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[Steelcan]

Mr.House wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

How was she annoying? Her home planet was being burned to the ground in front of her eyes? You would be acting the same if YOUR home was being destroyed by colossal machines from Dark Space.

. I don't recall seeing Shepard, Vega, VS, Garrus, or anybody else crying into their bed because their planets fell.  Maybe if she just wasn't so damn whiny about it it wouldn't be so bad, but that's all she does.  Grow some balls, or go back to the ship.  He'll, Javik's entire freakin species has been eradicated, what does he do? Grits his teeth and carries on, he doesn't become a wailing mess over it.

Funny how all your examples are soldiers, not civilians, which Liara is.

. She's the shadow broker, she has killed lots if people, LotSB makes it clear that she has changed

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

Steelcan wrote...

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

How was she annoying? Her home planet was being burned to the ground in front of her eyes? You would be acting the same if YOUR home was being destroyed by colossal machines from Dark Space.

. I don't recall seeing Shepard, Vega, VS, Garrus, or anybody else crying into their bed because their planets fell.  Maybe if she just wasn't so damn whiny about it it wouldn't be so bad, but that's all she does.  Grow some balls, or go back to the ship.  He'll, Javik's entire freakin species has Ben eradicated, what does he do? Grits his teeth and carries on, he doesn't be one a wailing mess over it.

Liara is a Doctor/Scientist, not a soldier, but still....even if the rest are soldiers, inside they are devastated about what is happening on Earth.

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 19 octobre 2012 - 12:35 .

[Steelcan]

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

How was she annoying? Her home planet was being burned to the ground in front of her eyes? You would be acting the same if YOUR home was being destroyed by colossal machines from Dark Space.

. I don't recall seeing Shepard, Vega, VS, Garrus, or anybody else crying into their bed because their planets fell.  Maybe if she just wasn't so damn whiny about it it wouldn't be so bad, but that's all she does.  Grow some balls, or go back to the ship.  He'll, Javik's entire freakin species has Ben eradicated, what does he do? Grits his teeth and carries on, he doesn't be one a wailing mess over it.

Liara is a Doctor/Scientist, not a soldier, but still....even if the rest are soldiers, inside they are devastated about what is happening on Earth.

. She is the shadow broker, responsibe for assasinations and murders, not to mention her killing people with Shepard.  But at the first sight of a reaperized Asari she becomes a shrivelling whelp

Modifié par Steelcan, 19 octobre 2012 - 12:37 .

[Mr.House]

Steelcan wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

How was she annoying? Her home planet was being burned to the ground in front of her eyes? You would be acting the same if YOUR home was being destroyed by colossal machines from Dark Space.

. I don't recall seeing Shepard, Vega, VS, Garrus, or anybody else crying into their bed because their planets fell.  Maybe if she just wasn't so damn whiny about it it wouldn't be so bad, but that's all she does.  Grow some balls, or go back to the ship.  He'll, Javik's entire freakin species has been eradicated, what does he do? Grits his teeth and carries on, he doesn't become a wailing mess over it.

Funny how all your examples are soldiers, not civilians, which Liara is.

. She's the shadow broker, she has killed lots if people, LotSB makes it clear that she has changed

Killing people does not make you soldier.

[Steelcan]

Mr.House wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

How was she annoying? Her home planet was being burned to the ground in front of her eyes? You would be acting the same if YOUR home was being destroyed by colossal machines from Dark Space.

. I don't recall seeing Shepard, Vega, VS, Garrus, or anybody else crying into their bed because their planets fell.  Maybe if she just wasn't so damn whiny about it it wouldn't be so bad, but that's all she does.  Grow some balls, or go back to the ship.  He'll, Javik's entire freakin species has been eradicated, what does he do? Grits his teeth and carries on, he doesn't become a wailing mess over it.

Funny how all your examples are soldiers, not civilians, which Liara is.

. She's the shadow broker, she has killed lots if people, LotSB makes it clear that she has changed

Killing people does not make you soldier.

. The point is that she doesn't bat an eye when killing people, on Mars she kills two Cerberus soldiers that have been chasing her almost nonchalantly, show her a banshee and she wets her suit

[Mr.House]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

I really liked the character in ME2 and at the start of ME3.

Liara's problem was that her character seemed to have had several people write her, and each had a different idea regarding dialogue, emotion, etc. I would have had her keep the LotSB personality during the war and what we saw on Mars. More focused and a hell of a lot less naive. But it was like she had multiple personalities.

WTF? Who is this person in this act? One time she's focused and ruthless. Another she's the ME1 Liara on Therum. I blame the writers. The writing was pretty bad. Her character deserved a lot better.

Hell, this entire game deserved a lot better writing.

Funny, I hated her in ME2 except for LOTSB and loved her in ME3 and I didn't see any issues except for her Citadel date if you are still loyal to her, osmething her writer has admitted. Hell of alot better then the crap the team pulled with her in base ME2.

[Mr.House]

Steelcan wrote...
The point is that she doesn't bat an eye when killing people, on Mars she kills two Cerberus soldiers that have been chasing her almost nonchalantly, show her a banshee and she wets her suit

Two humans trying to kill you is not the same as seeing one of your race being turned into a mindless monster.

[Steelcan]

SwobyJ wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...
How was she annoying? Her home planet was being burned to the ground in front of her eyes? You would be acting the same if YOUR home was being destroyed by colossal machines from Dark Space.

. I don't recall seeing Shepard, Vega, VS, Garrus, or anybody else crying into their bed because their planets fell.  Maybe if she just wasn't so damn whiny about it it wouldn't be so bad, but that's all she does.  Grow some balls, or go back to the ship.  He'll, Javik's entire freakin species has Ben eradicated, what does he do? Grits his teeth and carries on, he doesn't be one a wailing mess over it.

When Tali's species is threatened with extinction, she commits suicide.
When Legion's species is threatened with extinction, he goes crazy on you and attacks you.
When Ashley's species is threatened with extinction, she gets smashed and passes out on the floor.
We all have our own ways. Liara's is very 'good-hearted Asari'. Not everyone can bear it like Samara.
The Asari have the strength in being able to grow and expand a productive and artful civilization. Their weakness is seeing anything directly crack that carefully managed sculpture. In fact, most were in denial that anything could touch them, in the end.

. Legion I can understand same for Tali, but the entire Asari race is not on the edge right now.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

Despite the things that you must, whether you are a Soldier, Scientist, Information Broker, etc, you're not made of stone. You still feel deep emotions for your home caught in utter devastation.

[Asch Lavigne]

Steelcan wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

How was she annoying? Her home planet was being burned to the ground in front of her eyes? You would be acting the same if YOUR home was being destroyed by colossal machines from Dark Space.

. I don't recall seeing Shepard, Vega, VS, Garrus, or anybody else crying into their bed because their planets fell.  Maybe if she just wasn't so damn whiny about it it wouldn't be so bad, but that's all she does.  Grow some balls, or go back to the ship.  He'll, Javik's entire freakin species has been eradicated, what does he do? Grits his teeth and carries on, he doesn't become a wailing mess over it.

Funny how all your examples are soldiers, not civilians, which Liara is.

. She's the shadow broker, she has killed lots if people, LotSB makes it clear that she has changed

Killing people does not make you soldier.

. The point is that she doesn't bat an eye when killing people, on Mars she kills two Cerberus soldiers that have been chasing her almost nonchalantly, show her a banshee and she wets her suit

Exactly, killing Banshees is a no-no. Killing Canibals, Marauders, Collectors and Husks are ok. Also, I never heard a human say "I can't kill that Husk because that used to be another human!" Its not that Liara is upset, its that Liara acts like hers is the only planet under attack and only people being Reaperized.

[Steelcan]

Mr.House wrote...

Steelcan wrote...
The point is that she doesn't bat an eye when killing people, on Mars she kills two Cerberus soldiers that have been chasing her almost nonchalantly, show her a banshee and she wets her suit

Two humans trying to kill you is not the same as seeing one of your race being turned into a mindless monster.

. Rila, the ardat-yakshi is willing o blow the banshees to hell, she is not scared and she isn't even experienced in any form of combat

[Mr.House]

Asch Lavigne wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

How was she annoying? Her home planet was being burned to the ground in front of her eyes? You would be acting the same if YOUR home was being destroyed by colossal machines from Dark Space.

. I don't recall seeing Shepard, Vega, VS, Garrus, or anybody else crying into their bed because their planets fell.  Maybe if she just wasn't so damn whiny about it it wouldn't be so bad, but that's all she does.  Grow some balls, or go back to the ship.  He'll, Javik's entire freakin species has been eradicated, what does he do? Grits his teeth and carries on, he doesn't become a wailing mess over it.

Funny how all your examples are soldiers, not civilians, which Liara is.

. She's the shadow broker, she has killed lots if people, LotSB makes it clear that she has changed

Killing people does not make you soldier.

. The point is that she doesn't bat an eye when killing people, on Mars she kills two Cerberus soldiers that have been chasing her almost nonchalantly, show her a banshee and she wets her suit

Exactly, killing Banshees is a no-no. Killing Canibals, Marauders, Collectors and Husks are ok. Also, I never heard a human say "I can't kill that Husk because that used to be another human!" Its not that Liara is upset, its that Liara acts like hers is the only planet under attack and only people being Reaperized.

Liara killed those banshees just fine, don't know what you're talknig about.

[Steelcan]

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

Despite the things that you must, whether you are a Soldier, Scientist, Information Broker, etc, you're not made of stone. You still feel deep emotions for your home caught in utter devastation.

. But they suck it up and finish the mission.  They do not whine very time a reaperized version of their species crosses their path

[Mr.House]

Steelcan wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Steelcan wrote...
The point is that she doesn't bat an eye when killing people, on Mars she kills two Cerberus soldiers that have been chasing her almost nonchalantly, show her a banshee and she wets her suit

Two humans trying to kill you is not the same as seeing one of your race being turned into a mindless monster.

. Rila, the ardat-yakshi is willing o blow the banshees to hell, she is not scared and she isn't even experienced in any form of combat

Rila was already dead, she decided to make her death worth it, her sister however had to be restrained.Also you act like Liara goes in a ball and does nothing, she does not. She continues to fight.

[Steelcan]

Logan Cloud wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Logan Cloud wrote...
I can kinda see why someone would think that, but at the same time...
Well, I'm pretty sure no one here has ever witnessed billions of people being harvested, lasered, ripped to shreds, blown up, etc.
And as for the "Shepard saw that too" people lurking around in here, (and they always are) Shepard is a grown soldier. Liara is a barely mature scientist. There's a huge difference.

. Then she should know she can't handle it and she should to back to the ship, not annoy Shepard and the other squaddie the whole time

Shepard wasn't annoyed. Nor was the other squadmate. 
You're playing a game. For the characters, this is their life. No one is going to say "Stop being a wuss" while a planet is being destroyed in a matter of hours. 
Liara loves her home planet, and she wanted to take part in defending it. No one would blame her. Nor would anyone blame her for how she reacted when she got there. 
Again, to you, it's a game. To the characters, it's really happening. If you were really that much of a douchebag in a situation like this in my presence, you'd be on your own, 'cause I sure as hell wouldn't tolerate it. 

. Javik tells her to grow a set, Garrus tells her to stay focused. Shepard tells her to keep moving.  My Main point is that we didn't have the option to tell her to suck it up and soldier on

[MACharlie1]

Steelcan wrote...

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

Despite the things that you must, whether you are a Soldier, Scientist, Information Broker, etc, you're not made of stone. You still feel deep emotions for your home caught in utter devastation.

. But they suck it up and finish the mission.  They do not whine very time a reaperized version of their species crosses their path

Should also mention that, according to ME2, it is totally in character for Liara to turn to stone when things go wrong. 

[Steelcan]

Mr.House wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Steelcan wrote...
The point is that she doesn't bat an eye when killing people, on Mars she kills two Cerberus soldiers that have been chasing her almost nonchalantly, show her a banshee and she wets her suit

Two humans trying to kill you is not the same as seeing one of your race being turned into a mindless monster.

. Rila, the ardat-yakshi is willing o blow the banshees to hell, she is not scared and she isn't even experienced in any form of combat

Rila was already dead, she decided to make her death worth it, her sister however had to be restrained.Also you act like Liara goes in a ball and does nothing, she does not. She continues to fight.

. After Thessia she was on her bed sobbing Bout not being able to do anything.  After she yells at Javik for telling her the truth

[MACharlie1]

Steelcan wrote...

Logan Cloud wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Logan Cloud wrote...
I can kinda see why someone would think that, but at the same time...
Well, I'm pretty sure no one here has ever witnessed billions of people being harvested, lasered, ripped to shreds, blown up, etc.
And as for the "Shepard saw that too" people lurking around in here, (and they always are) Shepard is a grown soldier. Liara is a barely mature scientist. There's a huge difference.

. Then she should know she can't handle it and she should to back to the ship, not annoy Shepard and the other squaddie the whole time

Shepard wasn't annoyed. Nor was the other squadmate. 
You're playing a game. For the characters, this is their life. No one is going to say "Stop being a wuss" while a planet is being destroyed in a matter of hours. 
Liara loves her home planet, and she wanted to take part in defending it. No one would blame her. Nor would anyone blame her for how she reacted when she got there. 
Again, to you, it's a game. To the characters, it's really happening. If you were really that much of a douchebag in a situation like this in my presence, you'd be on your own, 'cause I sure as hell wouldn't tolerate it. 

. Javik tells her to grow a set, Garrus tells her to stay focused. Shepard tells her to keep moving.  My Main point is that we didn't have the option to tell her to suck it up and soldier on

FURTHERMORE, you have all the other squaddies after the mission being "Aw, poor Liara. It must be tough..."

P.S. This reeks of Mary-Sue characterization. The script for the Mars mission when Liara enters is practically the blueprint for Mary Sues...

Modifié par MACharlie1, 19 octobre 2012 - 12:46 .

[David7204]

I think it's pretty clear this isn't going anywhere.