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[kungfuju]

Ok I havent played the game much so I am bit of a noob, but I want to use morrigan on my party for my offensive mage but whenever she uses cone of cold she freezes me!  what good is that? Is this something you always have to deal with, or is there a way around it?  BTW I couldnt post this in the other forum...it wouldnt let me

[bzombo]

yes, get out of the way or turn off that tactic and use coc manually.

[Trajan60]

AoE cone attacks should never be set to a tactic.

[kungfuju]

well I'm a warrior so im going to always be up close. and when I read like all her offensive spells they say "friendly fire" So should I just not even bother with her?

Modifié par kungfuju, 31 décembre 2009 - 12:06 .

[Sidney]

kungfuju wrote...

well I'm a warrior so im going to always be up close. and when I read like all her offensive spells they say "friendly fire" So should I just not even bother with her?

Mages AoE attacks must be manually controlled. You have to move her about to get the best "shot" for CoC or any other spell with FF or you will just get hit over and over.

[DragonRageGT]

First, register your copy of the game to gain posting privileges in the whole forum.
http://social.biowar...es_register.php

Now, I had the same thing happening until I learned to never use CoC on a fixed target! Pause the game and zoom out (hope you're on a PC) and set the CoC without any target. (you'll have an "aim" reticle on the cursor) This way you can see the area of effect and control exactly what will be affected. If any of your companions are highlighted by the AoE, they will be frozen too.

Modifié par RageGT, 31 décembre 2009 - 12:13 .

[kungfuju]

so essentially if i want her on my team...or have her on my team with the most effectiveness I need to control her myself???

[Bomfy]

Trajan60 wrote...

AoE cone attacks should never be set to a tactic.

That, I think the devs put into a requirement that one party memeber must always be hit by them.  As a tool to help the player learn to pause often and take control.

[vicariouscheese]

kungfuju wrote...

so essentially if i want her on my team...or have her on my team with the most effectiveness I need to control her myself???

unless youre on easy, this is actually a 4-man game, not a 1 man game with 3 companions.  if you only want to control your pc and always rely on tactics and not throw the game out the window in frustration, play on easy.  otherwise, learn to use all 4 of your people.  if you want a mage with aoe, you need to do it yourself or they will do really stupid things like freeze you with cone of cold or blizzard on top of your party etc...

[DragonRageGT]

kungfuju wrote...

so essentially if i want her on my team...or have her on my team with the most effectiveness I need to control her myself???

Not really, I'd say, but for that particular spell! This game will require some management of all party members at some point since there are not enough tactics slots for all their abilities at first and I don't waste skill points on that. (my view is for a Hard/NM mode... might be different on lower diffs)

Where are you in the game? I have a very cool example of a CoC winning me an encounter that may seem very hard but in fact it is not. I wouldn't recommend you watching it though as it may be a major mid-game spoiler!

Modifié par RageGT, 31 décembre 2009 - 12:28 .

[DragonRageGT]

Acrn wrote...

i have cone of cold set as one of her tactics and i've never had issues with her freezing me?

What difficulty? There is no friendly fire on lower diffs and that might be it!

Modifié par RageGT, 31 décembre 2009 - 12:30 .

[Killian Kalthorne]

Its her way of giving you the cold shoulder.

[Khumak]

bzombo wrote...

yes, get out of the way or turn off that tactic and use coc manually.

Nah the problem is Morrigan is nearsighted.  Give her a longer range AoE like Blizzard or Inferno and she'll never hit you with friendly fire

[Tyrax Lightning]

Maybe the AI wasn't given any programming for calculating the outer arcs of cone spells?

[Cybercat999]

Roll mage and freeze her back. Or drop fireball on her head. I do it all the time, its fun.

[Eshme]

kungfuju wrote...

so essentially if i want her on my team...or have her on my team with the most effectiveness I need to control her myself???

Most true enlightment of the day
Yes you have 4 members, you have to control them all Kind of the reason there is a pause feature if you look at it.

[Sidney]

I think you can let most non-mages roll scripted in most fights. Mages you really do have to control because of AoE and also mana churn vs cooldown and even then it is really your damage mages and not your healers that need the most "help" in combat.

[AiTenshi1]

Actually, the only concern is AoE spells, not all spells, and not even all AoE spells.



For example, you can have Morrigan learn the Walking Bomb chain (including Virulent Walking Bomb) because those spells target single targets initially, but do AoE if the target dies while the spell is still active. Even then, the AoE should not kill your party members (unless they are near death already, maybe, or have lots of injuries that decrease their health). There are lots of spells - most spells, actually - that are not broad AoE damage, so it really is not a problem at all once you learn the spells and how to use them in different situations.



For example, Cone of Cold and the two other short arc elemental spells (fire and lightning) are for short range combat. CoC is also intended to be combined with critical hits such as Stone Fist or Critical Shot (for archers) in order to shatter enemies, or severely damage tough foes.



The huge AoE spells such as Inferno, Blizzard and Tempest, as well as Death Cloud and Earthquake, are intended to be cast on an area before you even enter the area. That's why the can be cast through unopened doors or through walls into rooms and corridors. They are broad, localized effects on an area rather than being target for an enemy, per se. If you plan it right, you can cast multiple broad AoE spells so that enemies try to run from one but run into the effect of another, always taking some sort of damage as they attempt to avoid the spell and rush to attack you.

[SusanStoHelit]

Yep.

Cast tempest and blizzard into a closed room full of enemies, this can be put into tactics slots. Sleep and then nightmare likewise, even on enemies immediately around you, no problem. Cone of Cold is the one real bugbear in this regard, imo.

So, either set it only for elite enemies and higher (especially followed by crushing prison). And take the risk of being temporarily frozen because the payout is so much fun. Or simply only use that one by taking manual control.

If you are on a pc, I would recommend the Advanced Tactics mod to you, which fixes some of bioware's dodgy tactics AI and allows some alternative instructions/settings. Also good is the mod that gives you 25 tactics slots per character free (without putting points in), if you would rather not micromanage but are lacking in slots (Exptable, I think, or something similar).

Modifié par SusanStoHelit, 31 décembre 2009 - 04:39 .

[DJ0000]

RageGT wrote...

Acrn wrote...

i have cone of cold set as one of her tactics and i've never had issues with her freezing me?

What difficulty? There is no friendly fire on lower diffs and that might be it!

That just means that it does no damage, not that it doesn't freeze allies

[Cybercat999]

AiTenshi1 wrote...

Actually, the only concern is AoE spells, not all spells, and not even all AoE spells.

For example, you can have Morrigan learn the Walking Bomb chain (including Virulent Walking Bomb) because those spells target single targets initially, but do AoE if the target dies while the spell is still active. Even then, the AoE should not kill your party members (unless they are near death already, maybe, or have lots of injuries that decrease their health).

Well I am playing mage again this game and if I dont take good care to keep everyone out of range, I kill my entire party with walking bombs, 75% health to 0 instantly. It basically wipes everything in range. I only had that line once before and I didnt notice it was such powerful spell back then.

Modifié par Cybercat999, 01 janvier 2010 - 01:07 .

[Hyper Cutter]

RageGT wrote...

Acrn wrote...

i have cone of cold set as one of her tactics and i've never had issues with her freezing me?

What difficulty? There is no friendly fire on lower diffs and that might be it!

I've been playing on Easy, and while allies don't seem to take damage from AOE attacks, the secondary effects still seem to apply for some reason...

[borelocin]

My suggestion would be to only use non Friendly Fire AOEs on tactics - I tend to use Sleep, Mass Paralysis etc on tactics and hotbar the FFAOEs so I can use them manually when required.