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[Revik]

heat2008 wrote...

 Ok before you read too much into the title of my post, don't misunderstand. I like the game, a lot. But on the other hand I hate it with a passion. This is the only Bioware game outside of Mass Effect I've played but I've heard a little bit about there other games like Baulders Gate and so on. And the main reason I got it was because I liked Mass Effect so much...that and I just got a PS3 and was in need of an RPG to play.

I play a mage for 2 reasons, the AI is retarded and I hate melee classes. I tried letting the AI control my mage but it's nowhere near as effective as me controlling her. I do 50% of my parties damage and I have another mage in the group with the same talents which only does 20%. Yes I roll with 2 mages. I've seen a lot of people call this game difficult, I don't find it so but I do find it rather tedious and aggrivating.

I'm going to try and keep this short because the game was designed the way it was for a reason and it has become clear to me that I do not like western RPG's. Western developers apparently believe hard translates into tedious unnecessary aggravation, or at the very least that's how I feel about this game and it's the only western true RPG I've played. I'm more prone to playing Japanese ones and in my opinion they're better. Although I'm a huge fan of Bethesda and their work. But back to the subject at hand, some of the issues I have are...

• The party does not stay in formation, there may be a way to change that but I don't know it. If I decide I want to run to regroup and re-evaluate my plan I can't. The party will not follow and there is no way to leave combat once engauged...which is weird to me since I thought escape was an essential battle tactic.
• If I tell me people to hold that's what I mean, I don't care what cut scene I go through If I put you around the corner then that's where I expect you to be. Especially if I know I'm walking into an ambush, I do not like being forced into an ambush that's blatantly obvious to forsee. Are my people really that stupid.
• I also don't like being forced to make specific choices solely to keep members in my group. For example, I like Shale a lot and when I got to the anvil conclusion I chose to use it. An army of golems would seem useful no, but that choice makes shale revolt and fight you then die. And after the battle she doesn't get up, no that **** is just dead period. So I lose one of my favorite characters because of some stupid choice that has little affect on the game as a whole. Great. That's not really a choice, whats the point of my downloading a character if I'm just going to kill her later, that's ignant.
• If I see enemies but they haven't seen me yet, why can I not attack them then and there. Why do I have to wait for them to turn hostile to attack. That means the player never has the chance to take the initiave. If I can shoot a fireball into a group of monsters and they take no damage then I should be able to shoot it at my party and they take no damage. I do not find friendly fire to make the game more difficult, just annoying.
• Some of the end level talents are ****. No other way to put it. The first time I played I chose spirit healer and got all the talents only to find out Clensing Aura sucks the big one. Not only does it take a reserve of your mana but it also continually drains your mana as you keep the spell activated WHICH THE GAME DOES NOT TELL YOU and had I known I wouldn't have gotten a talent past ressurect. So 28 hours into the game I decide to restart because I was highly upset about that , only to find out fade aura will cause your mage to sustain random injuries. I put it on and 2 fights later I look at the botom to see I have 6 injuries and I'm confused as hell because I never died so I didn't know how they got there. Use some injury kits start another fight and watch 2 more pop up. I mean really where you trying to make these skills completely useless. Now I'm mad I put 4 points into arcane warrior when I should've just said **** it and been a blood mage instead.

I could go on with a couple more but chances are you should be able to understand what I do not like about the game even if I don't bring it up. I'm not going to say it's a bad game because the game was intentionally designed this way but I don't see how people can find those things enjoyable. I know it's like that to make the game "difficult" but it doesn't. The monsters are no harder to beat, the enemies aren't smarter because of it. It simply forces you to play a certian way and if I'm playing a game I want to play it the way I want to play it, I don't like to be forced to do anything and this game forces a lot of **** on you.

That and on the PS3 version there is a glitch where if you open the radial menu right as combat begins the game will continue to play with the radial menu open and then freeze when you close it. It can get rather annoying because hen this happens you're stuck and can not move 

It is rather incredible that there are people like this being born nowadays.  You complain about the consequences of the choices that you make while simultaneously praise JRPGS which give you no choice whatsoever.  You are given the choice to play ruthless evil SOB but complain all your party members actually hate you for it.

You are given a choice and you reap what you sow.  If all you are is a murderer and a tyrant why should you expect anything else in return? 

I think you have some issues you need to sort out.  I think you really need to sit down and look at yourself in the mirror and really decide what it is you really want because from your statement above tells me that you are really confused.  If you want a game where you are lead by the nose and everything is spoonfed to you there are plenty of games like that for you.  If you decide that you actually want to take your game to the next level and actually ROLE PLAY (sometimes I wonder if people even know what that means anymore) then actions have consequences.  Consequences that you may not agree with.

[heat2008]

I find it HILARIOUS people are still reading my original post and are commenting solely on it. Maybe I should change it, maybe I should say wait theres more read on to avoid looking like a dumb ass later. But in all reality the people that have commented negatively on what I said would not see this. So let me make this perfectly clear.



I do not care that companions may leave, that is part of the game. As I've said MANY times it was a temporary grievance. I GOT OVER IT. If you were going to comment about how stupid that is YOU'RE A BIT LATE. People that jump into a conversation late are fine by me, people that jump into a conversation late without understanding I have already said and agreed that I was being a bit unreasonable are just stupid. At the very least you should read my LAST post because I've said the same thing at least 5 times now.



Death, I did not say JRPGs are superior I said they're better. That is my opinion which translates into I LIKE THEM BETTER. There are many a ****ty JRPGs, more than I would care to name. As for my tactics, my party fights just fine. You have no idea what my tactics are nor did I say how I use them. The only thing I said about fighting is it annoys me I cant move my entire party in the middle of battle how I want.Thus if I decide to run, chances are they will not follow. BUT I've already said I figured out a solution to that but you wouldn't know this would you now.



1.My party is programmed just fine, they get the job done every time.



2. If I myself am doing 50% of the damage and there are 3 other people in the party the other mage is not going to be able to output 50% as well. Unless my other 2 party members are just standing there looking stupid. And by your account I'm sure you think that.



3.No actually I was thinking of a giant naked elf that dances around stunning all enemies nearby and make them your allies for a short while, cause nobody can resist elf boobs right.



4. I love saving the world over and over again about as much as I love playing in the middle ages over and over again, because every western rpg isn't set in an era with knights or dragons.



It does not bother me being called a dolt by someone I deem self imposed mentally handicapped.



Crrash my warden would probably fall into the douche category, I don't think jerk is quite enough. And you are correct you have the right to say I'm getting too worked up, but after I have already said this myself it just makes your comments unnecessary and very idiotic depending.



You don't understand because you haven't really paid attention to any of my later posts, don't feel bad. The majority of the people who post do the same and I take great pleasure in making them look like retards.



That is a PC option only, the closest I have gotten to moving my party mid battle is switching them to passive.



Just because I don't find it difficult doesn't mean I want to make it so, I have issues with combat as is why would I opt to aggravate myself more?



I love both Fallout 3 and Oblivion, if I'm not mistaken I have every achievement for both games...maybe not Fallout 3 but I know I have all the Oblivion ones.



When I say JRPG I do generally mean Final Fantasy as that's about the only one I'm willing to play. 12 broke their random battles and switching to battle screen. Enemies are on the world map and you fight them as you see them. I's actually quite similar to DAO, but everything prior to it was the same old ****. But I'm use to that same old ****. This is the first game I've played of this type so I was obviously going to have to adjust.



Robert if I open a chest and take an item and the chest becomes empty it is the games fault because thats how the game is scripted. It is the games fault shale chose to turn on me when I chose what I chose because that was supposed to happen. It is not a bad thing, I simply do not like it. I understand and have agreed to a certain extent already about what you're saying...but damn this is getting old.



Revik, I think you need to learn to read before you post self righteous bull****. Actually everybody I mentioned in this post falls in that category excluding Crrash since I find you were being respectable.



Now lets see how many more people tell me how stupid/childish I am for being mad a character left over my selfish actions when I've stated...oh about 7 times now that I have no problems with it. I was mad that Shale left, yes. It was my fault, yes. Does it mater, no. I went on my merry way and have had no problems since. If people were smart they'd understand I wasn't so much mad at the fact that shale left than I was mad I made her leave. Either way, I GOT OVER IT, Ya'll should too.

[borelocin]

fantasypisces wrote...

AmstradHero wrote...

If you don't want choice and consequence, perhaps you should play a different not-really-an-RPG-but-pretending-to-be-one game.

I lol'ed

You made me spit coffee out of my nose

[Layn]

heat2008 wrote...

I find it HILARIOUS people are still reading my original post and are commenting solely on it. Maybe I should change it, maybe I should say wait theres more read on to avoid looking like a dumb ass later. But in all reality the people that have commented negatively on what I said would not see this.

nope still sounding like an ass. in fact i read the first post, figured you probably already got slammed by everyone and then read your last couple of posts. no change in attitude, but you did get a bit less worked up (now you are mostly worked up about people getting worked up about you getting worked up about shale getting worked up and leaving).

i dont understand, not because i didnt read your posts (i did! its not just the first one), but because i just can't follow your thoughts. at points you even seem (to me) to contradict yourself.
But really that doesn't matter. Just saying, to me, a mere mortal, it feels like you are being a bit of an ass.

heat2008 wrote...
When I say JRPG I do generally mean Final Fantasy as that's about the only one I'm willing to play. 12 broke their random battles and switching to battle screen. Enemies are on the world map and you fight them as you see them.

i havent played much of 12 yet. i'm hoping at least battlewise its somewhat near Chrono trigger. but i hear many people got angry at this change.

heat2008 wrote...
Actually everybody I mentioned in this post falls in that category excluding Crrash since I find you were being respectable.

aaaw shucks

Modifié par Crrash, 01 janvier 2010 - 01:12 .

[heat2008]

Trying to understand me is somewhat impossible considering I can't understand myself half the time. Yes I was mad shale left, but that was due to the choice I made, that does not mean I have to be happy about being placed in that situation to make such a choice. Nor does that mean it was a bad thing for them to do, I can just think of other ways that could have went down. And there are other ways to do it, I just wanted to express my anger at the time. And who really pays attention to what they're saying when they're angry, because if you are you're not all that mad...



12 is very similar to Chrono Trigger, one of the main differences is you can set gambits and make your players do predetermined actions such like the tactics menu in DAO. Sure some people were mad at the change, that's because they wanted their same random turn based battles...let's be honest. That **** gets old, most people hailed it as a revolution for the series. Although summons suck major ass, but they are cool to see...once.



And yeah all my posts make me sound like an ass because I was being one on purpose. Somebody reads my post and assumes they know everything it is about me and decides to comment like they know exactly what I mean, why I said it, and how I feel. That is a vast mistake on their parts.

[Axterix]

For the OP, I agree with a couple of his points.

One of the biggest things I found missing on the console version of the game was the inability to tell characters to move to a location.  I could control one, sure, but I couldn't say move to this spot and leave them to do it.

And, while I don't mind having to talk to people before I can kill them, that was fine, I definitely didn't like that such things resulted in all my characters getting bunched up, so they could conveniently be close to the enemy and grouped to be hit by AoEs.  I want the ranged characters at range, I want my characters spread out so my whole party doesn't get fireballed.  Obviously, if the game is going to lock me into an area, then, okay, maybe a character might need to be moved up.  But then just enough to put them inside the area or, better yet, don't drop in lame  artificial barriers.

That said, overall these things weren't too big of a deal.

Ruhumio wrote...

I love reading random threads.  Never knew this about cleansing aura. <3

It isn't accurate though.  Cleansing Aura will remove injuries from others, but not from the person using it.  At least on the 360 and, I guess the PS3.  So if the OP's spirit healer was getting injuries for some reason, the aura wouldn't help.

Modifié par Axterix, 02 janvier 2010 - 04:11 .

[AtreiyaN7]

heat2008 wrote...

 Ok before you read too much into the title of my post, don't misunderstand. I like the game, a lot. But on the other hand I hate it with a passion. This is the only Bioware game outside of Mass Effect I've played but I've heard a little bit about there other games like Baulders Gate and so on. And the main reason I got it was because I liked Mass Effect so much...that and I just got a PS3 and was in need of an RPG to play.

I play a mage for 2 reasons, the AI is retarded and I hate melee classes. I tried letting the AI control my mage but it's nowhere near as effective as me controlling her. I do 50% of my parties damage and I have another mage in the group with the same talents which only does 20%. Yes I roll with 2 mages. I've seen a lot of people call this game difficult, I don't find it so but I do find it rather tedious and aggrivating.

I'm going to try and keep this short because the game was designed the way it was for a reason and it has become clear to me that I do not like western RPG's. Western developers apparently believe hard translates into tedious unnecessary aggravation, or at the very least that's how I feel about this game and it's the only western true RPG I've played. I'm more prone to playing Japanese ones and in my opinion they're better. Although I'm a huge fan of Bethesda and their work. But back to the subject at hand, some of the issues I have are...

• The party does not stay in formation, there may be a way to change that but I don't know it. If I decide I want to run to regroup and re-evaluate my plan I can't. The party will not follow and there is no way to leave combat once engauged...which is weird to me since I thought escape was an essential battle tactic.
• If I tell me people to hold that's what I mean, I don't care what cut scene I go through If I put you around the corner then that's where I expect you to be. Especially if I know I'm walking into an ambush, I do not like being forced into an ambush that's blatantly obvious to forsee. Are my people really that stupid.
• I also don't like being forced to make specific choices solely to keep members in my group. For example, I like Shale a lot and when I got to the anvil conclusion I chose to use it. An army of golems would seem useful no, but that choice makes shale revolt and fight you then die. And after the battle she doesn't get up, no that **** is just dead period. So I lose one of my favorite characters because of some stupid choice that has little affect on the game as a whole. Great. That's not really a choice, whats the point of my downloading a character if I'm just going to kill her later, that's ignant.
• If I see enemies but they haven't seen me yet, why can I not attack them then and there. Why do I have to wait for them to turn hostile to attack. That means the player never has the chance to take the initiave. If I can shoot a fireball into a group of monsters and they take no damage then I should be able to shoot it at my party and they take no damage. I do not find friendly fire to make the game more difficult, just annoying.
• Some of the end level talents are ****. No other way to put it. The first time I played I chose spirit healer and got all the talents only to find out Clensing Aura sucks the big one. Not only does it take a reserve of your mana but it also continually drains your mana as you keep the spell activated WHICH THE GAME DOES NOT TELL YOU and had I known I wouldn't have gotten a talent past ressurect. So 28 hours into the game I decide to restart because I was highly upset about that , only to find out fade aura will cause your mage to sustain random injuries. I put it on and 2 fights later I look at the botom to see I have 6 injuries and I'm confused as hell because I never died so I didn't know how they got there. Use some injury kits start another fight and watch 2 more pop up. I mean really where you trying to make these skills completely useless. Now I'm mad I put 4 points into arcane warrior when I should've just said **** it and been a blood mage instead.

I could go on with a couple more but chances are you should be able to understand what I do not like about the game even if I don't bring it up. I'm not going to say it's a bad game because the game was intentionally designed this way but I don't see how people can find those things enjoyable. I know it's like that to make the game "difficult" but it doesn't. The monsters are no harder to beat, the enemies aren't smarter because of it. It simply forces you to play a certian way and if I'm playing a game I want to play it the way I want to play it, I don't like to be forced to do anything and this game forces a lot of **** on you.

That and on the PS3 version there is a glitch where if you open the radial menu right as combat begins the game will continue to play with the radial menu open and then freeze when you close it. It can get rather annoying because hen this happens you're stuck and can not move 

Are you a troll? Seriously?  I don't know about the PS3  version because I'm on a PC, so here a few things shooting down your points, assuming you're not a troll (although I am leaning towards that).

1) Read the box, I'm sure some mention is made somewhere about tactical combat.
2) Tactical combat involves thinking.
3) If you're smart and you actually switch to the hold position mode (or H on the PC), people will AMAZINGLY hold their positions and not move. Considering I've set up ambushes, I think I know what I'm talking about when I say they won't move one single step. If there's an equivalent in the console version, I suggest learning to use it. On the other hand, I've heard the console version is inferior control-wise, so eh. ** Edit - hmm, so from what else I've read you can't do that on the console. Okay, fair point on that one then.
4) The AI works if you actually adjust your tactics (the backslash key on the PC) and program your NPCs to use their abilities under whichever conditions (again, I have no idea whether or not that is doable on the consoles). It's your own @#$!ing fault if you fail to properly set up (if this option is available).
5) No one told you to take Shale with you to Caridin. There's always a danger in pushing any NPCs buttons. Accept the consequences of taking her and siding with Branka, or leave Shale back home before the fight. The game is all about hard choices, so you can consider THAT one of them.
6) It is ONLY under certain conditions that you have to wait for enemies to attack first, usually if it involves something scripted. Mostly, it's not a bloody problem - unless this is some weird console-specific lameness.
7) It's pretty much a given that ANY sustained ability drains mana. BTW, I've given Wynne Cleansing Aura, and it's much more useful instead of having to carry 10 million different injury kits. It's the height of stupidity to leave it on ALL the time, although you could. My suggestion is that you learn to read. It even states how much mana is required for upkeep when you mouse over things (no idea what the equivalent is on the console, but surely there is some similar way to check ability info). Ditto for any sustained combat abilities - the stamina cost & upkeep are listed.

Maybe a game involving riding a chocobo would be more appropriate for you?

Modifié par AtreiyaN7, 02 janvier 2010 - 07:12 .

[Chairchucker]

heat2008 wrote...

Trying to understand me is somewhat impossible considering I can't understand myself half the time.

Ah ha ha ha, yeah you're deep and complex and soulful, right?

Now from an outside perspective, what it seems like is you made some ridiculously stupid comments, got shut down massively by the majority of posters in the thread, backpedalled furiously to try to damage control how stupid you looked, and then ridiculed people who pointed out how stupid you looked, because "GOSH GUYS I WAS JUST ANGRY AND POSTING HOW COULD YOU BE SO STUPID AS TO TAKE MY INITIAL COMMENTS LITERALLY AND THEN NOT UNDERSTAND THAT MY FURIOUS BACKPEDALLING WAS MY REAL OPINIONS YOU MUST ALL BE DUMB, DANCE PUPPETS DANCE JUST GIVE UP YOU LOOK DUMB."

[heat2008]

Atreiya yes I am most definitely a troll. But for the sake of it let me see



1. I don't see your point.

2. Really? I thought because it was called tactical there was nothing such as tactics involved.

3. I'm pretty sure I've stated multiple times I'm quite adept at using hold and setting up my own makeshift ambushes.

4. Don't see your point here either.

5. I refuse to start on that again.

6. That may be so and the console has version has it's fair share of glitches.

7. No any sustained ability does NOT drain mana, or my constant use of arcane shield lies to me. Maybe only mine is glitched and doesn't drain my mana. UPKEEP means it takes x amount of mana to keep it up NOT it drains mana while sustained. There is a difference.



Chair you are either an incredible idiot or seriously immature, probably both. Yes one could consider my initial comment stupid, people often say stupid things in anger. Especially quick tempered people such as myself. But for me or any other person to not be able to calm down, then think about what they said and come to the conclusion they may have been unreasonable is ignant. Maybe I'm mature enough to look at something from another persons perspective and see that my own was flawed, oh but that's "backpedalling" as you call it. But where I'm from that's called understanding. Also I did not ridicule anybody, I simple retorted in the manner they posted. If I view your comment to be snide then I will reply in a snide manner, again you're probably too stupid to understand this concept as well. More importantly you obviously feel I'm stupid yet you took the time to post just to say "haha you're stupid" . But from my perspective the person who jumps in a conversation with a stupid person, just to say you're stupid is a fool. Only a retard is going to tell another retard they're retarded and then argue about it. So what does that make you hmm.

[Stuffy38]

Yep a lot of your points make sense. That Playstation error sounds like a pretty bad oversight, hopefully it'll get patched at some point. I agree about some mage abilities being a bit insipid - I would suggest Chain Lightning is a good example. Slow to cast and long-ish recharge time. Sometimes you can wind it up and by the time you've fired it the target mob is dead with a few arrows in it's skull.

I definately agree with you about having the drop on enemies but not being able to target them. It is quite frustrating. However it does allow you a little bit of leeway to steer your party members into position.

[metalica11]

heat2008 wrote...

You have your opinions, I have mine. We will never see eye to eye. I didn't say I was mad they got mad, I've done plenty of things my party members have disapproved of...except Morrigan we seem to think similarly.

I killed Wynne in the circle tower so she wouldn't have known about the ashes to start with, I don't like Leliana so she never left Loithering, I slit Zevrans throat for attacking me in the first place, as for Allister I haven't gotten that far yet so I have no clue what you're talking about. Or maybe I have and sided with him by default.

BUT going by how the game is set up it is possible to have no party members left but the main character in which case the game would probably become impossible to finish. I'm all for the approval system but if I have your approval maxed out and you leave because of one decision, yeah I'm gonna be pissed. Also I did not side with Branka, I just thought Caridin was being a little ****. As per the story Grey Wardens do whatever it takes to win, I'm supposed to feel bad about making an army of golems. More importantly just because HE misused the damn anvil doesn't mean another would. I will never agree with weak mindedness, oh I turned all these dwarfs into golems without their permission. Quit ****ing, we're at war. Thats how I think, in the game and personally.

Amstrad I'm glad you can make smart remarks, and point out the obviousness of the game. Shall you next bring up how mages are the only class that can use magic and warriors like to hit things? Or how about rouges being able to stealth because I assure you I did not know. While you're on the subject of rpg's, just what makes REAL one. So games that allow you to keep the characters you recruit don't count huh, those are just make believe. Heaven forbid I want to make my own choices in a game, free will is a terrible thing right. I bet.

Free will isnt the issue really, its the whining about having game altering consequences. You are basically stating that You wish to do as you please, with no consequences at all?  You are against a game with an actual GOOD companion AI?  well thats life, you do certain unspeakable acts, you pay for them. You would rather that your companions are unfeeling drones that could care less about what you do to them, or the ones that may actually mean something to them.  You would rather you abuse shayles one hope of finding her origins, have her shrug and say " yes master, you are the boss, i have no feelings".  You would rather have wynne state "oh that is fine dear, slaughter all my closest friends and the ones I have grown old with"  Just because YOU become attached to someone doesn't mean they have to put up with decisions that are detrimental to them.  YOU have a choice, thats all there is, The game doesn't end if you make the choice Your companion doesnt like, it goes on, and you have to live with it.  or simply save before certain plot points and try both paths. ( which is what I do for gaining achievements as they stay even if you reload to before you got them).  I for one am happy that my companions have actual depth. 

This is rather like stating that in an MMO, and you were partied with a couple people that are friends with eachother, and you kill one of them because you like thier loot, You would feel it wrong that their friend retaliate and snuff you?  simply because it didn't go Your ideal way doesnt make it wrong.

[heat2008]

Metalica I have said MANY times already that, yes I was being selfish/unreasonable/retarded whatever you want to put there. But what's even more retarded is the fact people keep saying the same **** AFTER I've already said it myself. Everybody that said something before I thought about it and looked at in from another perspective had the right to. But people such as yourself that hop on the bandwagon after the situation has been resolved are just flat out stupid. I can't even respect your opinion.



This is the FIRST rpg of this type I have played, I am not use to people up and leaving. I am use to mindless slaves, so yes it came as a shock. How many ****in times do I have to say this. I mean really now, if you see a burning building with a big ass sign in front that says "This building is on fire" and 20 people outside pointing and screaming "OMG that building is on fire" are you going to walk up to one of those 20 people and say "Hey, that building is on fire" Because that's what you're doing right now, it just makes you look stupid.



Most of my earlier comments where just me talking **** to people that made smart ass comments to me in the first place. Had somebody said something like "Although I can understand your frustration, you need to see it from the developers point of view. They wanted the characters to feel real, so they gave you real choices with real concequences in order to accomplish this" then I would have never said anything smart back myself. But 9/10 people took it upon themselves to reply in a smart ass manner, and you expect me to sit back and be like "Oh you're right, I totally understand. Thanks for clearing that up for me". **** I look like. Even if I did agree with what they said I still would have responded the way I did because of how they did. You don't have to agree with my opinion, you don't even have to like it but don't expect me to show respect when you're being disrespectful yourself. Anybody that responded respectfully got the same in return, same for those that responded like asses. That's all there is to it.

[Chairchucker]

heat2008 wrote...

Chair you are either an incredible idiot or seriously immature, probably both. Yes one could consider my initial comment stupid, people often say stupid things in anger. Especially quick tempered people such as myself. But for me or any other person to not be able to calm down, then think about what they said and come to the conclusion they may have been unreasonable is ignant.

That's not really what happened though, is it? You kept abusing people for pointing out why your complaints were not very good ones. Let's see some of your responses...

"Now please do type some more so I can laugh, his is quite enjoyable for
me. At least the other two seemed smart. At the very least could read."

"That would make you an idiot as well. As he countered nothing and
brought up all invalid points. Thanks for reading, no really. Thanks
for reading."

"Lotion, did you type all that just to see yourself type? I think you did."

"It does not bother me being called a dolt by someone I deem self imposed mentally handicapped."

"Revik, I think you need to learn to read before you post self righteous bull****."

" If people were smart..."

" but after I have already said this myself it just makes your comments unnecessary and very idiotic depending. "

Ha ha yeah, I'm the immature one.

Not sure what 'ignant' is, perhaps it's the latest invention from the good people at Apple? I picture some kind of white metallic insect. The iGnant, you want one because all of your friends have one!

But I digress.

heat2008 wrote...
Maybe I'm mature enough to look at something from another persons perspective and see that my own was flawed, oh but that's "backpedalling" as you call it. But where I'm from that's called understanding.

Yep, you sure have been showing off your maturity.

heat2008 wrote...
Also I did not ridicule anybody, I simple retorted in the manner they posted.

The two actions are not mutually exclusive; nonetheless, I would maintain that there is at least one example that runs directly counter to your claim.

heat2008 wrote...
If I view your comment to be snide then I will reply in a snide manner, again you're probably too stupid to understand this concept as well.

You don't understand me! None of you understand me! No one can understand my tortured genius! *Listens to Linkin Park, gets angry at parents for refusing to purchasing more black hair dye.*

heat2008 wrote...
More importantly you obviously feel I'm stupid yet you took the time to post just to say "haha you're stupid".

I'm on holidays! Tis the season!

heat2008 wrote...
But from my perspective the person who jumps in a conversation with a stupid person, just to say you're stupid is a fool. Only a retard is going to tell another retard they're retarded and then argue about it. So what does that make you hmm.

An interesting question that presupposes I'm going to be agreeing with your starting position (that being the self apparent idiocy of one who suggests someone else is an idiot.) What you have just said said is the approximate equivalent of 'it takes one to know one' or 'I know you are but what am I.' Not since Primary school have I encountered someone who genuinely supported such a position. Therefore, since I am rejecting your position regarding those who comment on people they think are fools (Your apparent position being that they, themselves, are also fools) my answer to your question is that it does not tell us anything about what I am.

[heat2008]

You certainly proved your maturity and intellectual prowess there, bravo sir. Shall I now offer you a cookie?

[ejoslin]

heat2008 wrote...

2. If I myself am doing 50% of the damage and there are 3 other people in the party the other mage is not going to be able to output 50% as well. Unless my other 2 party members are just standing there looking stupid. And by your account I'm sure you think that.

Do you always take the exact same party?  And have they been with you since the very beginning of the game?  It's total damage done over the course of the game, not of the particular zone you're in.

[stribies]

i like goat age better

[Zavrian]

Don't feed the troll.

[Realmzmaster]

ejoslin wrote...

heat2008 wrote...

2. If I myself am doing 50% of the damage and there are 3 other people in the party the other mage is not going to be able to output 50% as well. Unless my other 2 party members are just standing there looking stupid. And by your account I'm sure you think that.

Do you always take the exact same party?  And have they been with you since the very beginning of the game?  It's total damage done over the course of the game, not of the particular zone you're in.

Well according to heat2008, he killed Wynne and Zevran. He left Leliana in Lothering. Shale turned on him. So his party companions are Sten, Alistair, Morrigan, Dog , Oghren and his PC. I do not know if he has made the Landsmeet for the secret companion. So I can only assume his party is made up of companions from that group.

[AtreiyaN7]

heat2008 wrote...

Atreiya yes I am most definitely a troll. But for the sake of it let me see

1. I don't see your point.
2. Really? I thought because it was called tactical there was nothing such as tactics involved.
3. I'm pretty sure I've stated multiple times I'm quite adept at using hold and setting up my own makeshift ambushes.
4. Don't see your point here either.
5. I refuse to start on that again.
6. That may be so and the console has version has it's fair share of glitches.
7. No any sustained ability does NOT drain mana, or my constant use of arcane shield lies to me. Maybe only mine is glitched and doesn't drain my mana. UPKEEP means it takes x amount of mana to keep it up NOT it drains mana while sustained. There is a difference.

Chair you are either an incredible idiot or seriously immature, probably both. Yes one could consider my initial comment stupid, people often say stupid things in anger. Especially quick tempered people such as myself. But for me or any other person to not be able to calm down, then think about what they said and come to the conclusion they may have been unreasonable is ignant. Maybe I'm mature enough to look at something from another persons perspective and see that my own was flawed, oh but that's "backpedalling" as you call it. But where I'm from that's called understanding. Also I did not ridicule anybody, I simple retorted in the manner they posted. If I view your comment to be snide then I will reply in a snide manner, again you're probably too stupid to understand this concept as well. More importantly you obviously feel I'm stupid yet you took the time to post just to say "haha you're stupid" . But from my perspective the person who jumps in a conversation with a stupid person, just to say you're stupid is a fool. Only a retard is going to tell another retard they're retarded and then argue about it. So what does that make you hmm.

Yes, well a post like yours generally attracts sarcasm, and I was using it (surprise). If you want to snark right back, go ahead, but I think a lot of people don't seem to hold your opinion in especially high regard. If you can't program your tactics, that's your failing and not the game's. You're the one who complaining about ineffective AI. If you want to make stupid choices in the game, that's also your fault and not the game's. As far as I'm concerned,  I don't really give a flying fig how you behave or what you say, given your responses to other people. Regarding the last item, why yes, my bad on that. I should've said SOME sustained abilities do drain stamina or mana rather  than saying all - the fact remains that if you want to waste part of your mana pool in upkeep to maintain cleansing aura constantly, that's another bad deciision on your part. It's a good, useful ability, but feel free to ignore that.I generally try to see things from the other person's perspective and am often a proponent of that very thing when examining character motivations. However, I just think your perspective is fairly worthless, but continue on. I'm not the one lacking in judgment, starting threads with inflammatory titles on purpose.

Modifié par AtreiyaN7, 02 janvier 2010 - 09:28 .

[Bullets McDeath]

Throughout the history of this board, every one of these "CURSE YOU DRAGON AGE!!!" threads end up being the same Q_Q b.s. from people who flat out suck at the game. We should stop having lengthy debates with these morons and wasting forum space. I submit for all future threads like this we all just say:

L2P u fuggin n00b

Because that's all there is to say, really.

Modifié par outlaworacle, 02 janvier 2010 - 09:34 .

[heat2008]

Ejoslin, yes I used the same party members throughout the entire game...until I pissed shale off and had to put her down. Then I started using Allister.



Atreiya my initial post was me ranting, it was not directed at any particular person so no responder had any real reason to reply in a smart ass manner. Some people did not. Also I never complained about the AI's tactics, the only thing I said about the AI is you can not move your entire party at once and you can't truly ambush enemies. Random smart ass posters pulled battle tactics out of nowhere, I had nothing to do with that. As for as Cleansing Aura goes, once again all I said was it had a constant mana drain which it does not tell you. The only use I saw for that spell was the aoe healing and if it drains mana, heavily at that, I see no need for it therefore I do not use it nor have I spec'd that far into spirit healer again. And no you did NOT try to see it from my perspective like the majority of the people that posted, you just assumed I was an idiot and posted accordingly. But had you tried you would have saw after taking other peoples viewpoints into consideration I agree with Biowares decision to make companions how they made them.



Outlaw you're right, I'm terribad. I should just quit the game and never play again. Woe is me.

[Bullets McDeath]

heat2008 wrote...
Outlaw you're right, I'm terribad. I should just quit the game and never play again. Woe is me.

It's often tough being right, but for what it's worth, you're welcome.

[TUHD]

Let's quit the bashing shall we?.. I also wondered when I read heat's posts, but it's just his opinion...



Anyway... I COULD repeat the arguments of the others, but they're already dead horses.... no need to pull them anymore...



My thoughts... DA:O has some nasty errors in it... personally I play the PC version (which has the nasty memory leak bug, but it goes okay for the rest, except some other irritating stuff), but it seems the consoles got the major amount of problems...

IMHO, Bioware wrote a GREAT story, although they made mistakes with the morals (look in my posting history, in my profile under 'Forums' for my thread about the moral errors and some other things).

[metalica11]

heat2008 wrote...

Metalica I have said MANY times already that, yes I was being selfish/unreasonable/retarded whatever you want to put there. But what's even more retarded is the fact people keep saying the same **** AFTER I've already said it myself. Everybody that said something before I thought about it and looked at in from another perspective had the right to. But people such as yourself that hop on the bandwagon after the situation has been resolved are just flat out stupid. I can't even respect your opinion.

This is the FIRST rpg of this type I have played, I am not use to people up and leaving. I am use to mindless slaves, so yes it came as a shock. How many ****in times do I have to say this. I mean really now, if you see a burning building with a big ass sign in front that says "This building is on fire" and 20 people outside pointing and screaming "OMG that building is on fire" are you going to walk up to one of those 20 people and say "Hey, that building is on fire" Because that's what you're doing right now, it just makes you look stupid.

Most of my earlier comments where just me talking **** to people that made smart ass comments to me in the first place. Had somebody said something like "Although I can understand your frustration, you need to see it from the developers point of view. They wanted the characters to feel real, so they gave you real choices with real concequences in order to accomplish this" then I would have never said anything smart back myself. But 9/10 people took it upon themselves to reply in a smart ass manner, and you expect me to sit back and be like "Oh you're right, I totally understand. Thanks for clearing that up for me". **** I look like. Even if I did agree with what they said I still would have responded the way I did because of how they did. You don't have to agree with my opinion, you don't even have to like it but don't expect me to show respect when you're being disrespectful yourself. Anybody that responded respectfully got the same in return, same for those that responded like asses. That's all there is to it.

 
I see, and I will admit I should have read past the first page,  nuff said, but thank you for responding to it in depth instead of just saying " ****** ****" lol

[metalica11]

TUHD wrote...

Let's quit the bashing shall we?.. I also wondered when I read heat's posts, but it's just his opinion...

Anyway... I COULD repeat the arguments of the others, but they're already dead horses.... no need to pull them anymore...

My thoughts... DA:O has some nasty errors in it... personally I play the PC version (which has the nasty memory leak bug, but it goes okay for the rest, except some other irritating stuff), but it seems the consoles got the major amount of problems...
IMHO, Bioware wrote a GREAT story, although they made mistakes with the morals (look in my posting history, in my profile under 'Forums' for my thread about the moral errors and some other things).

Morals are like  sexuality, its different for everyone.  I agree there are things that are just reprehensible in this world, but having a no nonsense attitude, or winning by almost any means isn't really a fault.  and as in real life, if our lives were to hang on one of the only people that could save us, we would be willing to overlook alot more from them than usual.  In the game, you eventually wind up dead or the hero of ferelden , a living hero, in the storyline there is a huge emphasis on redemption, so ending the blight is seen as the ultimate redemption, no matter the methods it is forgiven.