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[Calamity]

NeilSadam wrote...

Fair enough, and I clearly stated that I was only playing Bronze (I'm just a slow learner and not very good) - people talking about solo'ing Gold really make me feel quite inadequate as a player. Still, in all of the PuG games I play (and I only play PuGs generally) we make full extraction 85-90% of the time no matter the map or opponent. Pretty much everyone I have played with in Bronze PuGs does the same as me and rushes for the LZ.... now I see that there is a valid alternative strategy that might help out the team more I'll certainly give it a buzz.

Have you joined the bronze effect group Neil? Most are on gold now but we will still help people with transitioning from bronze-> silver-> gold (some are probably doing plat now but not I).

[SlowMerc]

But how else am I going to get those 100 First Aid medals if there aren't a 1min 42sec rez-circle going on at the LZ?

[sandboxgod]

Only problem with not heading straight to the LZ you might forget to extract or if you wait too long you run out of time

It is of course better not to dash for the LZ but make sure you remember to run there and give yourself plenty of time to get there

[SlayerGP]

Chris Redfield Shepard wrote...

I've seen the opposite happen, waiting in the extraction zone, someone on the opposite side of the map gets insta killed, person number 2 for some reason then decides to run out and do the same, and with ten seconds remaining person number 3 follows suite = lone survivor in extraction zone.

That's their own fault though. The point is not to camp at the opposite end of the map and fight, but to slowly draw enemies away from the LZ. This means methodically moving from cover to cover so that they follow you, obviously making a few kills along the way, and then make a run for it with ~30 seconds left.

[lephae]

So if a person plays a game the way they wanna play it they are wrong because they have to play it your way?

NO! you have to be super leeet hardcore and die 50 times on the other side of the map.
instead of staying together as a team and reviving eachother when they go down and focus fire down big enemies...yeh it's just so wrong,, damn teamwork, lets all go lone leet wolf and be leet and kewl.

I have seen so many ppl beeing leet on the other side of the map and then when it's 30 secs left they run for it and die cuz you go down super fast in gold.
and no one will come and revive you buddy, hope you brough more than 6 medigels.

Bottom line is, this game is much easier if you employ teamwork, no matter if you choose LZ or beeing leet if the team sticks together it's np.

Modifié par lephä, 18 octobre 2012 - 12:55 .

[Cohen le Barbare]

It's pretty bad on silver indeed. Even the objective waves are messy. I could understand holding the LZ if there was xp/credit bonus, but there's no point drawing all the enemies there.

I personally think that people who rush to the LZ at the beginning of wave 11 never tried to solo. If you've played solo at least once, you realize how suicidal it is.

[Medicate]

most times telling the randoms what to do helps a lot. some of them hear if i say, "don't sit in the damn LZ and pull the enemies to you, so you just die"
even if nearly never anyone replies, ingame communication helps a little

[NuclearTech76]

Almost always it is stupid BUT there are times when the extraction is fairly easy to hold. Heck I think reactor is one of the easier extractions to hold BUT I'm not holding up the whole 2 minutes there, at least not on platinum.

[ste_mc_efc]

because it's more fun to try and hold it?

before credits were at stake for extraction it didn't really matter. and if you had a level 20 character it didn't matter at all.

I quite like standing in the lz and spamming missiles into the hordes.

[Medicate]

i would say reactor is one of the worst. nearly no cover and spawns on any flank. Giant is by far the easiest zone to hold.

[Schnuez1]

oh I love that...

when this happens I get onto one side and block spawnpoints, 3 players can handle the onrush from one side but not from all directions.

[B.Shep]

I prefer to hold another position afar from the extraction and then when there are 30 seconds left i start running to the extraction point.

[Clips7]

Before the patch and DLC it was possible to hold the EZ in silver...now it's a daunting task. But it depends on the map and players as some have stated. You can draw enemies away from the zone, but if everybody is doing that seperately, you run the risk of enemies phasing in behind you or very close to you, or even risk getting sniped from halfway across the map since you're constantly moving and most enemies have stunning accuracy.

Then you might even miss the extraction, because even if you lure the enemies away, if you wait 20-30 seconds, you can run into a scion or Geth prime that will only take a couple of hits to kill you while everybody else is running to the zone and have no time to revive you. It depends on the situation. I try not to run there instantly...for the most part i'll try to hold the enemies off and slowly back up towards the zone, but sometimes even that is a tall order.

Lastly the EZ can be held with good players, but it can also be lost with good players, especially with 2-4 bosses coming at you, and like i stated even if you run around the map you could still be killed by enemies phasing in at spawn points or getting hit by boss weapons.

[Enhanced]

I like rushing to the extraction point and defending it because that's more fun and challenging.

Modifié par Enhanced, 18 octobre 2012 - 01:09 .

[Tronar]

darkpassenger2342 wrote...

The stupid pilot tells them to, and until they become experienced and figure it out for themselves or look here, theyll never know.
 It is 100% the fault of the game


 " hurry up, get to the LZ!"

"we gotta get going, get to that extraction!"

Yep, this!

It's stupid to do so, but it needs experience or playing with people that have that experience to know better.

I don't know if it is necessarily a game fault or part of the learning curve. But beyond silver it is usually near impossible to defend the landing zone for 2 minutes on most maps. So unless you try other strategies, you will fail forever, thus the game is just separating the wheat from the chaff.

Modifié par Tronar, 18 octobre 2012 - 01:10 .

[LeandroBraz]

With a good team, you can hold easily the extraction point, that's why people go there, they probably already had matches where it worked perfectly. Maybe if you had accepted your fate, and followed the team, they would be alive now, with your help =P

Hydra is a little trick to defend, but not impossible. Reactor is easy, but it depends on the team...

[NeilSadam]

Calamity wrote...

NeilSadam wrote...

Fair enough, and I clearly stated that I was only playing Bronze (I'm just a slow learner and not very good) - people talking about solo'ing Gold really make me feel quite inadequate as a player. Still, in all of the PuG games I play (and I only play PuGs generally) we make full extraction 85-90% of the time no matter the map or opponent. Pretty much everyone I have played with in Bronze PuGs does the same as me and rushes for the LZ.... now I see that there is a valid alternative strategy that might help out the team more I'll certainly give it a buzz.

Have you joined the bronze effect group Neil? Most are on gold now but we will still help people with transitioning from bronze-> silver-> gold (some are probably doing plat now but not I).

I'm new to the forum and haven't heard of the Bronze effect group. Sounds intriguing though, how does one join?

I'd love to step up to Silver but don't really have any ambitions to become a Gold or Platinum player.... yet!

I'll only consider it if I get to learn a secret handshake mind you

[MacGarrus]

Ooh shiny. Want.

/reapersynckillsh!tstorm

[BobFettle]

 As Tennyson said:

'Forward, the Light Brigade!'
Was there a man dismay'd?
Not tho' the soldiers knew
  Some one had blunder'd:
Theirs not to make reply,
Theirs not to reason why,
Theirs but to do and die:
Into the valley of Death

Perhaps they think it's a hack objective and they will extract faster if everyone is in the circle?

Me, I normally rush the other way, trying to pull heavies and fire away from the idiots camping the EZ.

[Astartes Marine]

Some maps have the LZ in or near a pretty defendable location like Vancouver, Hydra, Jade, etc.

But on maps like Ghost? Son of a **** don't sit at the LZ. ESPECIALLY if it's Ghost Hazard. Acid rain-depleted shields and enemy swarms? There are no words...

[JumboWheat01]

Depends on the map. Giant, for example, has this these nice little funnels that keep the enemies somewhat under control. I'll go there first every time.

Ghost, as the other example, being sunk down and practically wide open for firing, is someplace I'd never run right off to, but I won't be TOO far away from it. I never wanna be TOO far away from the LZ in case I get distracted and don't notice that I have very little time left.

[NeilSadam]

NeilSadam wrote...

Calamity wrote...

NeilSadam wrote...

Fair enough, and I clearly stated that I was only playing Bronze (I'm just a slow learner and not very good) - people talking about solo'ing Gold really make me feel quite inadequate as a player. Still, in all of the PuG games I play (and I only play PuGs generally) we make full extraction 85-90% of the time no matter the map or opponent. Pretty much everyone I have played with in Bronze PuGs does the same as me and rushes for the LZ.... now I see that there is a valid alternative strategy that might help out the team more I'll certainly give it a buzz.

Have you joined the bronze effect group Neil? Most are on gold now but we will still help people with transitioning from bronze-> silver-> gold (some are probably doing plat now but not I).

I'm new to the forum and haven't heard of the Bronze effect group. Sounds intriguing though, how does one join?

I'd love to step up to Silver but don't really have any ambitions to become a Gold or Platinum player.... yet!

I'll only consider it if I get to learn a secret handshake mind you

Ah, no worries - found and joined. Thanks for the heads-up

[rmccowen]

Personally, it drives me nuts, and in my experience it happens in 60-80% of PUGs on all difficulties. I've also never found that saying something makes any difference at all; it makes me feel vindicated when I warn people, and they ignore me, and I get Lone Survivor--but always a bit guilty, as well.

The logic of staying out, for me, is that if you camp the LZ, every boss that spawns will find you before you extract, and every boss you kill will simply respawn and come after you again. (In fact, killing enemies is generally a waste of time on the extraction wave, unless there's no other quick way to get them out of the LZ.)

So the most secure strategy is to split up into two teams, each of which either camps a defensible location as far away as possible from the LZ or orbits a portion of the map without sightlines to the LZ. Then, with 20-30 seconds remaining, everyone drops what they're doing and sprints in. It takes a relatively long time for the enemies to re-engage you, so you'll only be under fire for 10 or 15 seconds, which is perfectly survivable.

[Calamity]

NeilSadam wrote...

Calamity wrote...

NeilSadam wrote...

Fair enough, and I clearly stated that I was only playing Bronze (I'm just a slow learner and not very good) - people talking about solo'ing Gold really make me feel quite inadequate as a player. Still, in all of the PuG games I play (and I only play PuGs generally) we make full extraction 85-90% of the time no matter the map or opponent. Pretty much everyone I have played with in Bronze PuGs does the same as me and rushes for the LZ.... now I see that there is a valid alternative strategy that might help out the team more I'll certainly give it a buzz.

Have you joined the bronze effect group Neil? Most are on gold now but we will still help people with transitioning from bronze-> silver-> gold (some are probably doing plat now but not I).

I'm new to the forum and haven't heard of the Bronze effect group. Sounds intriguing though, how does one join?

I'd love to step up to Silver but don't really have any ambitions to become a Gold or Platinum player.... yet!

I'll only consider it if I get to learn a secret handshake mind you

http://social.bioware.com/group/7080/

There are lots of great people there who are will to help others along. I love this group and most of my friends list is people I found on this group.:happy:

[rmccowen]

Astartes Marine wrote...

Some maps have the LZ in or near a pretty defendable location like Vancouver, Hydra, Jade, etc.

...Jade? Surely you jest. I've never seen a PUG, at least, survive camping the Jade LZ. You get rushed from the spawn point in the control rooms to your left, and the spawn at the back of the map on the right spits out enemies who provide suppressive fire. 

And the control room spawn on the left is really, really close... meaning if you kill that Prime or Phantom or Scion or whatever is bothering you, it will be back on you in seconds. 

Again, I think it's a far better strategy to have one team camp the control rooms on the left, controlling that spawn, with one group either on the lower landing on the right side or in the first control room nearby.