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[Sopec]

100RenegadePoints wrote...

Clearly Balkan wrote...

#LOL at all the whining about Dragoons !

PATHETIC

LMAO i cracked up!

[Arppis]

Their speed is riddicilous indeed, they can catch up on me as I sprint on my N7 Paladin and while they do that they fire their guns.

[Denali21]

I think their AI is stupid the way the ignore everything but what they locked onto. You can be standing right next to your team and couple Dragoons lock on to you, no amount of damage they take form any other person will change their target. They are suicidal and single minded with no variety in their tactics.

[Yoshiyuki Ly]

[OuterRim]

The Dragoon is the dumbest unit out there. their fast, but have a very slow whip animation, suffer from target tunnel vision, mindless lack of self preservation, Use it against them.

[AsheraII]

LeandroBraz wrote...

I think that there's too much dragoon spawn on some waves, but there's nothing to be fixed on the enemy, definitely not to be fixed to make solo easier...

Exactly, and to add to that:

The name Dragoon carries EXACTLY what they're supposed to be:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragoon

Mobile and fast infantry units, over time they got some small armor updates as well, evolving their use into light cavalry. They were very often used to break riots and flush union-members out of their barricades.
And that's exactly what they are in Mass Effect as well: very mobile and fast infantry units with a bit of armor, trying to force you out of cover.

So tell me, why nerf their speed? They'll no longer be Dragoons!
Nerf their armor? They'll no longer be Dragoons!
Maybe tweak their strategy (AI) a little bit or fiddle with their damage output, but even that doesn't have to be radical. And it certainly doesn't have to cater to the Solo players. Pick another enemy if you can't handle the Cerbies. I hear complaints about Reapers being too easy these days.

[Arppis]

Yoshiyuki Ly wrote...

Well that calmed me down.

[Seer235]

I'm fine with the idea of the Dragoon, and they're abilities are fine as well. What bothers me is that especially in gold, when Dragoons are around, they're basically going to be 80% of what you kill. They simply force you to grind through the constant rushing waves of Dragoons. Even if you try to back away they'll just rush after you. Easy to kill or not, it's annoying and not very fun. Jumping in and trying to flush you out of cover is fine, but when a Dragoon dies I'd rather a newly spawned Dragoon NOT immediately rush across the map at light speed to get in your face and die again. This just creates a conga line of respawning Dragoons which isn't very fun or varied.

[Arppis]

AsheraII wrote...

LeandroBraz wrote...

I think that there's too much dragoon spawn on some waves, but there's nothing to be fixed on the enemy, definitely not to be fixed to make solo easier...

Exactly, and to add to that:

The name Dragoon carries EXACTLY what they're supposed to be:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragoon

Mobile and fast infantry units, over time they got some small armor updates as well, evolving their use into light cavalry. They were very often used to break riots and flush union-members out of their barricades.
And that's exactly what they are in Mass Effect as well: very mobile and fast infantry units with a bit of armor, trying to force you out of cover.

So tell me, why nerf their speed? They'll no longer be Dragoons!
Nerf their armor? They'll no longer be Dragoons!
Maybe tweak their strategy (AI) a little bit or fiddle with their damage output, but even that doesn't have to be radical. And it certainly doesn't have to cater to the Solo players. Pick another enemy if you can't handle the Cerbies. I hear complaints about Reapers being too easy these days.

If they don't get the nerf to speed or armor... they should get nerf to the guns. Imo, they shouldn't be able to run and shoot so accurately.

[AsheraII]

Arppis wrote...

Their speed is riddicilous indeed, they can catch up on me as I sprint on my N7 Paladin and while they do that they fire their guns.

Occasionally, interrupt your running for about a second with a normal walk, especially when you have to turn around a corner or something. They'll try to charge you, but by the time they actually charge, you're already running again in a different direction. Chances are, you broke line of sight, and they'll start looking for another target.

[Arppis]

AsheraII wrote...

Arppis wrote...

Their speed is riddicilous indeed, they can catch up on me as I sprint on my N7 Paladin and while they do that they fire their guns.

Occasionally, interrupt your running for about a second with a normal walk, especially when you have to turn around a corner or something. They'll try to charge you, but by the time they actually charge, you're already running again in a different direction. Chances are, you broke line of sight, and they'll start looking for another target.

Sadly they were able to shoot me down as they spring and shoot. So there was nothing I could do in that sittulation.

[N7-RedFox]

Banshee slayer123 wrote...

 I was doing a bronze just now and failed the hack four ****s thing because they wouldent stop spawning!!! I tried going to the other side of map but there ability to use sonic ****ing speed prevents me to hack the god damn objective!!!! Bioware either remove them or nerf there speed, ehip spam and ****ing spawn type!!!! Thank you very ****ing much!

I had the exact same problem when doing the 4 hack objective on gold. I'd kill all 3 Dragoons with a missile then begin the hack. Then they'd be on me, respawned before i'd even got it half done. No matter how many times i killed them they always got back my hack device before i could cap it.

[CmnDwnWrkn]

I hope they buff the Dragoons to make you even angrier.

[LeandroBraz]

AsheraII wrote...

LeandroBraz wrote...

I think that there's too much dragoon spawn on some waves, but there's nothing to be fixed on the enemy, definitely not to be fixed to make solo easier...

Exactly, and to add to that:

The name Dragoon carries EXACTLY what they're supposed to be:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragoon

Mobile and fast infantry units, over time they got some small armor updates as well, evolving their use into light cavalry. They were very often used to break riots and flush union-members out of their barricades.
And that's exactly what they are in Mass Effect as well: very mobile and fast infantry units with a bit of armor, trying to force you out of cover.

So tell me, why nerf their speed? They'll no longer be Dragoons!
Nerf their armor? They'll no longer be Dragoons!
Maybe tweak their strategy (AI) a little bit or fiddle with their damage output, but even that doesn't have to be radical. And it certainly doesn't have to cater to the Solo players. Pick another enemy if you can't handle the Cerbies. I hear complaints about Reapers being too easy these days.

I didn't knew the origin of the name, nice post..

[Computron2000]

LeandroBraz wrote...

Okay, you are just forgetting one detail, you was doing solo. This game allow you to play alone, we created a culture over it, with all the solo master on this community, then Bioware decided to give something to this solo players, when they developed their challenge system, BUT this game is a COOP..

The enemies don't have to be changed to make solo easier, the challenge on solo is to do alone what you should do with 4 persons, so deal with that. The dragoons force you to have at least two persons doing the objectives (mostly device and pizza), since they are fast and wont think twice before hitting you.

I think that there's too much dragoon spawn on some waves, but there's nothing to be fixed on the enemy, definitely not to be fixed to make solo easier...

Few things. First, it affects everyone trying to clutch the wave because the rest of the team died not just soloing (btw pizza is not a problem soloing even with dragoons and even if you do not run with the pizza).

Second, its not about being easier, its about being literally impossible (barring you being a stagger immune guy like the destroyer and buffed to take the damage) on the 1234 objective on glacier. This is the first time that i recall having seen something that is literally impossible to accomplish without using a specific class(es) in the game. It might be the same on Goddess though have not hit that particular combination of map/objective/cerberus to check yet.

[MindAssassin]

Disciple888 wrote...

Acolyte doesn't stagger Dragoons. If Dragoons staggered reliably, they would be fine. Right now, they're worse than Hunter level cheese.

That's my issue with them.  I found it counter-intuitive that energy drain is staggering them more reliably than any abilities with force mechanics.  If I were BW I would either reduce their speed a little bit or make them easier to stagger.  They would still serve their shock trooper function of flushing out statues, as they literally will not stop for anything but death.

Modifié par MindAssassin, 19 octobre 2012 - 03:10 .

[Domiel Angelus]

WandererRTF wrote...

Problem that i have seen with 4 devices goals and Dragoons is that the normal tactic of kiting the enemies away does not (always) work simply because they zoom across the maps so swiftly. Add their attack and its effects to the mix - since you can't evade nor is it helpful to be interrupted on devices.

OTOH TC does work even on solo missions, you just need to keep your distance and actually run behind cover as well instead of just either standing still or running past the enemies. And yes, decoys, turrets, drones all are crucial when having Dragoons on your a** when dealing with objectives.

Turrets may be useful in this case but they're considered a melee mob by BW and ignore the Decoy and Drone. Tested it just to be sure. TC does work on solo missions except when a mob is specifically designed to see through it ie Dragoons, the Geth Drone (Lets everyone see you in a certain range) and I think the Praetorian. Their sheer speed could be trumped if they weren't wearing thermal vision helmets.

[Transairion]

OP is too full of rage, but does make a good point.

Doing a 4-disable objective with Dragoons spawning is stupidly hard as they can see through cloak, run right towards like Speedy Gonzales, and as soon as you kill one his replacement spawns and comes right after you again.

Basically you'll get 3/4 through the objective after killing one Dragoon, and if it didn't spawn far enough away it'll reach you and melee you out of the objective (even if you're cloaked).

It's a non-issue for group games, but solo games are MURDER with that particular objective.

[DarklighterFreak]

Ussain Bolt should be ashamed of these guy's speed LOL, and well that stunlock from hell...

[xcrunr1647]

neteng101 wrote

They are the most stupidest thing in the game at this point.

derp

[upinya slayin]

Does eberyone realize that drgaoons have no decent dogde? their dodge is slow and wonky and akes them easy to line up a headhsot. you know where there head is gonna be after the dodge animation. I just aim my gun there and when they finfnisgh the didge fire and you have a dead dreagoon.

I admit on platinum they are a challenge as they have relative high armor, but below platinum they really aren't a big deal.

I will amdit taht bombers, drgaoons, and collectors are all much harder on hack objectives. espicially colelctors. exploding enemies. 18 cluster grenades thrown at you form scions and giant floating bugs with laser beams that go through cover. oh my lol

[BoomDynamite]

I hate the Dragoons. The Bombers also suck.

[spinachdiaper]

yeah i hate dragoons

[xcrunr1647]

Ah_gho wrote...

100RenegadePoints wrote...

Clearly Balkan wrote...

#LOL at all the whining about Dragoons !

PATHETIC

LMAO i cracked up!

[theshagster]

Kalas321 wrote...

Banshee slayer123 wrote...

Kalas321 wrote...

Banshee slayer123 wrote...

Ok for the record i was using a lvl 20 ghost on bronze solo and for those who are flaming me for failing bronze because of a broken enemy plz just shut up idc what you say about me.

lv20 ghost and you are whining... 

Spec for duration. 

Lvl 20, lvl 1 it dosent matter what level u are the dragoons are dumb and charge at anything, heck i bet they would charge a banshee, although that will never happen.

He is the best character in the game. He has 4k shields on demand. I doubt anything on bronze can get close to killing him if played right. 

Had you said any other character I might have sympathized with you.

I have played this exact scenario soloing with a  ghost on bronze. I can kill the dragoon, hit the stimpack, start the objective and be attacked and knocked off the objective by the replacement dragoon. Now, they cant kill me because of the stimpack 4k shields but It might take repeating this 3-4 times before I can complete the objective.