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[Xilizhra]

DoomHK wrote...

 Liara didn't annoy me for the most part. The only line that grates on me is "Next time we go to war, perhaps the Alliance could spring for air support!" 

Excuse me dear, our planet was one of the first to get worked over. Perhaps the Asari should have done something sooner.

The asari did far more than the salarians, and at least in my playthrough, wound up doing more than the turians and quarians as well. Outstripped only by the humans (and the entire Alliance was committed to the Crucible), krogan and geth.

[shepskisaac]

Xilizhra wrote...

Earth isn't fresh

So? I didn't see any "omg go talk to Vega ha must be so sad after what happened on Earth" after it happened

Xilizhra wrote...

 And I wish we could have gone after Joker somewhat harder.

Me too and I also wish we could have NOT gone after him at all. Railroading Shep into such defined emotional outbursts is just stupid. Autodialogue sucks, 'more defined' Shepard sucks. If Bioware wanted more autodialogued and defined character, they should've waited till ME4 and new hero. Not do it with Shep who was not autodialogued & defined like that for 2 games already.

[Xilizhra]

So? I didn't see any "omg go talk to Vega ha must be so sad after what happened on Earth" after it happened

James is rather manic and possibly something of a death seeker after the Earth incident, and you get a chance to bring this up in the "dance" scene. I doubt he'd respond well to "comfort" anyway; too macho.

Me too and I also wish we could have NOT gone after him at all. Railroading Shep into such defined emotional outbursts is just stupid. Autodialogue sucks, 'more defined' Shepard sucks. If Bioware wanted more autodialogued and defined character, they should've waited till ME4 and new hero. Not do it with Shep who was not autodialogued & defined like that for 2 games already.

Well... if the alternative is Shepard the brick, I have to wonder how bad it all is.

[Spectre Impersonator]

 Thessia should have been another Virmire but it ended up being a rushed mess that's really hard to give a damn about. I'm guessing they didn't let Patrick Weekes write it.

[shepskisaac]

Xilizhra wrote...

Well... if the alternative is Shepard the brick, I have to wonder how bad it all is.

But in previous games it was your choice to make him the brick. You also had a choice to make him emotional. Now you're railroaded. Great that it suited you in this case, chances are high railroading didn't suit you in other cases.

Modifié par IsaacShep, 18 octobre 2012 - 02:03 .

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

JohnShepard12 wrote...

 Thessia should have been another Virmire but it ended up being a rushed mess that's really hard to give a damn about. I'm guessing they didn't let Patrick Weekes write it.

Actually, the guy who wrote the Thessia mission is the same guy who wrote the Tuchanka mission (you, the good one).

[Xilizhra]

IsaacShep wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Well... if the alternative is Shepard the brick, I have to wonder how bad it all is.

But in previous games it was your choice to make him the brick. You also had a choice to make him emotional. Now you're railroaded. Great that it suited you in this case, chances are high railroading didn't suit you in other cases.

I never once had a problem with "railroading" in this game, with the exception that I never got to worry about Mindoir, or even learn where the place was.

[shepskisaac]

Xilizhra wrote...

I never once had a problem with "railroading" in this game

But others did because it conflicted with how they established their Sheps in ME1 & ME2.

[clennon8]

How petty and spiteful do you have to be to begrudge bringing Liara along to her home planet when it's being invaded? Sometimes you people truly are ridiculous.

That's right. I'm defending Bioware for once.

Modifié par clennon8, 18 octobre 2012 - 02:31 .

[Barquiel]

JohnShepard12 wrote...

 Thessia should have been another Virmire but it ended up being a rushed mess that's really hard to give a damn about. I'm guessing they didn't let Patrick Weekes write it.

As far as I know, John Dombrow wrote it. And I agree, the mission is really horrible...it's short and totally linear, the story doesn't make much sense, we have Kai Leng...

[Spectre Impersonator]

Barquiel wrote...

JohnShepard12 wrote...

 Thessia should have been another Virmire but it ended up being a rushed mess that's really hard to give a damn about. I'm guessing they didn't let Patrick Weekes write it.

As far as I know, John Dombrow wrote it. And I agree, the mission is really horrible...it's short and totally linear, the story doesn't make much sense, we have Kai Leng...

 

Remember that video about dynamic choice that came out before release that showed Shepard picking one choice and not getting asari support? Well for some reason, they completely eliminated that option and forced the asari to die for you when you don't even need their useless gunship.

[spirosz]

Xilizhra wrote...

I never once had a problem with "railroading" in this game, with the exception that I never got to worry about Mindoir, or even learn where the place was.

And that's the problem - you don't, many do.  A lot of the stuff was in favor of the Asari or what you personally wanted, which is fine, but don't expect everyone to be in the same boat.

[Barquiel]

JohnShepard12 wrote...

Barquiel wrote...

JohnShepard12 wrote...

 Thessia should have been another Virmire but it ended up being a rushed mess that's really hard to give a damn about. I'm guessing they didn't let Patrick Weekes write it.

As far as I know, John Dombrow wrote it. And I agree, the mission is really horrible...it's short and totally linear, the story doesn't make much sense, we have Kai Leng...

 

Remember that video about dynamic choice that came out before release that showed Shepard picking one choice and not getting asari support? Well for some reason, they completely eliminated that option and forced the asari to die for you when you don't even need their useless gunship.

Yes...I remember.  I even reloaded a couple times, seeing if there was anything I could do to save Talon 5

[Spectre Impersonator]

Barquiel wrote...

JohnShepard12 wrote...

Barquiel wrote...

JohnShepard12 wrote...

 Thessia should have been another Virmire but it ended up being a rushed mess that's really hard to give a damn about. I'm guessing they didn't let Patrick Weekes write it.

As far as I know, John Dombrow wrote it. And I agree, the mission is really horrible...it's short and totally linear, the story doesn't make much sense, we have Kai Leng...

 

Remember that video about dynamic choice that came out before release that showed Shepard picking one choice and not getting asari support? Well for some reason, they completely eliminated that option and forced the asari to die for you when you don't even need their useless gunship.

Yes...I remember.  I even reloaded a couple times, seeing if there was anything I could do to save Talon 5

I am eternally pissed off by that robbery of choice. We were allowed to tell Kal Reegar to take cover but not tell a whole squad of asari to get to safety.

[xxskyshadowxx]

MegaSovereign wrote...

Liara caring about her home planet which, unlike Shepard, she actually grew up in?

SHE IS SOO ANNOYING.

I agree. People forget that Liara isn't a soldier; she's a civilian. Her reactions are pretty realistic. But I also agree with the OP, there should have been an option for Shepard to just not allow her to be on the Squad when they head down...to try and shield her from seeing those things that horrify her to begin with, because she's a civilian.

But folks forget, everyone's Shepard died in ME2....everyone is playing Mac's Shepard now.

Modifié par xxskyshadowxx, 18 octobre 2012 - 02:16 .

[SNascimento]

DoomHK wrote...

Liara's reactions on Thessia didn't annoy me for the most part, seeing as she isn't a trained soldier. The only line that grates on me is "Next time we go to war, perhaps the Alliance could spring for air support!" 

Excuse me dear, our planet was one of the first to get worked over. Perhaps the Asari should have done something sooner.

.
Oh yeah, how could I forget this? I wish I could slap her so hard and say: "The Alliance is fraking spear heading this war while your race sits back and hide critical intel. Shut the frak up and pull yourself together!". 
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I miss those great renagade interrupts from ME2. 

[Spectre Impersonator]

SNascimento wrote...

DoomHK wrote...

Liara's reactions on Thessia didn't annoy me for the most part, seeing as she isn't a trained soldier. The only line that grates on me is "Next time we go to war, perhaps the Alliance could spring for air support!" 

Excuse me dear, our planet was one of the first to get worked over. Perhaps the Asari should have done something sooner.

.
Oh yeah, how could I forget this? I wish I could slap her so hard and say: "The Alliance is fraking spear heading this war while your race sits back and hide critical intel. Shut the frak up and pull yourself together!". 
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I miss those great renagade interrupts from ME2. 

This would have given me great joy. How can it not be what every player is thinking in response to a thoughtless line like that?

[Podge 90]

JohnShepard12 wrote...

SNascimento wrote...

DoomHK wrote...

Liara's reactions on Thessia didn't annoy me for the most part, seeing as she isn't a trained soldier. The only line that grates on me is "Next time we go to war, perhaps the Alliance could spring for air support!" 

Excuse me dear, our planet was one of the first to get worked over. Perhaps the Asari should have done something sooner.

.
Oh yeah, how could I forget this? I wish I could slap her so hard and say: "The Alliance is fraking spear heading this war while your race sits back and hide critical intel. Shut the frak up and pull yourself together!". 
.
I miss those great renagade interrupts from ME2. 

This would have given me great joy. How can it not be what every player is thinking in response to a thoughtless line like that?

Because Bioware loves Liara and thought everyone else does too.

[The Night Mammoth]

xxskyshadowxx wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

Liara caring about her home planet which, unlike Shepard, she actually grew up in?

SHE IS SOO ANNOYING.

I agree. People forget that Liara isn't a soldier; she's a civilian. Her reactions are pretty realistic. But I also agree with the OP, there should have been an option for Shepard to just not allow her to be on the Squad when they head down...to try and shield her from seeing those things that horrify her to begin with, because she's a civilian.

She's not a soldier, true, but she is the Shadow Broker, and part of Shepard's team, she's not the naive scientist you pull off of Therum anymore. 

I don't necessarily mind the reaction on a basic level, but I think they went a little overboard and maybe took the wrong path a little. 

Instead of just having her crack like that, they could have dialed it back to have her cracking, and trying to cope with the fact that despite being hardened against this la shi having a more direct affect on her is hard to deal with. 

Modifié par The Night Mammoth, 18 octobre 2012 - 02:52 .

[Grubas]

Barquiel wrote...

JohnShepard12 wrote...

 Thessia should have been another Virmire but it ended up being a rushed mess that's really hard to give a damn about. I'm guessing they didn't let Patrick Weekes write it.

As far as I know, John Dombrow wrote it. And I agree, the mission is really horrible...it's short and totally linear, the story doesn't make much sense, we have Kai Leng...

The mission was supposed to be so much bigger...
I wish i could kill the ninja assasine, so i could have a bossfight with whoever i handed over to Cerberus instead. Indoctrinated Grunt anyone?

[shepskisaac]

Finn the Jakey wrote...

That Virmire 2.0 scene was crap and was rightly cut, who in their right mind would save the whining, paranoid VS over Liara?

I would and it would be a no brainer to me. But cutting it was definitely the right choice. Not because "everyone would save Liara" but because it would be just copy of the idea already used to a big effect in the trilogy

[Xilizhra]

Podge 90 wrote...

JohnShepard12 wrote...

SNascimento wrote...

DoomHK wrote...

Liara's reactions on Thessia didn't annoy me for the most part, seeing as she isn't a trained soldier. The only line that grates on me is "Next time we go to war, perhaps the Alliance could spring for air support!" 

Excuse me dear, our planet was one of the first to get worked over. Perhaps the Asari should have done something sooner.

.
Oh yeah, how could I forget this? I wish I could slap her so hard and say: "The Alliance is fraking spear heading this war while your race sits back and hide critical intel. Shut the frak up and pull yourself together!". 
.
I miss those great renagade interrupts from ME2. 

This would have given me great joy. How can it not be what every player is thinking in response to a thoughtless line like that?

Because Bioware loves Liara and thought everyone else does too.

And you know what? I'm not sorry in the slightest.

[The Night Mammoth]

Finn the Jakey wrote...

That Virmire 2.0 scene was crap and was rightly cut, who in their right mind would save the whining, paranoid VS over Liara?

Seems a really convenient way to kill off your least favourite squad member. 

Sorry James. 

[Steelcan]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Finn the Jakey wrote...

That Virmire 2.0 scene was crap and was rightly cut, who in their right mind would save the whining, paranoid VS over Liara?

Seems a really convenient way to kill off your least favourite squad member. 

Sorry James. 

. To be honest id kill Liara:whistle:

Modifié par Steelcan, 18 octobre 2012 - 03:11 .