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[BonFire5]

JeffZero wrote...

Hey now. That's her home down there.

She was born on Thessia, you know.

Where was Anderson born?

[Hey]

BonFire5 wrote...

JeffZero wrote...

Hey now. That's her home down there.

She was born on Thessia, you know.

Where was Anderson born?

His voice was born in Harlem

[BonFire5]

Festae9 wrote...

BonFire5 wrote...

Where was Anderson born?

His voice was born in Harlem

Explains why I expect his voice wouldn't be out of place in a Colt Malt Liqour add.

[jpraelster93]

Liara is always awful

[Hey]

BonFire5 wrote...

Festae9 wrote...

BonFire5 wrote...

Where was Anderson born?

His voice was born in Harlem

Explains why I expect his voice wouldn't be out of place in a Colt Malt Liqour add.

damn...

do they still sell Colt 45s?... 

[JPN17]

SNascimento wrote...

 I was replaying the mission just now and damn, having that Asari with me is really irritating. The whole mission she is whinning like this:
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Oh my goddess, my planet is burning!
Oh my goddess, my people are dying!
Oh my goddess, my city is being destroyed!
Oh my goddess, the reapers are evil!
Oh my goddess, my government lied!
Oh my goddess, my past is false!
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And on top of all this, TIM humiliates her throwing in her face how bad a Shadow Broker she is. This makes my Shepard feels bad. Not to mention maybe if I had two soldiers in my team, I could've stopped Kai Leng.
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And what is the point in all this? This is not a problem.  It's not. This response totally matches Liara's personality, at least from the first game. So, what am I complaining about? The lack of the choice of not bringing her to that particular mission. I wish my Shepard could just say:
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Actually, the point really is that there are multiple times in ME3 that I wished my Shepard could do something that he can't. I saw a topic earlier about someone saying how he wished he could agree with some Joker's joke, like in the first game. This is another example.
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I think ME's team lost a little the balance between giving you freedom and auto-dialogue. The latter is not bad by itself, for the most time it's ok. But there are key points where ME3 feels like it's restraining your Shepard from being your own. 

Poor Liara. If only you had focused those two years after Shepard died on the reapers instead of getting back at the Shadow Broker for capturing someone who betrayed you, maybe Thessia could have been more prepared or perhaps the galaxy could have been in a position to stop the reapers before they ever arrived. Oops, oh well.

[BonFire5]

Festae9 wrote...

damn...

do they still sell Colt 45s?... 

I think so. Snoop Dogg advertised it in 2011 I believe.

[Dean_the_Young]

Liara is one of the few characters in ME3 I feel we couldn't go Renegade enough on.

What really gets me is the well-intentioned but ignorant sympathy attempts that appeal to understanding. All the 'I know what you must be feeling', or 'I share your feelings'... and then Thessia, which really shows that she didn't, and the Banshees. Suddenly she has trouble shooting Asari-husks, but never made an issue out of the legions of Human husks the rest of us have dealt with? Add on it her presumption of taking the responsibility of the fall of Thessia...

I don't have a problem with her being selfish and more than a little ego-centric in her well-meaning attempts at extending sympathy as much as I'm annoyed we can't call her out on it. Post-Thessia would have been a prime time for a motivational 'you think you have it bad? Shape up like everyone else' talks.

[MB957]

my shep just wants to hold her...tenderly...make everything alright...

[Karrie788]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Liara is one of the few characters in ME3 I feel we couldn't go Renegade enough on.

What really gets me is the well-intentioned but ignorant sympathy attempts that appeal to understanding. All the 'I know what you must be feeling', or 'I share your feelings'... and then Thessia, which really shows that she didn't, and the Banshees. Suddenly she has trouble shooting Asari-husks, but never made an issue out of the legions of Human husks the rest of us have dealt with? Add on it her presumption of taking the responsibility of the fall of Thessia...

I don't have a problem with her being selfish and more than a little ego-centric in her well-meaning attempts at extending sympathy as much as I'm annoyed we can't call her out on it. Post-Thessia would have been a prime time for a motivational 'you think you have it bad? Shape up like everyone else' talks.

I don't hate Liara (don't really like her either), but I agree with this. Some Shepards (including my main one) have to act very out of character during and after the Thessia mission, in regards to how they talk to Liara as well. It's a problem that applies to the whole game, but it's painfully obvious at that point.

[Barquiel]

That would be pretty hypocritical of Shepard.

Shepard spends the entire game moping about Earth and tries to convince everyone that retaking earth is much more important than defending Thessia, Palaven, etc.

Modifié par Barquiel, 18 octobre 2012 - 01:08 .

[Podge 90]

MegaSovereign wrote...

She's not a soldier, she's a scientist/information broker. You guys are trying to put characteristics that only a hardened soldier would realistically have. 

Agreed.  But then all the more reason to leave her on the Normandy and take somebody else.  Liara having a period during a very important mission could jeopardise it.

[Dean_the_Young]

Barquiel wrote...

That would be pretty hypocritical of Shepard.

Shepard spends the entire game moping about Earth and tries to convince everyone that retaking earth is much more important than defending Thessia, Palaven, etc.

If by 'moping' you mean 'we need to push forward and fix this.' By that definition, Liara wasn't moping, she was doing something else. The hypocrisy meter isn't pinging yet.

Shepard wouldn't be blaming Liara for caring about her planet. Shepard would be calling Liara out for how she is going on about her planet, which is not the same way any of the other characters on the Normandy do.

[Xilizhra]

EnvyTB075 wrote...

The point is Garrus wasn't entirely teary eyed on Menae, Wrex was more interested in Killing the Reaper on Tuchanka (same with Tali), yet "super badass shadow broker" Liara is the only one who has a mental breakdown?

And why does Shepard care so much? This **** is happening all over the Galaxy, yet apparently Thessia is the planet to save?

Railroading in Mass Effect is bad.

Garrus is a soldier, and turians are very accepting of casualties so long as they win, it's part of their cultural ethos. Krogan do the same thing, but even moreso, and Tuchanka wasn't even badly hurt; there was only one Reaper. Liara, on the other hand, is an asari, who really don't like war at all and have a very small portion of their population in active military duty; culturally, they're far more removed from war and its effects, so it would naturally come as a far larger shock even for Liara.

And trying to "call Liara out" on this would be stupid, counterproductive, and one of those things that'd possibly lose loyalty if it was done in ME2. I, at least, hope that it would.

Modifié par Xilizhra, 18 octobre 2012 - 01:41 .

[10K]

Liara is annoying peiod, not just on Thessia.

[The Night Mammoth]

Thessia is the only other part of the game I don't like. This is one reason, Leng is another, and not being able to go ape-**** at Tevos for hiding the beacon is a third.

[spirosz]

xMellowhype wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

Liara caring about her home planet which, unlike Shepard, she actually grew up in?

SHE IS SOO ANNOYING.

Garrus cares about Palaven.  Did he complain for one second? Did Wrex? Or Tali? Hell even Joker mentions his family being surrounded by Reapers and he doens't even let his frustrations and sadness be let known for more than 15 seconds.

What's she expecting?  That Thessia isn't going to burn like Earth, Sur'Kesh, Palaven or Tuchanka?

 

Uh... people respond to similar events in different ways, not everyone can be "hard" as Wrex or make Jokes to light up the mood like Joker.

Would I of preferred to agree with Joker's joke, yes because I RP'd my Shepard as a sarcastic/funny dude, but hey - auto-dialogue is da best tbh. 

[Barquiel]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Shepard wouldn't be blaming Liara for caring about her planet. Shepard would be calling Liara out for how she is going on about her planet, which is not the same way any of the other characters on the Normandy do.

Garrus had a lot more time to adjust before we meet him. Liara had her "breakdown" immediately after the mission...after that she's fine.

Rannoch had two outcomes: Tali gets or homeworld back (no reason to complain), or she jumps off a cliff.

Shepard's forced earth focus is much worse than Liara's Thessia focus. Shep expects that the other races divert resources away from their own homeworlds in an attempt to retake Earth despite the fact that Earth has no military or strategic significance that should have placed it at the highest priority.

It's save to assume that Vega or the VS also care more about Earth than they care about Thessia, they just react differently witnessing the catastrophe (Ashely gets drunk, Vega wants to stay and fight, etc.)

I'm fine with Liara's reaction to the loss of Thessia, it's natural and in character...but I still really wish that my Shep could comfort her after the mission;)

Modifié par Barquiel, 18 octobre 2012 - 01:51 .

[spirosz]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Liara is one of the few characters in ME3 I feel we couldn't go Renegade enough on.

What really gets me is the well-intentioned but ignorant sympathy attempts that appeal to understanding. All the 'I know what you must be feeling', or 'I share your feelings'... and then Thessia, which really shows that she didn't, and the Banshees. Suddenly she has trouble shooting Asari-husks, but never made an issue out of the legions of Human husks the rest of us have dealt with? Add on it her presumption of taking the responsibility of the fall of Thessia...

I don't have a problem with her being selfish and more than a little ego-centric in her well-meaning attempts at extending sympathy as much as I'm annoyed we can't call her out on it. Post-Thessia would have been a prime time for a motivational 'you think you have it bad? Shape up like everyone else' talks.

Good point, though I did like picking Javik's side.  One of the times I was like "ha!"

[shepskisaac]

Liara caring about Thessia is not a problem. It's a problem how suddenly everyone has to comfort her and how big of a deal Bioware made it compared to everyone else. NO ONE is comforting Ash/Kaidan/Vega/Steve/Sam/Joker about Earth, constantly talking how sad it is etc. Few people make a short "I'm sorry about Earth Shep" and that's it. That's why it feels so forced, especially Shepard's railroaded flip out at Joker.

Modifié par IsaacShep, 18 octobre 2012 - 01:52 .

[Xilizhra]

Would I of preferred to agree with Joker's joke, yes because I RP'd my Shepard as a sarcastic/funny dude, but hey - auto-dialogue is da best tbh.

I wanted to Renegade interrupt Joker there.

Liara caring about Thessia is
not a problem. It's a problem how suddenly everyone has to comfort her
and how big of a deal Bioware made it compared to everyone else. NO ONE
is comforting Ash/Kaidan/Vega/Steve/Sam/Joker about Earth, constantly
talking how sad it is etc. Few people make a short "I'm sorry about
Earth Shep" and that's it. That's why it feels so forced, especially
Shepard's railroaded flip out at Joker.

Earth isn't fresh; that issue happens at the beginning of the game, and the aftermath of it passes fairly quickly. And I wish we could have gone after Joker somewhat harder.

Modifié par Xilizhra, 18 octobre 2012 - 01:54 .

[spirosz]

Xilizhra wrote...

Would I of preferred to agree with Joker's joke, yes because I RP'd my Shepard as a sarcastic/funny dude, but hey - auto-dialogue is da best tbh.

I wanted to Renegade interrupt Joker there.

So we agree, auto-dialogue is da best for everyone!

[Xilizhra]

spirosz wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Would I of preferred to agree with Joker's joke, yes because I RP'd my Shepard as a sarcastic/funny dude, but hey - auto-dialogue is da best tbh.

I wanted to Renegade interrupt Joker there.

So we agree, auto-dialogue is da best for everyone!

I was able to tolerate it. It may have worked out better in the end.

[ManOfSteel]

Liara's reactions on Thessia didn't annoy me for the most part, seeing as she isn't a trained soldier. The only line that grates on me is "Next time we go to war, perhaps the Alliance could spring for air support!" 

Excuse me dear, our planet was one of the first to get worked over. Perhaps the Asari should have done something sooner.

Modifié par DoomHK, 18 octobre 2012 - 02:03 .