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[Humanoid_Typhoon]

magnetite wrote...

What disaster? The ending is fine. Unless you take everything you see at face value. They've even hinted at several points in the game that aren't supposed to be taken literally.

So in other words people who don't like it "don't get it"


Awesome.

[deimosmasque]

I think someone mentioned it already but Ultima 9. You think the ending to the third game in a series that came out over the course of 5 years being bad and lazy sucks.

How about a series of 9 games that came out over 18 years and the entire last game is a buggy, crappy, piece of junk that is full of plot holes, contradictions to previous games and much like ME3 ends with the death of the protagonist for no good reason.

I started playing Ultima games when I was 8 with Ultima 2 and played EVERY. SINGLE. ONE. Ultima 9 comes out... and you think the last 20 minutes of ME3 are annoying, 15 hours of Ultima 9 was a chore to the level of trying to cut your leg off with a spoon.

And yeah, EA again.

Modifié par deimosmasque, 18 octobre 2012 - 07:33 .

[Biotic Sage]

FlamingBoy wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

This thing has been blown out of proportion by the fanbase. The EC was pretty good and addressed the lack of closure of the original endings. All in ME 3 is still a pretty awesome game.

*waits for some hater to tell how wrong they think I am*

Because people who disagree with you are, as you put it, "haters".

In this case yes.  People who disagree with his assertion that "ME3 is awesome" are by extension making the contrasting assertion that "ME3 is not awesome."  In other words, a "hater of ME3."  You seem to take offense to the term "hater," but you shouldn't approach the term with a negative connotation.  You are asserting your values when you hate on something.  I am proud to be a Twilight hater, and more generally a hater of everything that Twilight represents: the bastardization of literature and culture and the perpetuation of religious-driven views on suppressing human nature. 

So if you hate ME3, be proud to be a ME3 "hater!"  Wear the brand of "hater" like a badge of honor and stand up for your values.

Personally, I think ME3 was far from perfect, but to me (subjectively in other words) it was pretty close to perfect in all the areas that resonated most deeply with me:
- Emotionally engaging, cinematic narrative with believable characters (except Kai Leng  )
- Great sci-fi and philosophically challenging themes  http://social.biowar.../index/10761785
- Visceral real time combat grounded in traditional RPG mechanics, many different playstyle options
- Gives Shepard the hero's ending that he/she deserves and immortalizes him/her through sacrifice, meaning no future games can **** with his/her image, he/she is truly a legend.  Although I am still pissed about that "Shepard breathes" ending with Destroy, 1) how the hell did he survive and 2) way to ruin the hero's sacrifice

Modifié par Biotic Sage, 18 octobre 2012 - 09:16 .

[Necrotron]

First time I ever played a video game and then felt like someone had punched me in the gut afterwards.  And not in the good way, like I enjoyed the sadness of the story, but in the way where I felt someone vindictive had just killed a franchise and my character's story out of spite.

Never before had I experienced anything like that, and I've played a lot of games.

Modifié par Bathaius, 18 octobre 2012 - 09:22 .

[ElSuperGecko]

The endings are only bad if you don't (can't or won't) understand them.

[Icinix]

ElSuperGecko wrote...

The endings are only bad if you don't (can't or won't) understand them.

Hahahahahahahaha.





No.

[Falaxe]

Yes. In WoT they increased T-54:s heigh by 10cm after CB. Tank is like swiss cheese nowadays.

[ElSuperGecko]

Icinix wrote...
Hahahahahahahaha.  No.

Hahahahahahahaha





Yes.

[Shinnyshin]

Okay, this is going to sound like nitpicking, but...ME3 was far more of a disappointment/botched job than it was a disaster. The overall impact and damage isn't so huge that you could really call it a true disaster. A lot of people have compared it to the SW prequel trilogy, but I'd actually disagree on the grounds that the SW prequels never tried to hide what they were. They were produced for pure profit, mass appeal, and a younger fanbase...and the "mistakes" or "sloppy writing" were absolutely fine for what standard was set.

ME3, though, was a stunning display of incompetence in stark contrast to what the community was assured it was going to get.  Even after it arrived, Bioware/EA kept trying to sell a pitch that we knew wasn't true. It had good moments to be sure, which means that it wasn't an unmitigated disaster. But the problems, the huge massive glaring issues, are so, so, so, so, so, so, obvious. THAT'S why this game was a disappointment. Not because it had problems, but because it had problems that never should have popped up. And while many are blaming the fanbase for "blowing things out of proportion", m'thinks the developers (Bioware/EA) and mainstream reviewers are actually far more responsible for fanning the flames.

ME3 was objectively bad in many parts.  We're talking like...grammar mistakes in an essay bad.  It's just not defensible or debatable.  That alone doesn't make the game itself a disaster, but rather a disappointment and the trigger for a PR debacle.

Modifié par Shinnyshin, 18 octobre 2012 - 09:47 .

[Icinix]

ElSuperGecko wrote...

Icinix wrote...
Hahahahahahahaha.  No.

Hahahahahahahaha





Yes.

Hahahahahahahhaha.





No.

[Dean_the_Young]

StrawberryRainPop wrote...

I dont recall one that had such unanimous hate, and was so flawed that you couldnt ignore the evidence, if so, please state so below, without spoilers.

9-11 Truthers.

[Chardonney]

ElSuperGecko wrote...

The endings are only bad if you don't (can't or won't) understand them.

Nope.

[Humakt83]

New World Computing received death threats for their intent to put scifi-undead faction (Forge town) to Heroes of Might & Magic 3 as an expansion.

They actually changed the faction to elemental Conflux...........

Oh yeah, Heroes of Might & Magic 4 was also hated a lot even thought the game was actually very good and refreshing.

ElSuperGecko wrote...

The endings are only bad if you don't (can't or won't) understand them.

He is right. Ending is foreshadowed throughout the trilogy.

Modifié par Humakt83, 18 octobre 2012 - 11:42 .

[DeathWingKingUltimate]

Command and Conquer 4 Tiberium Twilight. Like the ME story it ended with the main villain and antagonist of the series becomes the messiah and his genocide of human race justified at the end. Endings would be fine if we had an option to destroy the catalyst and remove its existence, provide a satisfactory victory. after all sadness and sacrifice it was like nothing mattered.

[excelon]

Off the top of my head I'd have to say FF14.

[Dean_the_Young]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

Yeah because lack of closure was the only problem with the endings.

Never mind total destruction of the canon, reversal of the game's core themes, and a total failure to live up to promises...

Or, alternatively, a mass refusal to admit to canon, general misinterpretation of what the game's core themes were, and a great deal of over-projection on inherently subjective claims. We can turn a great deal of the responsibility on the jilted: afterall, players are quite capable (and in many cases inclined) towards self-destructive cycles to further their grievances with a game.

I will admit that ME3 was a good game--orgasmic in certain places--but its flaws tend to be really conspicuous.  I mean, even Miranda's ass wasn't as in-your-face as some of this stuff...

It was, you just didn't care as much about it.

Which is more than a valid point, but it's also a subjective one. I have and do make the case that Mass Effect 2 had far more pressing narrative flaws than ME3... but few people care, because they got a heroic high.

[Ratimir]

Star Trek Voyager doesn't have a fifteenth episode in season two. It just goes straight from fourteen to sixteen. Trust me.

[Mathias]

Take it from me because i've actually looked into this by reviewing a sort've history of the biggest s***storms in gaming. There have been worse attrocities commited by developers and publishers, case in point Ultima IX. Wheras the betrayal of ME3 came from it's ending, every element in Ultima IX was a betrayal to the fanbase. Another example would be the Silent Hill HD collection, where Konami knowingly and willingly released a broken game. The consumers demanded that Konami fix the game so that it would start playing properly, and when Konami announced a patch to fix everything, they cancelled it a few weeks later.

However. If we're gonna measure gaming disasters by the biggest fan outcry, then Mass Effect 3 does take the cake. I'm pretty confident that no other s***storm has trumped ME3's cataclysmic fall from grace. The widespread outrage that occured lasted for months. Tons of news media outlets covered this and even writers for shows and books even commented on how awful the ending was. Then there's the whole thing with the donations, cupcakes, and EA winning The Worst Company of the year award, which i'm sure wouldn't have happened if not for the ME3 debacle. The forums were ablaze with angry fans and even to this day, the ME3 section of the BSN has not recovered from, and probably never will. There will always be a level of sarcasm and mistrust from tons of forum users in regards to Bioware. Bioware's awful and insulting PR practices didn't help either.

If the fan reaction can be compared to anything, then it's similar to what happened with The Phantom Menace and Highlander II: The Quickening.

Modifié par Mdoggy1214, 18 octobre 2012 - 12:47 .

[Obadiah]

Uh... but ME3's ending isn't disaster.

Oh I see - this thread is for people that still don't like the ending, and think everyone (or the majority) agrees. Carry on.

[Raging_Pulse]

Yeah, ME3 s-storm was pretty big, especially right before the release date. Alongside ending outrage there was also a 500 page thread of rage about From Ashes being cut from the game and sold as DLC at day one.

Feels like ancient history now. I for one am glad that things are much cooler now by comparison.

[Dav3VsTh3World]

ElSuperGecko wrote...

The endings are only bad if you don't (can't or won't) understand them.

THIS, OH SO TRUE THIS

Icinix wrote...


Hahahahahahahaha.





No.

It's funny because you proved his point

[OhDihBot]

I would have to say the Star Wars prequels are the only thing that come to mind that had this much hype, and were such a disappointment, but at least they didn't kill the original trilogy in the process (although, personally I think the prequels were still decent movies -- Ep. III was actually pretty good) The ME3 ending killed the trilogy for me.

Oh! And SWTOR. That game was a MASSIVE letdown. The difference between the ME3 ending and TOR though, is that ME3 already had such a solid base. All Bioware had to do was create an ending that made sense and created a sense of closure and conclusion and it would have been a lock. MMOs are notoriously difficult to create, and TOR was certainly not the first, nor will it be the last, MMO to underwhelm.

[MegaSovereign]

The Extended Cut pretty much did what it promised anyway. It also retconned the relays being destroyed/fleet and normandy stranded/galactic dark age that Super Mac intended.

While it's not perfect, I wouldn't call it a disaster.

[H2Ape]

The war on terrorism.