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[Legendary Chop Chop]

This made me very happy. Just as Star Wars is not about Luke, Mass Effect is not about Shepard. The world is so rich around it. More of that is better.

[revo76]

Well, i checked Origin today and..

ME1 - 9.99 Euro after 4 years
ME2 Collector Edition - 19.99 after 2 years
ME3 Standart - 29.99 after 7 months

I think you cant find a 'GOTY candidate' or 'blockbuster' game which was 70EU during release and 30EU after 7 months.

It's 30EU because of the fan reaction regardig DeusEx rip-off endings. We all know and remember what was the price of the game before the protests and we all know the current price now.

And this was only for the ending with 'vocal minority' If Extended Cut fixed the endings among users, ME3 would be 50EU now, not 30EU.

So no, i dont think next ME without Shepard will sell enough EA. Eventually they'll bring Shepard in next installment, and re-start to milk the franchise.

Because no matter what yo do, if you ask people 'ME with Shepard or ME without Shepard' the majority will choose the first.

PS, For those Shepard is suppose dead in next installement because of timeline: Javik is 50k years old.

[LilLino]

revo76 wrote...

So no, i dont think next ME without Shepard will sell enough EA. Eventually they'll bring Shepard in next installment, and re-start to milk the franchise.

Because no matter what yo do, if you ask people 'ME with Shepard or ME without Shepard' the majority will choose the first.

I agree, if Bioware releases game with Shepard -> easy money.
If Bioware wants to make money out of completely new franchise (well, different character in RPG is almost like different franchise) they have to do veeeery good job. 

ME3 is a good example, the game is good but many promises were broken and many people bought just because it's 'The epic end of Shep's story!'. No Shepard = More Careful customers.

[revo76]

LilLino wrote...

revo76 wrote...

So no, i dont think next ME without Shepard will sell enough EA. Eventually they'll bring Shepard in next installment, and re-start to milk the franchise.

Because no matter what yo do, if you ask people 'ME with Shepard or ME without Shepard' the majority will choose the first.

I agree, if Bioware releases game with Shepard -> easy money.
If Bioware wants to make money out of completely new franchise (well, different character in RPG is almost like different franchise) they have to do veeeery good job. 

ME3 is a good example, the game is good but many promises were broken and many people bought just because it's 'The epic end of Shep's story!'. No Shepard = More Careful customers.

Exactly, we had Shepard in ME3 but with rip-off endings, imagine the s**tstorm without him/her and along with similar plot.

LOL, I won't spend my 100+ hours to see my character is dead or left to rot in pile of rubbles, again.

[Johnny Exogenesis]

revo76 wrote...

Well, i checked Origin today and..

ME1 - 9.99 Euro after 4 years
ME2 Collector Edition - 19.99 after 2 years
ME3 Standart - 29.99 after 7 months

I think you cant find a 'GOTY candidate' or 'blockbuster' game which was 70EU during release and 30EU after 7 months.

It's 30EU because of the fan reaction regardig DeusEx rip-off endings. We all know and remember what was the price of the game before the protests and we all know the current price now.

And this was only for the ending with 'vocal minority' If Extended Cut fixed the endings among users, ME3 would be 50EU now, not 30EU.

So no, i dont think next ME without Shepard will sell enough EA. Eventually they'll bring Shepard in next installment, and re-start to milk the franchise.

Because no matter what yo do, if you ask people 'ME with Shepard or ME without Shepard' the majority will choose the first.

PS, For those Shepard is suppose dead in next installement because of timeline: Javik is 50k years old.

I remember seeing Mass Effect 1 being sold at 5€ 1 year after it's release and it was game of the year. (And it wasn't a store promotion, I bought it only when ME3 came out and it was still 5€)

Now the ME3 price is just a promotion for some countries. I'm looking at the prices right now on Origin and it's 49.99€ Standart; 69.99€ Deluxe.

They said ME3 would be the end for Sheppard, let's see if Bioware can surprise us, the ME universe has so much to offer than just Sheppard.

Modifié par Johnny Exogenesis, 20 octobre 2012 - 10:00 .

[GreenFlag]

Legendary Chop Chop wrote...

This made me very happy. Just as Star Wars is not about Luke, Mass Effect is not about Shepard. The world is so rich around it. More of that is better.

But Star Wars has great, epic ending ever and even two times! (Star Wars III has one of the best ending  in sci-fi)
Shepard has nothing, only nonsensical ending. This is why people roar here.

Modifié par GreenFlag, 20 octobre 2012 - 10:09 .

[revo76]

Johnny Exogenesis wrote...

revo76 wrote...

Well, i checked Origin today and..

ME1 - 9.99 Euro after 4 years
ME2 Collector Edition - 19.99 after 2 years
ME3 Standart - 29.99 after 7 months

I think you cant find a 'GOTY candidate' or 'blockbuster' game which was 70EU during release and 30EU after 7 months.

It's 30EU because of the fan reaction regardig DeusEx rip-off endings. We all know and remember what was the price of the game before the protests and we all know the current price now.

And this was only for the ending with 'vocal minority' If Extended Cut fixed the endings among users, ME3 would be 50EU now, not 30EU.

So no, i dont think next ME without Shepard will sell enough EA. Eventually they'll bring Shepard in next installment, and re-start to milk the franchise.

Because no matter what yo do, if you ask people 'ME with Shepard or ME without Shepard' the majority will choose the first.

PS, For those Shepard is suppose dead in next installement because of timeline: Javik is 50k years old.

I remember seeing Mass Effect 1 being sold at 5€ 1 year after it's release and it was game of the year. (And it wasn't a store promotion, I bought it only when ME3 came out and it was still 5€)

Now the ME3 price is just a promotion for some countries. I'm looking at the prices right now on Origin and it's 49.99€ Standart; 69.99€ Deluxe.

They said ME3 would be the end for Sheppard, let's see if Bioware can surprise us, the ME universe has so much to offer than just Sheppard.

ME3 is 25USD in Amazon, in Ebay prices start from 8USD, in my local store it's 25CHF, about the same price of Origin.

And i agree about the universe, however as long as there's no ending like Zaeed's epilogue for my 100+ hours spent Shepard (this is for the majority i believe) People simply wont trust BW's any ME games, and they'll hesitate to spend their hours for another franchise, probably a dead character. 

This is the problem actually, you can find some pro-BW vocal minority in here but the general gamers doenst trust BW anymore, after DA2, ME3 and F2P Generals 2. So that's why i'm saying next ME game wont sell good, because there's no Shepard inside it. 

It's not because people like Shepard, it's because his story was finished very poorly and with rip-off, instulting final, making ME1, ME2 and save files useless. Because of this, any non-Shepard games wont sell good for EA, and in the end they'll have to bring Shepard back, to finish his story much more better that time. Then maybe will continue another games. 

Like i said many times, i wouldn't spend hours to a franchise which i'll see my character is dead in the end, it's simply not logic. If it's an RPG game, i must have right to keep my character alive, like ME2's suicide mission.

BW has lost all of it's credibility, without good ending to Shepard, it'll remain that way, and slideshows wont cut it. 

[cavs25]

Hudathan wrote...

cavs25 wrote...

Thats cool, goodluck to bioware and the devs on mass effect 4
I won't be buying it, or any other mass effect game made.
Not because of the ending but because of the way this company treats it fans.

Bioware is better off without those so-called 'fans'.

Keep getting lied to and keep buying every mediocre thing shoved your way...thats being a "fan" right.

[toddx77]

Does anyone think if the new mass effect game comes out this gen we could import our mass effect 3 saves? I know Shepard isn't going to be in it but maybe to just give a little more context to the story? If it comes out next gen it would be a problem for us PC gamers to import saves but for console gamers the only thing I can think of is if you put your saves in sony or microsofts cloud and import it that way considering it could be done.

[Ser Issac]

I believe BioWare has stated in the past that saves cannot be imported from the cloud. It doesn't work for some reason.

[clarkusdarkus]

jlmaclachlan wrote...

@ hostaman,

BW are making their games more for the COD crowd, maybe you should be careful about using the word idiot? The reason people are here still is because some of us have been fans of BW for a very long time and we can see the slide in the quality / direction of their games.

Exactly this ^^^...if people cant see the mediocre trend of quality from DA2/TOR/ME3 then that's there own choice, but me personally they have lost me...............not as a fan, but as a fan that bought there games brand new-pre ordered and was a must buy........if that's how they treat shepard, lie during pre-release quotes, integorate gimmicks like twitter/MP in an RPG then there no longer targeting me as there audience so i'll treat them as such just like i did with square-enix regarding Final Fantasy..................i'll rent there Mass Effect shooter games or buy used of which bioware wont recieve a penny from me........

We all know the next Mass effect will be for the gears of war crowd, and wouldnt be surprised if you cant create a hero and they give us a default hero ala geralt or marcus fenix......

Modifié par clarkusdarkus, 20 octobre 2012 - 01:52 .

[Dean_the_Young]

LilLino wrote...

revo76 wrote...

So no, i dont think next ME without Shepard will sell enough EA. Eventually they'll bring Shepard in next installment, and re-start to milk the franchise.

Because no matter what yo do, if you ask people 'ME with Shepard or ME without Shepard' the majority will choose the first.

I agree, if Bioware releases game with Shepard -> easy money.
If Bioware wants to make money out of completely new franchise (well, different character in RPG is almost like different franchise) they have to do veeeery good job. 

ME3 is a good example, the game is good but many promises were broken and many people bought just because it's 'The epic end of Shep's story!'. No Shepard = More Careful customers.

I disagree. Similar arguments were made (loudly) about Dragon Age when it was announced that DA2 wouldn't have the Warden. Whatever flaws you feel DA2 had, 'not being the Warden' wasn't a significant cause.

The Mass Effect franchise exists beyond Shepard, and has for some time.

[rekn2]

whos Fabrice Condominas? wheres casey hudson?

[rekn2]

double bubble

Modifié par rekn2, 20 octobre 2012 - 02:25 .

[inusannonn]

"Speculating" that Mass Effect 4 will revolve around mainstream hipster video game review staff like Diane Chobot Allers. Infact she probably will be the only survivor left in Mass Effect 4.

With a story line flavored with stale cornflake box comedy from the 70s served without sugar in warm sour milk.

The ghost child prob survived and with space magic becomes the main hero and as the game unfolds we learn that Diane Allers is the ghost child's mother. And a Volus space pirate is the father. Mass Effect 4.

/speculation.

[Maxster_]

Don't care. ME universe died a horrible death.
I will not ever buy something from EAWare; ME3 is example of what they have become, and what their "wider target audience" are.

[CaIIisto]

rekn2 wrote...

whos Fabrice Condominas? wheres casey hudson?

Probably still in hiding, where he's been for the past 6/7 months......

[SNAKEATEN]

They should probably focus on different gameplay elements as well. While the main trilogy was great at what it did, I think it is best left alone. Time to move on to something new.

[LilLino]

Dean_the_Young wrote...
]I disagree. Similar arguments were made (loudly) about Dragon Age when it was announced that DA2 wouldn't have the Warden. Whatever flaws you feel DA2 had, 'not being the Warden' wasn't a significant cause.

The Mass Effect franchise exists beyond Shepard, and has for some time.

Yes, okay, but before DA2 I don't think that Bioware made any game that was considered 'bad' 'awful' or whatever by the fans. I didn't play DA2 but I heard it caused a lot of sh*t storm, then Kotor caused a lot of Sh*t-storm, now ME3 caused a lot of sh*t-storm.

Of course, my statement is just a speculation, but imo no Shepard and negativity around Bioware/EA/ ME franchise may altogether hurt the sales.

We'll live and see. I'm open minded as long as the game isn't during Reaper war or 1000 years into the future with Synthesis happening, because it's so inevitable!
Scratch that, both Synthesis or more than 60-80 years into the future would put me off.

[mongoosephantom]

Ok Shepard's story is over but they didn't have to have him killed in every ending. He could have made a cameo appearance in ME4 or "Mass Effect Other title than 4" or whatever it's going to be.

[LilLino]

mongoosephantom wrote...

Ok Shepard's story is over but they didn't have to have him killed in every ending. He could have made a cameo appearance in ME4 or "Mass Effect Other title than 4" or whatever it's going to be.

That's what I want and hope happens. Or at least if you import destroy save s/he's said in codex to live the rest of his life peacfully with his/her LI living off royalities from the vids.

[Zazzerka]

LilLino wrote...

mongoosephantom wrote...

Ok Shepard's story is over but they didn't have to have him killed in every ending. He could have made a cameo appearance in ME4 or "Mass Effect Other title than 4" or whatever it's going to be.

That's what I want and hope happens. Or at least if you import destroy save s/he's said in codex to live the rest of his life peacfully with his/her LI living off royalities from the vids.

+∞

[Dean_the_Young]

LilLino wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...
]I disagree. Similar arguments were made (loudly) about Dragon Age when it was announced that DA2 wouldn't have the Warden. Whatever flaws you feel DA2 had, 'not being the Warden' wasn't a significant cause.

The Mass Effect franchise exists beyond Shepard, and has for some time.

Yes, okay, but before DA2 I don't think that Bioware made any game that was considered 'bad' 'awful' or whatever by the fans. I didn't play DA2 but I heard it caused a lot of sh*t storm, then Kotor caused a lot of Sh*t-storm, now ME3 caused a lot of sh*t-storm.

Of course, my statement is just a speculation, but imo no Shepard and negativity around Bioware/EA/ ME franchise may altogether hurt the sales.

If you listened to 'the fans' who proclaim such, each game has been a disaster and a deathknell for Bioware since Baldur's Gate. Jade Empire was a disaster was a disaster because it wasn't Baldur's Gate. Mass Effect 1 was a disaster because it was a shooter and moved away from the true RPG. Dragon Age Origins was a disaster because it wasn't Baldur's Gate despite being a spiritual sequel. ME2 was a disaster because it took out all the RPG elements and was a Gears of War Clone. Etc.

Bioware has always been in perpetual, fatal decline from 'the fans.' The next game which doesn't have some section proclaiming it as a fatal disaster will be the first, whereas the next game's critics will fondly look back and recall all the good perfection that was the previous game.

We'll live and see. I'm open minded as long as the game isn't during Reaper war or 1000 years into the future with Synthesis happening, because it's so inevitable!
Scratch that, both Synthesis or more than 60-80 years into the future would put me off.

Frankly if it weren't more than 80 years in the future that would annoy me. You might get me with a century and a half, if you absolutely had to have old-geezer-Garrus as a cameo, but a post-war timeskip should be an invitation to re-cast the galactic setting. While Mass Effect has never been particularly good about timelines making sense, letting the Reaper War go out of living memory for all but the longest-lived races would be a good step.

The only returning character cameos from Mass Effect I think I could handle would be Matriarch Liara, Wrex, and Grunt. You know, the species that could become old over a few centuries.

[Apocaleepse360]

I really hope we get to choose our own race this time. I see all these different species that are really cool and all of the sudden, being a human becomes boring really fast.

[Owlman36]

I think ME4 will be a prequel or be going on along side Shepard's story. The multi-colored endings would require at least 2 different games because of their diversity (plus the green eye thing is annoying and makes no sense). Destroy would have to have a new villain (maybe Leviathans) and control would either have no continuation or have Shepard losing control of the Reapers. I also agree with the choose your own race idea.