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[Steelcan]

Barquiel wrote...

Falaxe wrote...

Close, but not enough. Many kind of harms would`ve been avoided if she would have realized that reapers built them.

probably...

But Liara isn't the only archaeologist in the galaxy. I think it's save to assume that the council races have been picking apart everything the protheans for centuries. ..and Liara was closer to the truth than everyone else. Calling her a bad
archaeologist isn't very fair, I think.

. Is she a bad archaeologist? No, she seems reasonably competent. Is she a bad shadow broker? Yes

[Barquiel]

Yes, I'm sure Miranda would have done a much better job...with her vast knowledge about the protheans, a destroyed homebase and all those indoctrinated/killed agents.

[o Ventus]

Barquiel wrote...

Yes, I'm sure Miranda would have done a much better job...with her vast knowledge about the protheans, a destroyed homebase and all those indoctrinated/killed agents.

... Where did Miranda come from in this?

Never mind that one wouldn't necessarily need an expansive skillset to be an efficient Shadow Broker. 

You don't need to be a master craftsman or an MIT graduate to be able to look at a computer screen and say "hey guys, this is happening over here".

[Barquiel]

That was my point. The Shadow Broker relies on agents...and those agents don't report back if they're indoctrinated or killed (for example on Horizon). That has nothing to do with being a good or bad Shadow Broker. Liara barely had about 6 months of being the Shadow Broker before Cerberus attacked her, and was concentrating on dissecting and gathering data on the Crucible.

[SNascimento]

Barquiel wrote...

That was my point. The Shadow Broker relies on agents...and those agents don't report back if they're indoctrinated or killed (for example on Horizon). That has nothing to do with being a good or bad Shadow Broker. Liara barely had about 6 months of being the Shadow Broker before Cerberus attacked her, and was concentrating on dissecting and gathering data on the Crucible.

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Nah, that is just excuses. 
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But the main problem with Liara, is that she isn't the Shadow Broker, not really. She just took his assets and start using to her own goal. The Shadow Broker doesn't pick sides, something that Liara clearly did. She is just an asset of the Alliance/Shepard. 

[Gulaman]

Liara is emotionally very weak. She still hankers after her psycho mother who tried to kill her after all. She's very immature too, which is expected because she's still very young in Asari years. Her behaviour on Thessia was exactly how a child would react and she is very much a child in many aspects.

[Baihu1983]

Started with 2 by making it you play it how they wanted you to rather than saying here's the gaming world go out and have fun.

[dublin omega 223]

xMellowhype wrote...

Liara's quite an overrated character to begin with.

Gotta agree, the only character I don't like more then Liara in the ME series was the racist Ashley.

[Steelcan]

dublin omega 223 wrote...

xMellowhype wrote...

Liara's quite an overrated character to begin with.

Gotta agree, the only character I don't like more then Liara in the ME series was the racist Ashley.

. Vega?

[Steelcan]

Barquiel wrote...

Yes, I'm sure Miranda would have done a much better job...with her vast knowledge about the protheans, a destroyed homebase and all those indoctrinated/killed agents.

. I never mentioned Miranda, now that you mention it though:P  but she is seriously just bad at gathering information.

[dublin omega 223]

Steelcan wrote...

dublin omega 223 wrote...

xMellowhype wrote...

Liara's quite an overrated character to begin with.

Gotta agree, the only character I don't like more then Liara in the ME series was the racist Ashley.

. Vega?

I liked Vega better than Ashley and Liara. Same with other characters like Kaidan and Jacob. Some might have not liked those characters, but I did.

[Steelcan]

dublin omega 223 wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

dublin omega 223 wrote...

xMellowhype wrote...

Liara's quite an overrated character to begin with.

Gotta agree, the only character I don't like more then Liara in the ME series was the racist Ashley.

. Vega?

I liked Vega better than Ashley and Liara. Same with other characters like Kaidan and Jacob. Some might have not liked those characters, but I did.

. I like Kaidan, Ashley and Liara, not so much.  Well I was fine with Liara until ME3.  Jacob, I don't like or not like him, he's just there for me

[robertthebard]

Tali-vas-normandy wrote...

I find Liara annoying the intire time, she did not give a rats butt about the other worlds falling to bits, and she never mentioned anything about how much she missed or liked Thessia before hand, so Im like right so now you're worried about you're home world after three games

When in doubt, misinformation is better than information?  Did you answer her email and meet her on the Citadel?  It's funny, that whole conversation revolves around where she grew up, and her mother.  I'm not her biggest fan, nor do I hate her, but at least stick to legitimate arguements when running her down.

[Barquiel]

dublin omega 223 wrote...

xMellowhype wrote...

Liara's quite an overrated character to begin with.

Gotta agree, the only character I don't like more then Liara in the ME series was the racist Ashley.

Calling Liara overrated is nothing but jealousy. It's ok if you don't like her, but do you really want to tell my that you don't see any reason for people to like her?

[Steelcan]

Barquiel wrote...

dublin omega 223 wrote...

xMellowhype wrote...

Liara's quite an overrated character to begin with.

Gotta agree, the only character I don't like more then Liara in the ME series was the racist Ashley.

Calling Liara overrated is nothing but jealousy. It's ok if you don't like her, but do you really want to tell my that you don't see any reason for people to like her?

. For me, yes. There is only one reason for anyone to like Liara, and it has nothing to do with her personality.

[Foxhound2121]

o Ventus wrote...

Foxhound2121 wrote...

No, I wouldn't consider that unfair.

A real injustice would be imprudent screentime for elements that don't hit their maximum target market just for the sake of being fair.

Of course you wouldn't, the character that you're a fan of is getting the majority of the alloted screentime. Which was my point.

Regardless, with how unsubstantial Liara's role really is (and how little she actually does in the game), she has far too much screentime.

Unfortunately for you, every product in every industry is marketed that way. Regardless of your diatribes about her, a character that has been in all three games versus another that is been in one game is anything but unsubstantial.

[SNascimento]

Steelcan wrote...

Barquiel wrote...

dublin omega 223 wrote...

xMellowhype wrote...

Liara's quite an overrated character to begin with.

Gotta agree, the only character I don't like more then Liara in the ME series was the racist Ashley.

Calling Liara overrated is nothing but jealousy. It's ok if you don't like her, but do you really want to tell my that you don't see any reason for people to like her?

. For me, yes. There is only one reason for anyone to like Liara, and it has nothing to do with her personality.

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One thing that I find interesting is how many people who play as femshep romanced Liara (as indicated by the blue babies thread). I have no idea what, but this must means something. 

[o Ventus]

Foxhound2121 wrote...

Unfortunately for you, every product in every industry is marketed that way. 

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No it isn't. Have you never heard of an ensemble cast?

[Taboo]

Liara is more expressive. Miranda is not.

Both love Shepard very much.

[Steelcan]

Taboo-XX wrote...

Liara is more expressive. Miranda is not.

Both love Shepard very much.

. Bingo

[MACharlie1]

Foxhound2121 wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

Foxhound2121 wrote...

No, I wouldn't consider that unfair.

A real injustice would be imprudent screentime for elements that don't hit their maximum target market just for the sake of being fair.

Of course you wouldn't, the character that you're a fan of is getting the majority of the alloted screentime. Which was my point.

Regardless, with how unsubstantial Liara's role really is (and how little she actually does in the game), she has far too much screentime.

Unfortunately for you, every product in every industry is marketed that way. Regardless of your diatribes about her, a character that has been in all three games versus another that is been in one game is anything but unsubstantial.

Thing is that she was built up in ME2 (and is consistently said in ME3) to have a substantial role as the Shadow Broker. I don't know about anyone else, I was expecting her to be this information queen and would be providing missions and resources. I know I know - that's what shes doing. But the problem is seeing it and hearing it. When we see it, it registers in our mind that she's doing something. When we're merely hearing it, I'm a little skeptical. It was extremely poor story telling. That's a benchmark rule of writing: show don't tell. Liara broke this rule throughout ME3 and at the same time recieved much characterization in a Mary Sue sort of way. If she ONLY had a scene with Javik (which was a highlight for me and keeps consistency with her ME2 characterization - only wish they had the Shadow Broker theme playing in this scene) then I don't think I personally would be moaning as much but we also got Ashley, Tali, Kaidan, Garrus - everyone going "Awwwwwwwww". 

It also doesn't help that I read the production notes for the Mars sequence and Liara is totally written as a Mary Sue. Vega is entranced by the beautiful Asari. Liara notices and doesn't care." 

[darthoptimus003]

yeah i really wanted to cap her after we landed she just wouldnt shut up damn she acted like her world was the only world that was under attack

[darthoptimus003]

SNascimento wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Barquiel wrote...

dublin omega 223 wrote...

xMellowhype wrote...

Liara's quite an overrated character to begin with.

Gotta agree, the only character I don't like more then Liara in the ME series was the racist Ashley.

Calling Liara overrated is nothing but jealousy. It's ok if you don't like her, but do you really want to tell my that you don't see any reason for people to like her?

. For me, yes. There is only one reason for anyone to like Liara, and it has nothing to do with her personality.

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One thing that I find interesting is how many people who play as femshep romanced Liara (as indicated by the blue babies thread). I have no idea what, but this must means something. 

because some would have romanced ash if they could to bad we were ristricted on that not and only had liara 

[Foxhound2121]

o Ventus wrote...

Foxhound2121 wrote...

Unfortunately for you, every product in every industry is marketed that way. 

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No it isn't. Have you never heard of an ensemble cast?

Even with an ensemble cast, the show is designed to hit a target market. In a game with VO's and sucide missions, Mass effect in its current form is as close to ensemble as you'll ever get.

[Foxhound2121]

MACharlie1 wrote...


Thing is that she was built up in ME2 (and is consistently said in ME3) to have a substantial role as the Shadow Broker. I don't know about anyone else, I was expecting her to be this information queen and would be providing missions and resources. I know I know - that's what shes doing. But the problem is seeing it and hearing it. When we see it, it registers in our mind that she's doing something. When we're merely hearing it, I'm a little skeptical. It was extremely poor story telling. That's a benchmark rule of writing: show don't tell. Liara broke this rule throughout ME3 and at the same time recieved much characterization in a Mary Sue sort of way. If she ONLY had a scene with Javik (which was a highlight for me and keeps consistency with her ME2 characterization - only wish they had the Shadow Broker theme playing in this scene) then I don't think I personally would be moaning as much but we also got Ashley, Tali, Kaidan, Garrus - everyone going "Awwwwwwwww". 

It also doesn't help that I read the production notes for the Mars sequence and Liara is totally written as a Mary Sue. Vega is entranced by the beautiful Asari. Liara notices and doesn't care." 

There is a lot of things that could have been done better if given more time, disc space, and money. Liara isn't the only one, and wouldn't be my first choice.

Modifié par Foxhound2121, 21 octobre 2012 - 01:20 .