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[Foolsfolly]

So I'm replaying Origins and I happened to ask Flemeth about the archdemon. Something I must have done a few dozen times, I'm sure. But something clicks with me this time... something I've known since day one but never really thought about.

The Chantry acknowledges the Old Gods.

...which made me think "Why?" Which of course led to me wondering if all the different religions in Thedas were all correct. Each a single perception of a larger cosmic whole. From the Stone to Dragon Gods and Andraste marrying something much grander than mortals.

But my knowledge of the elven gods and the Tevinter Old Gods is.... rudimentary at best. And I can't be the first to think of this. So BSNers... is there a way to reconcile all these somewhat incongruent religions into a single unified theory?

Bonus points if you can find out how magic and lyrium could fit in.

[Darth Death]

Well, atheism doesn't exist in DA if that contributes anything. Maybe there's truth to all religion in DA except the elves. The elven religion is a bunch of baloney imo.

[MichaelStuart]

It all just attempts by different people to understand the world around and beyond them, and coming to very different conclusions.

[Foolsfolly]

Darth Death wrote...

Well, atheism doesn't exist in DA if that contributes anything. Maybe there's truth to all religion in DA except the elves. The elven religion is a bunch of baloney imo.

The entire reason I know next to nothing about elven religion is because for years I've just assumed they're wrong.

[inko1nsiderate]

Darth Death wrote...

Well, atheism doesn't exist in DA if that contributes anything. Maybe there's truth to all religion in DA except the elves. The elven religion is a bunch of baloney imo.

I'm not so sure that is true.  Morrigan and Leliana have an argument where it is clear Morrigan doesn't believe in the maker, or old gods.

[Ivers0803]

The old gods actually exists , that is undeniable, one rises every blight, but to acknowledge them as gods is something quite different.

[Foolsfolly]

Ivers0803 wrote...

The old gods actually exists , that is undeniable, one rises every blight, but to acknowledge them as gods is something quite different.

I don't know about that. You have to admit there are archdemons there's been five of them and they damn near destroy the world each time one rises. But they look like dragons. If the Chantry wanted to cast down heath gods (and they have no love for the Tevinter Imperium) then they could have easily have dismissed Old Gods as merely being corrupted dragons. Like Ogres are Qunari, shrieks are elves, and hurlocks are humans.

[Vandicus]

inko1nsiderate wrote...

Darth Death wrote...

Well, atheism doesn't exist in DA if that contributes anything. Maybe there's truth to all religion in DA except the elves. The elven religion is a bunch of baloney imo.

I'm not so sure that is true.  Morrigan and Leliana have an argument where it is clear Morrigan doesn't believe in the maker, or old gods.

Word of God says atheism does not exist and that Morrigan is not an atheist. Additionally, atheist interpretations of the line are incorrect(specifically so).

That brings Morrigan saying she "doesn't believe in a higher power" into a whole new context. What kind of being in a universe with "real" gods doesn't believe in a higher power? Another god, or would-be god/someone who views themself as god-like.

Or Morrigan could just be screwing with Leliana. Totally fits her character.

[Vandicus]

Foolsfolly wrote...

Ivers0803 wrote...

The old gods actually exists , that is undeniable, one rises every blight, but to acknowledge them as gods is something quite different.

I don't know about that. You have to admit there are archdemons there's been five of them and they damn near destroy the world each time one rises. But they look like dragons. If the Chantry wanted to cast down heath gods (and they have no love for the Tevinter Imperium) then they could have easily have dismissed Old Gods as merely being corrupted dragons. Like Ogres are Qunari, shrieks are elves, and hurlocks are humans.

Legacy confirms that the Old Gods were able to communicate telepathically with their priests, note a certain Tevinter magister calling out for Dumat, and then acting surprised when Dumant does not answer(Dumat being dead and all).

[Foolsfolly]

To be frank I admit there are Old Gods and that they are in fact gods (at least demigods). And I'm beginning to believe there is a Maker.

I'm reading over the Dragon Age wiki trying to find ways to reconcile these religions. The elves are troublesome. The Tevinter Old Gods do not seem to have a creation myth which means it doesn't exclude a sole Creator/Maker over all.

[Wissenschaft]

The fact that people don't profess they are Atheist doesn't mean they don't exist. Simply becuase they don't believe in god does not mean they turn it into a political/social view of dispising religion and its effects on society.

It very likely just means they don't think about god at all nor consider god in moral judgdements. That is after all what it means to be an Atheist.

Modifié par Wissenschaft, 18 octobre 2012 - 07:42 .

[CuriousArtemis]

Erm the dwarves do not believe in a deity or deities.

[Vandicus]

Wissenschaft wrote...

The fact that people don't profess they are Atheist doesn't mean they don't exist. Simply becuase they don't believe in god does not mean they turn it into a political/social view of dispising religion and its effects on society.

It very likely just means they don't think about god at all nor consider god in moral judgdements. That is after all what it means to be an Atheist.

Atheism itself is a disputed term. While we can be sure that DG(the writer) meant positive atheism did not exist, that is the form of atheism which actively denies the existence of deities, we cannot be sure that he meant there are no individuals who don't practice some form of worship.