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[Verum_Dicere]

After playing both a DW
warrior and a DW cunning based rogue, I've found that the rogue far out
classes the DW warrior in pure DPS due in no small part to the back-stab
multiplier. On the other hand, the warrior had significantly higher
survivability do to their high grade armor. Which got me thinking: what if you
were to combine the survivability of a warrior with the back-stab
potential of a rogue.

Attributes: Minimum 36 Dex to get all of the DW talents.
Minimum 38 strength to wear Evon the Great's Mail with Wade's Superior
gloves & boots which will give you a low fatigue rating. The
remainder in cunning to get IV coercion and added armor penetration.

Specializations: Duelist & Bard up until Distraction.

Talents: Obviously all of the DW tree. Almost all in the Dirty
Fighting tree except Feign Death. Finally, all but one skill in the Dirty
Fighting Tree could be used effectively since only Lethality is cunning
dependent.

Result: Dirty Fighting, Riposte and Distraction will set up your Coup
de Grace passive scoring an instant back-stab. Suppose the enemy
doesn't get stunned, which is the case of most elite bosses. No worries!
You're strength based rogue can go toe to toe with that Revenant until
your tank takes the aggro so you can swoop behind for the back-stab.

Of course this is all theoretical but, it seems somewhat viable. Has
anyone tried this? If so, how effective were you at dispatching things?

[Blazomancer]

It is viable, no doubt, but the damage dealing potential will be reduced a bit as points will get distributed into both strength and cunning. You'll have weaker bard songs, and lesser damage from tainted blade because of comparatively less cunning. In my opinion, assassin is the best specialization for a backstabbing rogue, because of exploit weakness which also depends upon cunning. Your warden will still be formidable but not as efficient a killing beast as a cunning based backstabber. Of course, you'll have higher survivability but why would a rogue need survivability when a tank is doing it's job properly.

[Verum_Dicere]

I know that overall, they won't be as effective as a cunning rouge but honestly, I just want to try something completely different . Hm... you make a good point. I had thought about assassin as my specialization but since most of the assassin skill are cunning dependent I was shying away from it. Also, there is the Legionnaire Scout in Awakening which would benefit this build significantly.

Modifié par Verum_Dicere, 19 octobre 2012 - 02:06 .

[jhood_shsu]

You only need 38 total str to wear heavy dragon bone armor. That means that you can use the +# attributes from accessories in your calculations. I think you'll only need to get base Str up to 30, and dont forget about the permanent bonuses in the fade.

The more points you can put in Dex and Cun the better your rogue will be.

Also quick note, pumping Dex will increase your defense as well as attack making you harder to hit. Its actually quite easy to get your defense to the point that you cannot be hit by anything other than "unblockable" moves, i.e. grabs by the ogre or tackle by the mabaris.

[Blazomancer]

Yes Legionnaire Scout will make things easier, so you can respec and get some of your points used in strength back.
And I agree with you that doing things differently and unconventionally brings in a fresh change; i remember putting Zevran in warden commander armor once, just for the sake of it.

[Verum_Dicere]

jhood_shsu wrote...

You only need 38 total str to wear heavy dragon bone armor. That means that you can use the +# attributes from accessories in your calculations. I think you'll only need to get base Str up to 30, and dont forget about the permanent bonuses in the fade.

The more points you can put in Dex and Cun the better your rogue will be.

Also quick note, pumping Dex will increase your defense as well as attack making you harder to hit. Its actually quite easy to get your defense to the point that you cannot be hit by anything other than "unblockable" moves, i.e. grabs by the ogre or tackle by the mabaris.

That's a good point. But, I'm actually gonna go for Evon's instead of the heavy dragon plate since it has very low fatigue. Plus, I'd still be wanting my tank to well, tank  so I won't be massive armors. I'll probably keep my base strength somewhere in the neighborhood of 30. Know of any equipment that boosts strength?

[Verum_Dicere]

Blazomancer wrote...

Yes Legionnaire Scout will make things easier, so you can respec and get some of your points used in strength back.
And I agree with you that doing things differently and unconventionally brings in a fresh change; i remember putting Zevran in warden commander armor once, just for the sake of it.

Zevran: You're equiping me with this (points at heavy armor)? Why are you doing sucha thing?
You're Warden: Cuz I'm Yo Warden! That's why!

[Blazomancer]

lol, yes.

By the way, if you want to go the temporary strength increasing way for Evon's, you will be able to get by with just 20 Strength after Dual-Weapon Mastery.

Helm of Honnleath, Key to the City, Harvest Festival Ring, Andruil's Blessing, Heart of Witherfang, Shadow of the Empire, The Reaper's Cudgel, Vanguard together adds up to +18 Strength.

At that point, it'd be better if you invested three more points in strength, equip the Effort's gloves, and equip Cailan's Armor Set. Lol, it's massive armor but doesn't matter with the insane -25% fatigue set bonus. Assuming you have all the DLC's of course.

[Verum_Dicere]

Blazomancer wrote...

lol, yes.

By the way, if you want to go the temporary strength increasing way for Evon's, you will be able to get by with just 20 Strength after Dual-Weapon Mastery.

Helm of Honnleath, Key to the City, Harvest Festival Ring, Andruil's Blessing, Heart of Witherfang, Shadow of the Empire, The Reaper's Cudgel, Vanguard together adds up to +18 Strength.

At that point, it'd be better if you invested three more points in strength, equip the Effort's gloves, and equip Cailan's Armor Set. Lol, it's massive armor but doesn't matter with the insane -25% fatigue set bonus. Assuming you have all the DLC's of course.

The only DLC I have is Warden's Keep. I've been considering getting Return to Ostegar and the one where get Shale since it sounds like you can get some pretty fancy pants stuff. Any other's that give you some cool stuff? 

[keeneaow]

here's some cool stuff
http://dragonage.nex...ds.com/mods/512 (a memory band upgrade, so you actually reach lv 25)
http://dragonage.nex...s.com/mods/1342 (sexy clothing armor)
http://dragonage.nex...s.com/mods/1825 (for easy hacking items)
..but above all
http://dragonage.nex...s.com/mods/1741 (a better DLC than all others combined, more epic fights than the rest of DA combined, and extra armor too)
PS: forgot to mention: all is FREE

Modifié par keeneaow, 19 octobre 2012 - 08:36 .

[Blazomancer]

Verum_Dicere wrote...

The only DLC I have is Warden's Keep. I've been considering getting Return to Ostegar and the one where get Shale since it sounds like you can get some pretty fancy pants stuff. Any other's that give you some cool stuff? 

All the DLC's provide at least one powerful item, but if you are not planning to buy all of them, then the two you mentioned will give the most bang for your bucks. You can always check out the dragon age wiki to see what gear interests you.