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[Barquiel]

Steelcan wrote...

Auto-dialogue in Thessia begs to differ.  Nowhere do you get the option to tell her to grow a pair and suck it up or go back to the ship.  And the Asari councilor knew about the beacon before telling Shepard, could have saved us some time

Not having the option to make unnecessary rude comments =/ feel sorry for her

And you don't know if Tevos knew it. I posted a screenshot on page 7 that indicates she was informed shortly before Shepard.

Modifié par Barquiel, 18 octobre 2012 - 08:06 .

[Jadebaby]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

Interesting fact: the only main plot missions where you have full control of which squadmates come are Sanctuary and Earth.

Yeah, it's kind of ridiculous.

Citadel Coop?

[David7204]

Liara does not have plot armor. And I'd appreciate it if people actually understood what that term meant before clumsily using it.

Believe it or not, it doesn't mean "Any character that can't be killed in a game where some characters be killed."

Modifié par David7204, 18 octobre 2012 - 08:45 .

[BonFire5]

David7204 wrote...

Liara does not have plot armor. And I'd appreciate it if people actually understood what that term meant before clumsily using it.

Believe it or not, it doesn't mean "Any character that can't be killed in a game where some characters be killed."

Plot Armour just sounds cooler than Favouritism. Pretty sure she's the only squad member that can't die in some way (maybe low EMS Vanilla end run).

[mass perfection]

If we brought James or Garrus and some other squadmate that's not Tali,Liaraor Ashley, Kai Leng would've been stopped.

[David7204]

In nearly all stories in existence that have multiple characters, some characters are more present than others. That's a fundamental reality of storytelling.

[Foolsfolly]

Bob Garbage wrote...

This just in, the writing in ME3 wasn't that great. Let's make a thread and argue about stupid **** for 10 pages.

[AlexMBrennan]

Actually, the point really is that there are multiple times in ME3 that I wished my Shepard could do something that he can't.

That's what the rest of us call auto-dialogue

[cyrexwingblade]

I will say that her *constant* bemoaning of the fate of *her people* as opposed to *everyone in the galaxy right now* is a bit self-centered and annoying. Normally Liara isn't THAT self-absorbed.

"Yes, Liara. This is terrible, You've been fighting reapers with me for 3 years, none of this should be surprising you."

And likewise for Shep when landing in London. I wanted an option to say "Yeah, it's toast. This is what Reapers do. Time to end this."

[robertthebard]

EnvyTB075 wrote...

The point is Garrus wasn't entirely teary eyed on Menae, Wrex was more interested in Killing the Reaper on Tuchanka (same with Tali), yet "super badass shadow broker" Liara is the only one who has a mental breakdown?

And why does Shepard care so much? This **** is happening all over the Galaxy, yet apparently Thessia is the planet to save?

Railroading in Mass Effect is bad.

Or, and maybe this didn't occur to you while you were blood raging about Liara having to be with you, it's the first time you lose to Cerberus, and come away empty handed, just a thought.  You had the last answer you needed in the "palm of your hand", so to speak, only to have Kai Leng, a character that is exponentially more annoying than Liara will ever be, take it from you like you were all shaved tail rookies.

[cyrexwingblade]

yeah how Shepard handles the failure is too heavily directed. My shep snapped too far, and even though she *has* a near psychotic edge (butcher of Torfan that went Paragon afterward), she wouldn't snap *like that*.

I just kinda block it out, and visualize her 'snap' coming in with 'This is for Thane, you son of ****."

[Spectre Impersonator]

Xilizhra wrote...

So... you're condemning Tevos for being upset? She wasn't even angry at you.

She had the nerve to facepalm at my Shepard, who risked his life to get that data. Could've have completed he Crucible weeks ago if that b*tch had spilled the secret then.

[Comsky159]

EnvyTB075 wrote...

David7204 wrote...

Okay...so she wasn't there...so what?

Shepard doesn't need reminding of what happened on Eden Prime by someone who wasn't even there, or wasn't on the Normandy until the last possible second like she was in my play through.

She doesn't even do anything mildly interesting in that mission, just serves again to don the getup of 'captain obvious' and generally dull the experience a little.

I actually really hate Liara; not as consequence of the character (though I certainly am not a fan) but because of the blatant preferential treatment given by the devs. Sooooo incredibly obvious to the point that it impedes immersion.

The fact she's even on the squad is just so patently contrived.

[ice-vision]

@Barquiel,

If there wasn't a way for the beacon to be activated, how was the beacon encased/sealed as a godess monument? It was used till the Asari had advanced enough that it wasn't needed, even though it had the original warnings of the Reapers and the key to operating a supposedly Reaper-destroying weapon.

So you don't think the Asari could have handed down the knowledge to activate the beacon through the generations?

Also, Vigil adjusted it's parameters to give out information in a way everyone could understand what it was saying, who's to say Vendetta wouldn't do the same?

[Bob the Elcor]

JohnShepard12 wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

So... you're condemning Tevos for being upset? She wasn't even angry at you.

She had the nerve to facepalm at my Shepard, who risked his life to get that data. Could've have completed he Crucible weeks ago if that b*tch had spilled the secret then.

With disparity, look two posts above yours, that argument has already been had and concluded.

Modifié par Bob the Elcor, 18 octobre 2012 - 10:12 .

[Eterna]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

Interesting fact: the only main plot missions where you have full control of which squadmates come are Sanctuary and Earth.

Yeah, it's kind of ridiculous.

Uhhh what? The only missions that force you to take a particular Squadmate is Cerberus HQ, Palavens Moon, Geth Dreadnaught and Thessia. 

[Spectre Impersonator]

Bob the Elcor wrote...

JohnShepard12 wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

So... you're condemning Tevos for being upset? She wasn't even angry at you.

She had the nerve to facepalm at my Shepard, who risked his life to get that data. Could've have completed he Crucible weeks ago if that b*tch had spilled the secret then.

With disparity, look two posts above yours, that argument has already been had and concluded.

I read the whole thread. Seems to me the issue still stands. I believe Tevos knew and displayed greed in "protecting" the secret until Shepard flew all the way to the Citadel to chat with her. Could have just told me over hologram and picked it up before Cerberus was there and before the Reapers made so much headway on their planet.

[SNascimento]

SwobyJ wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

Liara caring about Thessia is not a problem. It's a problem how suddenly everyone has to comfort her and how big of a deal Bioware made it compared to everyone else. NO ONE is comforting Ash/Kaidan/Vega/Steve/Sam/Joker about Earth, constantly talking how sad it is etc. Few people make a short "I'm sorry about Earth Shep" and that's it. That's why it feels so forced, especially Shepard's railroaded flip out at Joker.

To me isn't because Thessia is more or less regarded the terrestrial capital of the galaxy. It's where all the (non-Citadel) centers of culture and government are, overall.

The loss of Earth means the Reapers are serious and in everyones' faces.
The loss the Palaven would mean the war is damaged hugely and may not ever be able to turn onto the organics' side.

But the loss of Thessia.. that's a bit of the soul (for better or worse) of the galaxy estinguished. There's a reason why Shepard begins to falter here (whether in a literal or IT view of the story).

Lose Thessia (and they did), and it becomes a lot less of a war, and more of a desperate struggle.

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What? This makes no sense. At all. Thessia is no Rome. It might be the richest planet in the galaxy, but the center of the galaxy government is the Citadel.