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[kalasaurus]

^^^ I found my DA: O ending happy too-
My FemWarden Amell stays in the Wardens with her LI Alistair, and they rebuild it together.
Loghain dies.
The Circle is freed from the Chantry.
Anora stays Queen and rebuilds Ferelden.
Warden sees her friend Morrigan safely off through the Eluvian.

Modifié par GlassElephant, 07 février 2013 - 11:51 .

[Twisted Path]

I got the impression that the idea was that Grey Wardens can't have kids at all but there's some confusion and misunderstanding on the subject because of Grey Wardens who had children before they got all tainted.

[Herr Uhl]

Twisted Path wrote...

I got the impression that the idea was that Grey Wardens can't have kids at all but there's some confusion and misunderstanding on the subject because of Grey Wardens who had children before they got all tainted.

No. Wardens just have a low fertility rate.

[Heimdall]

Twisted Path wrote...

I got the impression that the idea was that Grey Wardens can't have kids at all but there's some confusion and misunderstanding on the subject because of Grey Wardens who had children before they got all tainted.

It's unlikely but certainly possible.  Case in point, Fiona.

[imsyfi]

What was it that Morrigan said to the Warden after she asked her to talk Alistair into laying with Morrigan; why not let Riordan do it (impregnate Morrigan)? And wasn't Anora childless in her marriage to King Cailan, so odds are Anora is sterile?

[TEWR]

A few things to note:

1) While Eamon believes Anora to be barren, you hear about how Cailan had many mistresses and Anora knew about them. That you don't hear about some bastard child of his speaks more to Cailan shooting blanks, as opposed to Anora being barren.

2) A Grey Warden can have a child, provided the man/woman they're with is not a Grey Warden. They suffer from a lower likelihood to have a child because of the Taint in that type of relationship, but it's not impossible. But if two Grey Wardens were to try and have a child naturally, they would fail. It just wouldn't happen, per DG.

Though I would think it wouldn't be impossible, but have even less of a chance then a GW/non-GW would.

[Urazz]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

A few things to note:

1) While Eamon believes Anora to be barren, you hear about how Cailan had many mistresses and Anora knew about them. That you don't hear about some bastard child of his speaks more to Cailan shooting blanks, as opposed to Anora being barren.

2) A Grey Warden can have a child, provided the man/woman they're with is not a Grey Warden. They suffer from a lower likelihood to have a child because of the Taint in that type of relationship, but it's not impossible. But if two Grey Wardens were to try and have a child naturally, they would fail. It just wouldn't happen, per DG.

Though I would think it wouldn't be impossible, but have even less of a chance then a GW/non-GW would.

Exactly what I was thinking.  Though from what I heard the only thing saying there wouldn't be any children at all would be a Alistair/Warden couple since they are both Grey Wardens.

Cailan did sleep around and never had any bastard children so it makes it more likely that he is the one shooting blanks.  Anora herself could have a reduced level of fertility (some women have difficulty concieving or carrying children to term) so being together with Alistair or the Warden would be pretty much ensure there would be no children.  Since the Alistair and the Warden know they have reduced fertility, they'll probably assume that it's them that is the cause of not being able to get Anora pregnant and not care to replace her with a more fertile wife.

Of course for all we could know, we could hear about a child from Anora if she is with the Warden or Alistair in DA3.

[IanPolaris]

Urazz wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

A few things to note:

1) While Eamon believes Anora to be barren, you hear about how Cailan had many mistresses and Anora knew about them. That you don't hear about some bastard child of his speaks more to Cailan shooting blanks, as opposed to Anora being barren.

2) A Grey Warden can have a child, provided the man/woman they're with is not a Grey Warden. They suffer from a lower likelihood to have a child because of the Taint in that type of relationship, but it's not impossible. But if two Grey Wardens were to try and have a child naturally, they would fail. It just wouldn't happen, per DG.

Though I would think it wouldn't be impossible, but have even less of a chance then a GW/non-GW would.

Exactly what I was thinking.  Though from what I heard the only thing saying there wouldn't be any children at all would be a Alistair/Warden couple since they are both Grey Wardens.

Cailan did sleep around and never had any bastard children so it makes it more likely that he is the one shooting blanks.  Anora herself could have a reduced level of fertility (some women have difficulty concieving or carrying children to term) so being together with Alistair or the Warden would be pretty much ensure there would be no children.  Since the Alistair and the Warden know they have reduced fertility, they'll probably assume that it's them that is the cause of not being able to get Anora pregnant and not care to replace her with a more fertile wife.

Of course for all we could know, we could hear about a child from Anora if she is with the Warden or Alistair in DA3.

In addition to the naturally low fertility rate of Grey Wardens, if you talk with Loghain during Awakening (provided he is alive and you are Prince-Consort of Fereldan), he (Loghain) will have a very frank conversation with you about having heirs and grandchildren and openly say that Anora is horrified at the idea.  [For the record Loghain wants his daughter to have children and says quite frankly that you need to get busy at it.]

That along with the other evidence strongly suggests to me that Anora is (for whatever reason) frigid.  That along with the natural low Grey Warden fertility rate pretty much suggests to me that in a generation, there won't be an heir to the throne no matter what.  The only realistic way I can see otherwise is if Alistair is king and Anora is exiled/killed (and thus presumably Alistair arranges a political marriage).

-Polaris

[BioFan (Official)]

 I want my queen warden poppin' babies out like a factory essably line d****it!!!!




lol, jk. but seriously, she needs some kids. 

Modifié par Ericander77, 08 février 2013 - 05:18 .

[Han Shot First]

ledod wrote...

Okay, real talk moment: is OGB canon?

No, but it should be.

I'd love to see the OGB be a major character in a Dragon Age game. The way it could work for those who didn't do the ritual, is that out of desperation Morrigan seduced Riordan. Because the taint was advanced in Riordan (making him a poor candidate), the ritual failed to save whichever Warden slew the Archdemom, but did manage to produce a child.

Whether or not the OGB actually is a reborn Old God could also be left ambiguous.

[Harle Cerulean]

Han Shot First wrote...

ledod wrote...

Okay, real talk moment: is OGB canon?

No, but it should be.

I'd love to see the OGB be a major character in a Dragon Age game. The way it could work for those who didn't do the ritual, is that out of desperation Morrigan seduced Riordan. Because the taint was advanced in Riordan (making him a poor candidate), the ritual failed to save whichever Warden slew the Archdemom, but did manage to produce a child.

Whether or not the OGB actually is a reborn Old God could also be left ambiguous.

Why should my choice, my Warden's sacrifice and death be made pointless because you want to see your Warden's sprog?  It has been outright said this this choice will be respected because it is so important, and I'm glad for that.  I certainly hope that they will have some content for those who chose to do the Ritual, but not at the expense of those of us who chose not to.

[Han Shot First]

Harle Cerulean wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

ledod wrote...

Okay, real talk moment: is OGB canon?

No, but it should be.

I'd love to see the OGB be a major character in a Dragon Age game. The way it could work for those who didn't do the ritual, is that out of desperation Morrigan seduced Riordan. Because the taint was advanced in Riordan (making him a poor candidate), the ritual failed to save whichever Warden slew the Archdemom, but did manage to produce a child.

Whether or not the OGB actually is a reborn Old God could also be left ambiguous.

Why should my choice, my Warden's sacrifice and death be made pointless because you want to see your Warden's sprog?  It has been outright said this this choice will be respected because it is so important, and I'm glad for that.  I certainly hope that they will have some content for those who chose to do the Ritual, but not at the expense of those of us who chose not to.

While they aren't going to go that route, I think they should.

Your choice wouldn't be pointless.

Riordan wouldn't be an ideal candidate for the ritual, failing to save the Warden that slew the archdemon. Whether or not Morrigan's child with Riordan absorbed some shard of the soul of the archdemon or was just a normal child could also be left ambiguous.

[Masha Potato]

this is so tragic

[Solas]

imsyfi wrote...

What was it that Morrigan said to the Warden after she asked her to talk Alistair into laying with Morrigan; why not let Riordan do it (impregnate Morrigan)? And wasn't Anora childless in her marriage to King Cailan, so odds are Anora is sterile?

Could be Cailan that was sterile.

[IanPolaris]

Carbon-based wrote...

imsyfi wrote...

What was it that Morrigan said to the Warden after she asked her to talk Alistair into laying with Morrigan; why not let Riordan do it (impregnate Morrigan)? And wasn't Anora childless in her marriage to King Cailan, so odds are Anora is sterile?

Could be Cailan that was sterile.

Given the lack of illegitamate children by Cailan, and given that he liked to sleep around, I think he probably was (or at least had low fertility).

-Polaris

[Gamer Ftw]

motomotogirl wrote...

Gamer Ftw wrote...

Dragon age has a suck it up,there are no real happy endings sort of attitude I quite enjoy.

Not true! I thought my DA:O ending was very happy!

Zevran and the Warden ran away together. 
Loghain killed and Anora imprisoned.
Alistair was made king!

DA2 even had a good ending IMO; Hawke and Fenris disappeared together. And they lived happily ever after as far as I'm concerned lol

Lol,not a big picture person then?
Alistair won't have an heir which will result in civil war to claim the throne when he dies.[probably the same if you had put Anora on the throne.]
In at the most 30 years  or so.
So lots of people will probably die while you get {admittedly awesome] elf loving.
Not to mention that would be the perfect time for an orlesian invasion.
Also if you did the dark ritual you have a potentional OGB to deal with who may or may not just kill everyone for lols.
The crows still want Zevran and probably you dead.
Plus you have 30 years at most to live.
In Da2 you have Hawke losing family members and being in the middle of a huge war at the end.
No totally happy endings.

Modifié par Gamer Ftw, 08 février 2013 - 10:16 .

[esper]

Gamer Ftw wrote...

motomotogirl wrote...

Gamer Ftw wrote...

Dragon age has a suck it up,there are no real happy endings sort of attitude I quite enjoy.

Not true! I thought my DA:O ending was very happy!

Zevran and the Warden ran away together. 
Loghain killed and Anora imprisoned.
Alistair was made king!

DA2 even had a good ending IMO; Hawke and Fenris disappeared together. And they lived happily ever after as far as I'm concerned lol

Lol,not a big picture person then?
Alistair won't have an heir which will result in civil war to claim the throne when he dies.[probably the same if you had put Anora on the throne.]
In at the most 30 years  or so.
So lots of people will probably die while you get {admittedly awesome] elf loving.
Not to mention that would be the perfect time for an orlesian invasion.
Also if you did the dark ritual you have a potentional OGB to deal with who may or may not just kill everyone for lols.
The crows still want Zevran and probably you dead.
Plus you have 30 years at most to live.
In Da2 you have Hawke losing family members and being in the middle of a huge war at the end.
No totally happy endings.

I don't know about the big picture, I see the world throught the eyes of the PC so if the pc is not a big picture person, chances are that I will only see the ending of the game as unhappy if I apply frigde logic.

Da:o was unquestingly too happy for me. MY Pc have no reason to distrust Morrigan and I could clearly see that whatever consequences of the dark ritual it would not come in this game (if in any game at all) and Fereldan was as stabilzed as it could possible be. I simply could not see that game as having a bittersweet ending.

[DragonMage95]

Twisted Path wrote...

I got the impression that the idea was that Grey Wardens can't have kids at all but there's some confusion and misunderstanding on the subject because of Grey Wardens who had children before they got all tainted.

From what i've seen I can assume that Wardens can have kids but it is very difficult, I dont think they become sterile but I do think the older the warden gets the less chance he or she gets to have kids because of the taint. So I assume if a Warden was to have children they'd have to get to it right away.

[DragonMage95]

Foolsfolly wrote...

I don't know.

I like to hope that it was Cailan shooting blanks and not Anora. That way the Alistair/Anora marriage I somewhat enjoy can produce another child of the Therin bloodline.

Same with me. I personally had my male Cousland warden marry Anora in my second playthrough so I'd want her to be able to have at least two kids to provide an heir,continue the Cousland line,and have happy happy family before the calling. Cailan being sterile seems more likely to me than Anora being barren. 

[Daralii]

imsyfi wrote...

What was it that Morrigan said to the Warden after she asked her to talk Alistair into laying with Morrigan; why not let Riordan do it (impregnate Morrigan)? And wasn't Anora childless in her marriage to King Cailan, so odds are Anora is sterile?

I think she just said that Riordan "Wouldn't be suitable," probably due to how progressed the Taint was. I wouldn't be surprised if Wardens become increasingly infertile, possibly to the point of sterility, as time goes on.

[Gamer Ftw]

Does Thedas really need another Therin child?
They seem to be made entirely of stupid.

[Daralii]

Gamer Ftw wrote...

Does Thedas really need another Therin child?
They seem to be made entirely of stupid.

Better another well intentioned idiot on the throne than another civil war.

[Lady Niltiak]

I've always wondered what role magic could play in fertility odds. A magic ritual creates OGB, and the Architect does something to Fiona (corrupted, then not tainted but with a baby). Maybe Alistair will be more likely to have a kid with Anora, or the warden, if magic plays a hand?.

[Urazz]

Daralii wrote...

imsyfi wrote...

What was it that Morrigan said to the Warden after she asked her to talk Alistair into laying with Morrigan; why not let Riordan do it (impregnate Morrigan)? And wasn't Anora childless in her marriage to King Cailan, so odds are Anora is sterile?

I think she just said that Riordan "Wouldn't be suitable," probably due to how progressed the Taint was. I wouldn't be surprised if Wardens become increasingly infertile, possibly to the point of sterility, as time goes on.

I figured the lowered fertility of the grey wardens was due to the taint actually.  And since the taint grows stronger in a grey warden as time passes, it makes sense that the effect the taint has on the warden's fertility is also increased as well.

Essentially, a grey warden will have to have kids early in his/her career as a grey warden or else it'll become even more difficult to have kids as time goes on.  Even magic cannot change that and it explains why Morrigan needed a Warden that has only been recently tainted and not one close to his calling like Riordan was.

Modifié par Urazz, 10 février 2013 - 06:08 .

[Megami Nekohime]

Lady Niltiak wrote...

I've always wondered what role magic could play in fertility odds. A magic ritual creates OGB, and the Architect does something to Fiona (corrupted, then not tainted but with a baby). Maybe Alistair will be more likely to have a kid with Anora, or the warden, if magic plays a hand?.

This was my thought. First of all, they're both newly tainted and the fact that Morrigan used magic to ensure a pregnancy should show that magic could indeed help two wardens conceive together.

Modifié par Megami Nekohime, 11 février 2013 - 08:06 .