture in an otherwise malleable world.

Interestingly, though, contact with the physical plane alledgedly caused that transformation of the only fixed 'entity' in the fade? Did the city become aware of itself, and its quasi-imaginary existence- Is the Black City depressed ; )? Or is the city's transformation mirrored in the transformation of Justice into Vengeance? Justice became tranfixed/defined by Anders' 'vengeance,' and the Spirit of Vengeance was born. Perhaps the Black City became obsessed with something dark/polluting within the Magisters, and consequentially embodied imperfection as opposed to its former concept of perfection.

[ledod]

In other words, maybe the Chantry's attribution to the Magisters' hubris, and the defilement of the Blackcity, has true merit.

[LadyVaJedi]

Maybe all of the Gods/Goddess are coming back from vacation. Or maybe Sandal is saying that everything will be back in balance and maybe that is why the magic will be back.

[Medhia Nox]

The statue in the Circle Tower of the Mage beginning says something very close to Sandal's prophecy.

Sure - Jowan makes fun of it - but we know that she's either a genuine seer - or a lying statue (why though - especially at this point in the game?)

[Auintus]

Dumat! Our silent lord shall return to us!

[Medhia Nox]

I'd like to see the dwarves get magic "back".

But I could also see a compelling story where elven magic amps up royally and the elves rise up and you find out their ancient empire was a cruel and vile place where they used other races as chattel.

At any rate - I think they both mean something.

It's seems too coincidental that Sandal seems "Tranquil" - yes, I know he's an idiot savant of the most mundane variety... but, just odd.

Also - there's DA:O where you find him surrounded by dead bodies - and then against in DA: 2 where he goes missing and you find him with a super rare rune.

I think Bodahn knows what's up with him - or at the very least that he's important.

[DiebytheSword]

I would love to see the Sandal questions answered, but I would also be fine with more hints.

[Aulis Vaara]

It seems obvious to me now, but I could still be wrong. Apparently there was a time before the Veil, in that light:

"The shadows will part, and the skies will open wide." means that the Veil will disappear. "One day the magic will come back. All of it," well if the Veil is gone, there will be nothing left to keep the magic of the Fade out, it will all just be here. "Everyone will be just like they were," well, it's separating the mages from the fade that makes them tranquil, if the Fade is no longer separated from the world, it'll be like there's a Justice presence everywhere, every tranquil will once again become a mage.

The only thing that's not obvious, is who "he" is.

Modifié par Aulis Vaara, 18 octobre 2012 - 03:11 .

[Hey]

I'm realing hoping there isn't a huge Sandal reveal. Just keep him as is. Nothing more. A savant and no ego.. It's great..

Now the Nexus golem says some stuff I'm wondering about...