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[ColdFusionN]

This discussion is hilarious, anywho, if someone wants Morrigan to like you, give her the black grimoire you find in one of the rooms on Cicle Tower.

Then she'll talk more about herself.

Agree with the pretty eyes comment

[Spectre 117]

Yeah she's a b but somehow her attitude makes you want to keep coming to her its weird :l

[EJon]

You can choose to become morrigans "friend" or "lover". Many people think that because she wants the PC to break up with her its because she's a ****, or because she wants the Ritual done she's never cared for him.



If you actually listened to the dialogue and chose certain choices in them, you'll find out that she used to be with guys who lusted after her, not the other way around, and saw men as selfish desires or something like that. She will then reveal to the PC that she does in fact love and care for him, but doesn't have any experience with it since you're the first man to actually care for her genuinely other than lustfully like the other men.



The reason she wants you to break up with her is because she finds herself "wanting" the PC, and doesn't think thats the way a woman should act, hence her saying she has no experience with love.



In the end, when she proposes the Dark ritual, and you ask her if this was her plan all along, she will say yes - to perform the ritual, but that she never planned on caring for your character along the way. She will then say that she loves the PC, but knows she has a duty to do that is far more important. And that she's doing it in part for him so that he won't die.



So to all of you people fussing over the Morrigan romance, it really wasn't that bad. I did Leliana on my first playthrough, she was the hardest to get, but Morrigan, in my opinion, is a far more interesting character. I hope Bioware does something significant in the sequel in regards to her romance, if you chose her.



But relating to the thread, i choose Morrigan.

[Spectre 117]

EJon wrote...

You can choose to become morrigans "friend" or "lover". Many people think that because she wants the PC to break up with her its because she's a ****, or because she wants the Ritual done she's never cared for him.

If you actually listened to the dialogue and chose certain choices in them, you'll find out that she used to be with guys who lusted after her, not the other way around, and saw men as selfish desires or something like that. She will then reveal to the PC that she does in fact love and care for him, but doesn't have any experience with it since you're the first man to actually care for her genuinely other than lustfully like the other men.

The reason she wants you to break up with her is because she finds herself "wanting" the PC, and doesn't think thats the way a woman should act, hence her saying she has no experience with love.

In the end, when she proposes the Dark ritual, and you ask her if this was her plan all along, she will say yes - to perform the ritual, but that she never planned on caring for your character along the way. She will then say that she loves the PC, but knows she has a duty to do that is far more important. And that she's doing it in part for him so that he won't die.

So to all of you people fussing over the Morrigan romance, it really wasn't that bad. I did Leliana on my first playthrough, she was the hardest to get, but Morrigan, in my opinion, is a far more interesting character. I hope Bioware does something significant in the sequel in regards to her romance, if you chose her.

But relating to the thread, i choose Morrigan.

Hey i was thinking about something since She has plemeths grimoire,what if the sequel is 75 years after the first one and you have female mage in your party that is an apostate and later on is revealed that she is morrigan who took posession of a child she raised O_O?

[EJon]

I don't think Bioware will do that, because not everyone did the ritual. I think sequel will be a few years after Origins. Maybe 2-3 years. 2 perhaps, since they did that with another game that came out 2 years later, but thats just my guess.



Anyways, it will have to be in sort of a generic time period, and Morrigans story can't be the center of it. The developers did indeed say that we haven't seen the last of her, but they also said that people are making her story out to be larger than it actually is. I believe it will play a minimum role in the next game. Sort of like a sidequest, but not exactly short. She may even be recruitable for your party in the next game, or she may be a cameo. We won't know till later on.



Bioware will probably allow the decisions to carry over and trigger different sequences based on what you did. For example: If you romanced her, and did the ritual. If you romanced someone else and did the ritual. If you romanced her and didn't do the ritual. If you didn't romance her nor did the ritual.



That would be one small decision that would probably be transferred over into the sequel, and the consequences of those choices will all be different. Similar to the way decisions are being ported from Mass Effect to Mass Effect 2. Who you made king, who died, etc...

[Taritu]

Leiliana

[Archonsg]

You guys do realize that Morrigan very possibly became Flemmeth right? Or rather, at the end, it seemed to me that Flemmeth and Morrigan had merged and while Flemmeth had successfully taken over Morrigan's body, Morrigan's memories and her feelings were still there for Flemmeth to experience. Thus her flip / flop, hot and cold attitude towards you at the end.



Lelianna on the otherhand, while she might be a crazy, she's my kind of loyal crazy. I'd take that any day over someone who'll bed you (or gods forbid, Loghain...Eeuuuggh!) just to beget a demon / old god-child and not want you in her life any more.

Heck, I'd even take Wynne for that matter, if I can pry her away from Orghren and if she'd had a mind towards a union over Morrigan. An Abomination she might be, but she's a loyal one.

[EJon]

She didn't become Flemmeth. If you killed Flemmeth, she's dead, for now. She will most likely find a way to come back, but not into Morrigan - someone else.



The reason she does a "flip/flop" as you say is because it was her whole purpose for being on the trip with you. If you romanced her, she will reveal this, but say that caring for you was never part of the plan, it was unexpected. She didn't flip flop, but said that she had a responsibility to uphold regardless of the romance. It was more important than you and her.

[AsheraII]

Flemeth took over Morrigan the moment you killed her, much like an Archdemon takes over a minion when killed by anything but something of its own blood. So Morrigans' mistake was, that she should've dealt the killing blow herself.

[Spectre 117]

AsheraII wrote...

Flemeth took over Morrigan the moment you killed her, much like an Archdemon takes over a minion when killed by anything but something of its own blood. So Morrigans' mistake was, that she should've dealt the killing blow herself.

How are you so sure about that?I mean you dont have to kill plemeth just take the grimoire and she will believe you kill her and in doing so the flip flop still happens :l

[Selej]

As the earlier poster commented, it isn't because Morrigan is possessed by Flemmeth that she behaves the way she does when she falls for you. She spells it out to you that she's used to being lusted after and vice versa towards men. She's not used to feeling anything more. She even goes to say how she feels when she looks at you and being around you, also commenting that she doesn't think this is how a normal woman acts. She is convinced that love is a weakness, a cancer as she said to Leiliana during their party banter, and that she is accustomed to lust and respect for someone, not love. So when she finds herself falling in love with you, she sees that as a weakness for her (as she didn't know you loved her back when she intially tells you, well unless you tell her after of course) and doesn't want that weakness in her life, hence she tearfully asks you to end it. She believes that it will cure the weakness of her caring for you.



In the dark ritual, she even says she originally was going to do the ritual anyways but she never planned on caring for you. It does make her want to save you, all that much more. If you talk to her before the big fight with the archdemon, she even says that if they were two different people at a different time, she would be able to be so much more to the PC and that she regrets that it has to end this way. If you choose to chase after her, it even says in the epilogue that she regrets it and is sad about it.

[EJon]

Selej wrote...

As the earlier poster commented, it isn't because Morrigan is possessed by Flemmeth that she behaves the way she does when she falls for you. She spells it out to you that she's used to being lusted after and vice versa towards men. She's not used to feeling anything more. She even goes to say how she feels when she looks at you and being around you, also commenting that she doesn't think this is how a normal woman acts. She is convinced that love is a weakness, a cancer as she said to Leiliana during their party banter, and that she is accustomed to lust and respect for someone, not love. So when she finds herself falling in love with you, she sees that as a weakness for her (as she didn't know you loved her back when she intially tells you, well unless you tell her after of course) and doesn't want that weakness in her life, hence she tearfully asks you to end it. She believes that it will cure the weakness of her caring for you.

In the dark ritual, she even says she originally was going to do the ritual anyways but she never planned on caring for you. It does make her want to save you, all that much more. If you talk to her before the big fight with the archdemon, she even says that if they were two different people at a different time, she would be able to be so much more to the PC and that she regrets that it has to end this way. If you choose to chase after her, it even says in the epilogue that she regrets it and is sad about it.

Your completely right up until the point where you assume Flemmeth possessed her. She did not. She died, and she went to the Fade where she will wait to take another body. No where in the game does it state that she possessed her. And even if you don't do the Grimoire quest, she acts the same during the end of the game. Stop stating this theory as if its proven fact.

[Naqey]

Morrigan. She is waaaay more powerful than Leliana, mage that she is. Have her and Wynne on the party and nobody will stop you



But, oh, this thread is about romance, right?

Well then, Morrigan still. I don't exactely mind Leliana's religiousness as I can rather sympathize with that, but still I'd go for Morrigan.

I haven't played with a male character yet, but I love the way Morrigan behaved in a friendship. Her shy, insecure approach, when you could really feel that she is being sincere here.



I pretty much know how the romance with her goes along (too much time spent in the spoiler section of the forums), and the way she breaks away because she is afraid of real feelings... even walking out on you in the end... has a sweet tragic touch, and tragedy really gets me hooked.

[Selej]

EJon wrote...

Selej wrote...

As the earlier poster commented, it isn't because Morrigan is possessed by Flemmeth that she behaves the way she does when she falls for you. She spells it out to you that she's used to being lusted after and vice versa towards men. She's not used to feeling anything more. She even goes to say how she feels when she looks at you and being around you, also commenting that she doesn't think this is how a normal woman acts. She is convinced that love is a weakness, a cancer as she said to Leiliana during their party banter, and that she is accustomed to lust and respect for someone, not love. So when she finds herself falling in love with you, she sees that as a weakness for her (as she didn't know you loved her back when she intially tells you, well unless you tell her after of course) and doesn't want that weakness in her life, hence she tearfully asks you to end it. She believes that it will cure the weakness of her caring for you.

In the dark ritual, she even says she originally was going to do the ritual anyways but she never planned on caring for you. It does make her want to save you, all that much more. If you talk to her before the big fight with the archdemon, she even says that if they were two different people at a different time, she would be able to be so much more to the PC and that she regrets that it has to end this way. If you choose to chase after her, it even says in the epilogue that she regrets it and is sad about it.

Your completely right up until the point where you assume Flemmeth possessed her. She did not. She died, and she went to the Fade where she will wait to take another body. No where in the game does it state that she possessed her. And even if you don't do the Grimoire quest, she acts the same during the end of the game. Stop stating this theory as if its proven fact.

I may have misworded it but I was saying that Flemmeth did *not* possess her as someone else had pointed out.

[Spectre 117]

It wasnt he who pointed out that theory it was AsheraII but i know how you feel its really annoying when people point out a theory as a given fact when they dont have proof D:!!

[Lotion Soronarr]

Morrigans eyes are a big turn-off for me. Intense and captivating eyes are one thing, but hers are just...unnatural.



Not to mention that a femme fatale, man-eater type is not my type...Result. Leli, all the time, every time.

[andybuiadh]

Aye, It's Leli all the way for me. I can't do a playthrough without romancing her now.

[keesio74]

I'd like to try romancing just Morrigan but I find it hard to turn down Leliana. She is so sweet.



And when you sacrifice yourself to defeat the archdemon, her epilogue story where she kills herself "to be with you" probably moved me more than anything else in the game. After reading that, it's hard for me to ever turn her down.

[craigdolphin]

Leliana all the way!

Modifié par craigdolphin, 31 décembre 2009 - 09:34 .

[Squiggles1334]

I still don't buy the suicide interpretation of Leliana's epilogue post-sacrifice.

[andybuiadh]

keesio74 wrote...
And when you sacrifice yourself to defeat the archdemon, her epilogue story where she kills herself "to be with you" probably moved me more than anything else in the game. After reading that, it's hard for me to ever turn her down.

I'm with you on that one, I got that on my first playthrough and stuck by her since.

[PatchWorks]

Morrigan romance is appealing in a masochistic manner I suppose.

What is plainly obvious with Morrigan is that shes completely deceitful and conniving (besides being extremely disagreeable and frankly mean).  With Morrigan, you never really know where you stand, even if you do get her to admit she cares for you.  I mean, for gods sake, lying is her M.O.  In fact, you get clues all the time from your other companions about how duplicitous she is:

   
# Shale: The swamp witch desires something from it.
# Morrigan: From what? Ah... you mean from him. (Chuckles) And if I do? What of it?
# Shale: It is aware of the swamp witch's true nature?
# Morrigan: Let me guess. You know my true nature?
# Shale: I have spent a great deal of time observing the world. I know what I see when I see it.

   
# I do not think you a fool, my lovely woman. We are not so dissimilar, after all. I know what you are doing.
# Morrigan: And what is it that you think I'm doing? Besides the Grey Warden, that is.
# Zevran: Biding your time, naturally. But for what, I wonder?
# Morrigan: Why don't you ask him, if you're so curious.
# Zevran: I doubt that he even knows. I am content to wait and see for myself, however.

etc. etc. etc.

Resultantly, any exhortations of affection coming from her have to be taken with a grain of salt.

Leliana, on the other hand, is geniunely affectionate.  Wynne goes so far as to describe her as guileless.  Leliana also has plenty of experience in the romance department, so is not heading into a serious relationship with you like some love struck teenager (or as the case may be, a socially awkward forest witch).  She also happens to know a thing or two about bedroom play.  Outside the boudoir, a relationship with her is equally fulfilling as she is extremely wordly, and always has interesting stories tell, of which she is as eager to listen to as well.

Objectively, it should be no contest.  But, I suppose, the "bad girl" archetypes like Morrigan will always prove more alluring to some.data:image/png;base64,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%3D

[Ameraudur_]

Cammy2709 wrote...

I love Claudia Black's voice. I actually want her voice to narrate my life. It would be awesome.  

That's so funny, and I agree totally!!