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[ME859]

Kel Riever wrote...

It is funny how BioWare swears the trilogy is over, when they haven't even finished Mass Effect 3 yet.

I mean, I know people think its finished, but the endings are finished like pork cooked on low heat for a minute.

In other words, there's a really good chance it will make you sick.  <3

Why are they even working on another game when burnout was likely a cause of the problems found in Mass Effect 3?  I mean Casey's talking about how he and a lot of people on the team were working 90 hour weeks.  

Take a year off and start fresh.  I'm scared this is going to become another Resident Evil where the story keeps on falling over itsef to the point where it makes no sense.  

[silverexile17s]

ME859 wrote...

Kel Riever wrote...

It is funny how BioWare swears the trilogy is over, when they haven't even finished Mass Effect 3 yet.

I mean, I know people think its finished, but the endings are finished like pork cooked on low heat for a minute.

In other words, there's a really good chance it will make you sick.  <3

Why are they even working on another game when burnout was likely a cause of the problems found in Mass Effect 3?  I mean Casey's talking about how he and a lot of people on the team were working 90 hour weeks.  

Take a year off and start fresh.  I'm scared this is going to become another Resident Evil where the story keeps on falling over itsef to the point where it makes no sense.  

Agreed. This is risking what was a great series becoming a conveniant cash-cow. I REALLY hope what happens the Mass Effect movie adaptation is NOTHING like what happened with the Resident Evil movie adaptation.

[DeinonSlayer]

silverexile17s wrote...

ME859 wrote...

Kel Riever wrote...

It is funny how BioWare swears the trilogy is over, when they haven't even finished Mass Effect 3 yet.

I mean, I know people think its finished, but the endings are finished like pork cooked on low heat for a minute.

In other words, there's a really good chance it will make you sick.  <3

Why are they even working on another game when burnout was likely a cause of the problems found in Mass Effect 3?  I mean Casey's talking about how he and a lot of people on the team were working 90 hour weeks.  

Take a year off and start fresh.  I'm scared this is going to become another Resident Evil where the story keeps on falling over itsef to the point where it makes no sense.  

Agreed. This is risking what was a great series becoming a conveniant cash-cow. I REALLY hope what happens the Mass Effect movie adaptation is NOTHING like what happened with the Resident Evil movie adaptation.

Mark my words: the film will feature Male Space Sole Survivor Soldier Paragon Liaramancer who saves the Council, blows the Collectors up, cures the Genophage, wipes out the Quarians (for teh dramaz) and chooses Synthesis.

Modifié par DeinonSlayer, 24 octobre 2012 - 03:15 .

[Direwolf0294]

DeinonSlayer wrote...

silverexile17s wrote...

ME859 wrote...

Kel Riever wrote...

It is funny how BioWare swears the trilogy is over, when they haven't even finished Mass Effect 3 yet.

I mean, I know people think its finished, but the endings are finished like pork cooked on low heat for a minute.

In other words, there's a really good chance it will make you sick.  <3

Why are they even working on another game when burnout was likely a cause of the problems found in Mass Effect 3?  I mean Casey's talking about how he and a lot of people on the team were working 90 hour weeks.  

Take a year off and start fresh.  I'm scared this is going to become another Resident Evil where the story keeps on falling over itsef to the point where it makes no sense.  

Agreed. This is risking what was a great series becoming a conveniant cash-cow. I REALLY hope what happens the Mass Effect movie adaptation is NOTHING like what happened with the Resident Evil movie adaptation.

Mark my words: the film will feature Male Space Sole Survivor Soldier Paragon Liaramancer who saves the Council, blows the Collectors up, cures the Genophage, wipes out the Quarians (for teh dramaz) and chooses Synthesis.

Liara? No way. It'll be Ashley or Miranda. Also, it'll be the Geth who end up getting wiped out.

[ZeCollectorDestroya]

Asharad Hett wrote...

That's fine. We don't want ME4.

Oooooooooh, ouch. Third degree burn Bioware!

[ZeCollectorDestroya]

Direwolf0294 wrote...

DeinonSlayer wrote...

silverexile17s wrote...

ME859 wrote...

Kel Riever wrote...

It is funny how BioWare swears the trilogy is over, when they haven't even finished Mass Effect 3 yet.

I mean, I know people think its finished, but the endings are finished like pork cooked on low heat for a minute.

In other words, there's a really good chance it will make you sick.  <3

Why are they even working on another game when burnout was likely a cause of the problems found in Mass Effect 3?  I mean Casey's talking about how he and a lot of people on the team were working 90 hour weeks.  

Take a year off and start fresh.  I'm scared this is going to become another Resident Evil where the story keeps on falling over itsef to the point where it makes no sense.  

Agreed. This is risking what was a great series becoming a conveniant cash-cow. I REALLY hope what happens the Mass Effect movie adaptation is NOTHING like what happened with the Resident Evil movie adaptation.

Mark my words: the film will feature Male Space Sole Survivor Soldier Paragon Liaramancer who saves the Council, blows the Collectors up, cures the Genophage, wipes out the Quarians (for teh dramaz) and chooses Synthesis.

Liara? No way. It'll be Ashley or Miranda. Also, it'll be the Geth who end up getting wiped out.

It's always Liara...and you always pick Geth! Kill Quarians!

[Blueprotoss]

PinkysPain wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...
ME is far from tiny and loced up especially when galaxies are endless in space while the Milky Way is just one galaxy.  This is a great example of a strawman.

What remains of Mass Effect if you go there? Maybe a mass relay like technology, biotics and blue boxes ... because those are the result of the in story physics ... but you lose everything else. No humans, no blueberries, no terminus system, no nothing ... it wouldn't be recognizeable as being Mass Effect, also humans are a commercial prerequisite.

The useful part of the Mass Effect universe is the Milky Way after the first contact wars uptill the start of the reaper invasion ... everything before it is uninteresting, everything after has been annihialated in the macapocalypse.

Everything is far from being lost especially when ME4 is detailed as no Shepard which means that doesn't exclude anything but Shepard.

ME has unlimited potenional especially when ME was confined to the Milky Way glaaxy.

[Blueprotoss]

silverexile17s wrote...

1. The first point is valid enough. There is no point to adding needless customization options to what in my opinion is a needless game addion.

Yet the point isn't opinion and nothing is meaningless even if you personally think something is meaningless.

silverexile17s wrote...

2. You can't have Mass Effcet take place anywhere else!! Half the game was exploring humanities new connection with these races. Go to a different galaxy, and is's really no longer Mass Effect anymore. Bad Idea.

ME isn't confined to one specific galaxy just like how Star Wars, Star Trek, Starcraft, and Halo aren't tied to only one galaxy.

silverexile17s wrote...

3. I think they could have given us a few options as to giv a happy ending. It's becoming increcingly obvious that the only reason they didn'n give us a "Shepard happy ending" and force a diffinitive end is so they  could restart the trilogy with a new character.

There's already too much variety while some people would have been mad no matter what happens because of a thing called opinion.  Ironically the ME series isn't being restarted but it is being continued.

silverexile17s wrote...

4. "The logic is right"? They basically said that the Reapers are just a test experiment gone wrong. They kill and harvest people so that they don't build robots that will kill them first? What the hell kind of logic is that?! And the logic of the endings:
Control: Throw away your rights, force the weakened galaxy to depend on the Reapers as guardians, instead on becoming self-dependant.
Destroy: Prove the Reapers right in that organics will always destroy synthetics over other organics.
Synthasis: Violate the rights of free choice and force the entire galaxy to "acsend" into new beings, forcing their fate instead of letting them choose for themselves.
In all cases, you are the biggest hypocrite in history no matter what choice you make!

The logic is right since the Created vs Created conflicts appeared in ME1 that continued throughout the series and no Reaper leader was shown until the Catalyst revealed itself in ME3.  All of these "points" of your's are just nippicks because you're just looking for excuses on why you don't like something based on opinion rather then focusing on the lore.

silverexile17s wrote...

5. Like I said in point 3, You cannot have Mass Effect be anywhere else other then the Milky Way. It would be unreconizable as Mass Effect. The smart move would have been to just stop at 3.

Its a strawman to say that ME is confined to the Milky Way especially when its a sci-fi game.  Btw if BSN determined smart moves then nobody wold ever pleased like what happened with the Mako.

[Blueprotoss]

ME859 wrote...

Why are they even working on another game when burnout was likely a cause of the problems found in Mass Effect 3?  I mean Casey's talking about how he and a lot of people on the team were working 90 hour weeks.  

Take a year off and start fresh.  I'm scared this is going to become another Resident Evil where the story keeps on falling over itsef to the point where it makes no sense.

I guess I'll never understand the hypocrisy of BSN becase they'll randomly blame Casey for no reason after Drew leaves and they're always angry at the new like how it happened with the previous ME games.

Using Resident Evil is a strawman especially when thats another example of what "fans" don't know what they want even when RE6 offered more of the old school feeling then RE4 and RE5 conbimed.  Internet rage will always be around which means it will still be mostly blind and ignorant.

silverexile17s wrote...

Agreed. This is risking what was a great series becoming a conveniant cash-cow. I REALLY hope what happens the Mass Effect movie adaptation is NOTHING like what happened with the Resident Evil movie adaptation.

Its ironic that I don't hear Assassin's Creed, Ghost Recon, Splinter Cell, Metal Gear Sollid, Uncharted, Bioshock, Halo, Dragon Age, Silent Hill, and Resident Evil being crapped on for no reason because they're poplar series that have either produced features or are currently being produced as a feature.  Strawman says hi.

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 24 octobre 2012 - 03:41 .

[silverexile17s]

Blueprotoss wrote...

silverexile17s wrote...

1. The first point is valid enough. There is no point to adding needless customization options to what in my opinion is a needless game addion.

Yet the point isn't opinion and nothing is meaningless even if you personally think something is meaningless.

silverexile17s wrote...

2. You can't have Mass Effcet take place anywhere else!! Half the game was exploring humanities new connection with these races. Go to a different galaxy, and is's really no longer Mass Effect anymore. Bad Idea.

ME isn't confined to one specific galaxy just like how Star Wars, Star Trek, Starcraft, and Halo aren't tied to only one galaxy.

silverexile17s wrote...

3. I think they could have given us a few options as to giv a happy ending. It's becoming increcingly obvious that the only reason they didn'n give us a "Shepard happy ending" and force a diffinitive end is so they  could restart the trilogy with a new character.

There's already too much variety while some people would have been mad no matter what happens because of a thing called opinion.  Ironically the ME series isn't being restarted but it is being continued.

silverexile17s wrote...

4. "The logic is right"? They basically said that the Reapers are just a test experiment gone wrong. They kill and harvest people so that they don't build robots that will kill them first? What the hell kind of logic is that?! And the logic of the endings:
Control: Throw away your rights, force the weakened galaxy to depend on the Reapers as guardians, instead on becoming self-dependant.
Destroy: Prove the Reapers right in that organics will always destroy synthetics over other organics.
Synthasis: Violate the rights of free choice and force the entire galaxy to "acsend" into new beings, forcing their fate instead of letting them choose for themselves.
In all cases, you are the biggest hypocrite in history no matter what choice you make!

The logic is right since the Created vs Created conflicts appeared in ME1 that continued throughout the series and no Reaper leader was shown until the Catalyst revealed itself in ME3.  All of these "points" of your's are just nippicks because you're just looking for excuses on why you don't like something based on opinion rather then focusing on the lore.

silverexile17s wrote...

5. Like I said in point 3, You cannot have Mass Effect be anywhere else other then the Milky Way. It would be unreconizable as Mass Effect. The smart move would have been to just stop at 3.

Its a strawman to say that ME is confined to the Milky Way especially when its a sci-fi game.  Btw if BSN determined smart moves then nobody wold ever pleased like what happened with the Mako.

1. Making another game, heck, just announcing it this soon, just seven months after the end of the trilogy, is running the risk of the game looking like it's becoming an infinate set of remake/sequal/prequels, like Final Fantasy, or Resident Evil. Especally when they are STILL releasing DLC for ME3.

2.But they all had fimalir themes, races, and characters, did
they not? And I've NEVER seen them venture outside the star wars galaxy
aside from that Yuuzan Vong saga. And they never went to another galaxy. They ALWAYS stay where the filmalir is, so there is something to relate to. Why do you think there were always humans in star wars?
The thing is, with things like this, they TALK about it, they REFERANCE it, but they NEVER go
there. I assure you, in all likelyhood, they won't go beyond the Milky Way.

3. There was hardly any veriaty! Two versons of control, Three for destroy, and one for synthasis. Six in total with the EC, with some minor variations mixed in for the slideshow. That hardly seems like veriaty for an RPG with a carry-over save system. And continuing the game from where the endings left off is like juggling hand grenades. That would not be a smart thing to do, now that they JUST got past that fiasco. It would either be just a prequel, or a spin-off, but DEFENITELY not a continuation THIS soon.

4. These are the GENERAL comments of what thePEOPLE  thought was wrong with the endings, not MY "nitpicks". These are the reasons that people had problems with the endings and I agree with them. And I never brough the Catalyst into this, either.

5. Did you ever see a Star Wars game take place, or start, outside the Star Wars galaxy? Did the Stargate teams ever visit a world without some form of stargate?  They don't start from scratch with new races, people, locations, tech and worlds when they can just build on what's already there. Like it or not, they will always stay at filmilar locals.

Modifié par silverexile17s, 24 octobre 2012 - 06:42 .

[silverexile17s]

Blueprotoss wrote...

ME859 wrote...

Why are they even working on another game when burnout was likely a cause of the problems found in Mass Effect 3?  I mean Casey's talking about how he and a lot of people on the team were working 90 hour weeks.  

Take a year off and start fresh.  I'm scared this is going to become another Resident Evil where the story keeps on falling over itsef to the point where it makes no sense.

I guess I'll never understand the hypocrisy of BSN becase they'll randomly blame Casey for no reason after Drew leaves and they're always angry at the new like how it happened with the previous ME games.

Using Resident Evil is a strawman especially when thats another example of what "fans" don't know what they want even when RE6 offered more of the old school feeling then RE4 and RE5 conbimed.  Internet rage will always be around which means it will still be mostly blind and ignorant.

silverexile17s wrote...

Agreed. This is risking what was a great series becoming a conveniant cash-cow. I REALLY hope what happens the Mass Effect movie adaptation is NOTHING like what happened with the Resident Evil movie adaptation.

Its ironic that I don't hear Assassin's Creed, Ghost Recon, Splinter Cell, Metal Gear Sollid, Uncharted, Bioshock, Halo, Dragon Age, Silent Hill, and Resident Evil being crapped on for no reason because they're poplar series that have either produced features or are currently being produced as a feature.  Strawman says hi.

1. Oh, come on man! Of COURSE he's worried. And with good reason! With so many of BioWare's staff leaving with the founders, of COURSE there is the possibilaty that the games will start sucking. I mean, announcing a new ME game this early on was NOT a smart move, when there is still lingering... well, for lack of a better term, "vibes" over the third game's ending. Announcing the game this early is tearing old wounds open before they heal. It's NOT a good bissness move. ME859 has EVERY reason to worry at this point.
2. Listen, "STRAW-HEAD'. Were not TALKING about Assassin's Creed, Ghost Recon, Splinter Cell, Metal Gear Sollid,
Uncharted, Bioshock, Halo, Dragon Age, Silent Hill, and Resident Evil. If we WERE , the disscusion would never END. We are talking about Mass Effect. Don't bring other games in if you can't think of valid points yourself. And comparing the games should only VALIDATE my point. Too many entries in a series is more potental for failure. They ALL had problems. SOME more then others. But those are not what we are talikng about. The discussion is the next ME game, and no other.

Modifié par silverexile17s, 24 octobre 2012 - 06:56 .

[Blueprotoss]

silverexile17s wrote...

1. Making another game, heck, just announcing it this soon, just seven months after the end of the trilogy, is running the risk of the game looking like it's becoming an infinate set of remake/sequal/prequels, like Final Fantasy, or Resident Evil. Especally when they are STILL releasing DLC for ME3.

Wow announcing a game isn't new especially when Mario, Zelda, and Pokemon have be doing this for decades while this is just a few examples on the Nintendo side.  I'm surprised there was no uproar when ME was announced to be a trilogy with ME1's 1st announcment.

silverexile17s wrote...

2.But they all had fimalir themes, races, and characters, did
they not? And I've NEVER seen them venture outside the star wars galaxy
aside from that Yuuzan Vong saga. And they never went to another galaxy. They ALWAYS stay where the filmalir is, so there is something to relate to. Why do you think there were always humans in star wars?
The thing is, with things like this, they TALK about it, they REFERANCE it, but they NEVER go
there. I assure you, in all likelyhood, they won't go beyond the Milky Way.

You acted as if ME is supposed to stay in the Miky Way while I jjust gave you a few sci-fi examples that most don't stay inside the original galaxy.

silverexile17s wrote...

3. There was hardly any veriaty! Two versons of control, Three for destroy, and one for synthasis. Six in total with the EC, with some minor variations mixed in for the slideshow. That hardly seems like veriaty for an RPG with a carry-over save system. And continuing the game from where the endings left off is like juggling hand grenades. That would not be a smart thing to do, now that they JUST got past that fiasco. It would either be just a prequel, or a spin-off, but DEFENITELY not a continuation THIS soon.

It seems you missed what variety is even when there was 16 different endings in ME3 before the EC based on your choices, EMS level, Paragon/Renegade status, and so on.  In reality the smart thing to do would be you to get over it and move on.

silverexile17s wrote...

4. These are the GENERAL comments of what thePEOPLE  thought was wrong with the endings, not MY "nitpicks". These are the reasons that people had problems with the endings and I agree with them. And I never brough the Catalyst into this, either.

They are nippicks especially when they are opinions.  People had varying opinions on ME3 just like they previously had with ME1 and ME2.

silverexile17s wrote...

5. Did you ever see a Star Wars game take place, or start, outside the Star Wars galaxy? Did the Stargate teams ever visit a world without some form of stargate?  They don't start from scratch with new races, people, locations, tech and worlds when they can just build on what's already there. Like it or not, they will always stay at filmilar locals.

There are multiple galaxies that Star Wars games will take place in like comparing KotOR, Replubic Commando, and Unleashed.

[Blueprotoss]

silverexile17s wrote...

1. Oh, come on man! Of COURSE he's worried. And with good reason! With so many of BioWare's staff leaving with the founders, of COURSE there is the possibilaty that the games will start sucking. I mean, announcing a new ME game this early on was NOT a smart move, when there is still lingering... well, for lack of a better term, "vibes" over the third game's ending. Announcing the game this early is tearing old wounds open before they heal. It's NOT a good bissness move. ME859 has EVERY reason to worry at this point.

Most of the Bioware staff hasn't left other then Drew and the Doctors while they're off doing other projects at their own will but most of them don't pertain to video games.  At times people do like to have a break when they fulfilled their dream after working about 15 years on it.  If there's a real studio to worry about then that would be Irrational Games based on how in the last year most of their Lead staff left.

silverexile17s wrote...

2. Listen, "STRAW-HEAD'. Were not TALKING about Assassin's Creed, Ghost Recon, Splinter Cell, Metal Gear Sollid,
Uncharted, Bioshock, Halo, Dragon Age, Silent Hill, and Resident Evil. If we WERE , the disscusion would never END. We are talking about Mass Effect. Don't bring other games in if you can't think of valid points yourself. And comparing the games should only VALIDATE my point. Too many entries in a series is more potental for failure. They ALL had problems. SOME more then others. But those are not what we are talikng about. The discussion is the next ME game, and no other.

That is a strawman and I see how you're trying to create another when other series have done or working on features of other video game franchises.  Its nothing new that video games get turned into animated or Hollywood movies and to assume that ME will fail without llooking at the success that most have acheived is just ignorance.  People will always having differing opinions while you take those with a grain of salt since most opinions lack substance like validity, neutrality, and equality.

[silverexile17s]

Blueprotoss wrote...

silverexile17s wrote...

1. Making another game, heck, just announcing it this soon, just seven months after the end of the trilogy, is running the risk of the game looking like it's becoming an infinate set of remake/sequal/prequels, like Final Fantasy, or Resident Evil. Especally when they are STILL releasing DLC for ME3.

Wow announcing a game isn't new especially when Mario, Zelda, and Pokemon have be doing this for decades while this is just a few examples on the Nintendo side.  I'm surprised there was no uproar when ME was announced to be a trilogy with ME1's 1st announcment.

silverexile17s wrote...

2.But they all had fimalir themes, races, and characters, did
they not? And I've NEVER seen them venture outside the star wars galaxy
aside from that Yuuzan Vong saga. And they never went to another galaxy. They ALWAYS stay where the filmalir is, so there is something to relate to. Why do you think there were always humans in star wars?
The thing is, with things like this, they TALK about it, they REFERANCE it, but they NEVER go
there. I assure you, in all likelyhood, they won't go beyond the Milky Way.

You acted as if ME is supposed to stay in the Miky Way while I jjust gave you a few sci-fi examples that most don't stay inside the original galaxy.

silverexile17s wrote...

3. There was hardly any veriaty! Two versons of control, Three for destroy, and one for synthasis. Six in total with the EC, with some minor variations mixed in for the slideshow. That hardly seems like veriaty for an RPG with a carry-over save system. And continuing the game from where the endings left off is like juggling hand grenades. That would not be a smart thing to do, now that they JUST got past that fiasco. It would either be just a prequel, or a spin-off, but DEFENITELY not a continuation THIS soon.

It seems you missed what variety is even when there was 16 different endings in ME3 before the EC based on your choices, EMS level, Paragon/Renegade status, and so on.  In reality the smart thing to do would be you to get over it and move on.

silverexile17s wrote...

4. These are the GENERAL comments of what thePEOPLE  thought was wrong with the endings, not MY "nitpicks". These are the reasons that people had problems with the endings and I agree with them. And I never brough the Catalyst into this, either.

They are nippicks especially when they are opinions.  People had varying opinions on ME3 just like they previously had with ME1 and ME2.

silverexile17s wrote...

5. Did you ever see a Star Wars game take place, or start, outside the Star Wars galaxy? Did the Stargate teams ever visit a world without some form of stargate?  They don't start from scratch with new races, people, locations, tech and worlds when they can just build on what's already there. Like it or not, they will always stay at filmilar locals.

There are multiple galaxies that Star Wars games will take place in like comparing KotOR, Replubic Commando, and Unleashed.

1. Not really. BioWare has a bit of a trend in starting series, and game trilogies seem to be the trend nowadays.. Even more with EA. When the two were working TOGETHER to make the game, announcing a trilogy really wasn't all that suprising.

2. HAS star wars gone beyond it's galaxy? NO. It's still there. Don't be raging if ME is still in the Milky Way, because, truthfully, there really is no where else to go with it.

3. There were THREE endings! One Synthisis. Two variation of control (Paragon, Renagade) And three for destroy. Thats SIX. The other "ten" are MINOR VARIATIONS THAT DON'T CAHNGE THE OVERLYING SCOPE OF THE ENDING THEY VARIATE FROM. Look it up, or ask someone. They'll tell you the same thing. There are only three endings with six MAJOR variations, and ten UNNOTICEABLE ones.

4. I didn't see a fan rage to alter the endings of those. Did you? No one had a problem with those. These endings for ME3 would hav been better had they been for a single, stand-alone game that didn't have imports form two previous games.

5. You DO realize that's ALL IN THE SAME GALAXY, RIGHT? The only thing different is the BLODDY TIMELINE!
KoTor: 4,000 years before Epsoide I
ToR: 3,700 years before Epsoide I
Republic Commando: The 2-3 years between Epsoides II & III
Force Unleashed: 16-18 years after Epsoide III
BUT ALL IN THE SAME GALAXY.

Modifié par silverexile17s, 28 octobre 2012 - 06:48 .

[silverexile17s]

Blueprotoss wrote...

silverexile17s wrote...

1. Oh, come on man! Of COURSE he's worried. And with good reason! With so many of BioWare's staff leaving with the founders, of COURSE there is the possibilaty that the games will start sucking. I mean, announcing a new ME game this early on was NOT a smart move, when there is still lingering... well, for lack of a better term, "vibes" over the third game's ending. Announcing the game this early is tearing old wounds open before they heal. It's NOT a good bissness move. ME859 has EVERY reason to worry at this point.

Most of the Bioware staff hasn't left other then Drew and the Doctors while they're off doing other projects at their own will but most of them don't pertain to video games.  At times people do like to have a break when they fulfilled their dream after working about 15 years on it.  If there's a real studio to worry about then that would be Irrational Games based on how in the last year most of their Lead staff left.

silverexile17s wrote...

2. Listen, "STRAW-HEAD'. Were not TALKING about Assassin's Creed, Ghost Recon, Splinter Cell, Metal Gear Sollid,
Uncharted, Bioshock, Halo, Dragon Age, Silent Hill, and Resident Evil. If we WERE , the disscusion would never END. We are talking about Mass Effect. Don't bring other games in if you can't think of valid points yourself. And comparing the games should only VALIDATE my point. Too many entries in a series is more potental for failure. They ALL had problems. SOME more then others. But those are not what we are talikng about. The discussion is the next ME game, and no other.

That is a strawman and I see how you're trying to create another when other series have done or working on features of other video game franchises.  Its nothing new that video games get turned into animated or Hollywood movies and to assume that ME will fail without llooking at the success that most have acheived is just ignorance.  People will always having differing opinions while you take those with a grain of salt since most opinions lack substance like validity, neutrality, and equality.

1. I just have trouble believeing that what happened over the ME3 ending had nothing to do with it. It seems more like a "EA killed another company, get out while you still can!" shoutout. Not sure to the truth in those rumors, but that seems to be what's happening with BioWare.

2. I KNOW what I said, "straw-head". And I must point you to Resident Evil.
Asassin's Creed and Deus Ex: Human Revolution are being made into movies too. Games don't usually work as movies, just like movies don't ofter translate well into games.

[Blueprotoss]

silverexile17s wrote...

1. Not really. BioWare has a bit of a trend in starting series, and game trilogies seem to be the trend nowadays.. Even more with EA. When the two were working TOGETHER to make the game, announcing a trilogy really wasn't all that suprising.

Really most games aren't trilogy based but most of Bioware's games tend to have a trilogy flow to them.  Either way Bioware never said that ME was only going to be a trilogy while Shepard was always known to be a trilogy.

silverexile17s wrote...

2. HAS star wars gone beyond it's galaxy? NO. It's still there. Don't be raging if ME is still in the Milky Way, because, truthfully, there really is no where else to go with it.

Yes it has especially when you look at KotOR, Republic Commandos, and Unleashed because they aren't tied to a single galaxy.

silverexile17s wrote...

3. There were THREE endings! One Synthisis. Two variation of control (Paragon, Renagade) And three for destroy. Thats SIX. The other "ten" are MINOR VARIATIONS THAT DON'T CAHNGE THE OVERLYING SCOPE OF THE ENDING THEY VARIATE FROM. Look it up, or ask someone. They'll tell you the same thing. There are only three endings with six MAJOR variations, and ten UNNOTICEABLE ones.

It seems you're getting confused with the word different because endings don't need to heavily altered to be labled as a different ending.  There are currently 16 different ending before the EC and there are far more then 10 "minor" varations in ecah of them.

silverexile17s wrote...

4. I didn't see a fan rage to alter the endings of those. Did you? No one had a problem with those. These endings for ME3 would hav been better had they been for a single, stand-alone game that didn't have imports form two previous games.

This is a strawman especially when some people have always raged abuot Bioware game endings just like most endings get.

silverexile17s wrote...

5. You DO realize that's ALL IN THE SAME GALAXY, RIGHT? The only thing different is the BLODDY TIMELINE!
KoTor: 4,000 years before Epsoide I
ToR: 3,700 years before Epsoide I
Republic Commando: The 2-3 years between Epsoides I & II
Force Unleashed: 16-18 years after Epsoide III
BUT ALL IN THE SAME GALAXY.

Yet this is a strawman since they don't start in the same galaxies but they do start out in the same universe.

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 24 octobre 2012 - 08:43 .

[Blueprotoss]

silverexile17s wrote...

1. I just have trouble believeing that what happened over the ME3 ending had nothing to do with it. It seems more like a "EA killed another company, get out while you still can!" shoutout. Not sure to the truth in those rumors, but that seems to be what's happening with BioWare.

EA owns Bioware but Bioware still owns ME.  If you're talking about a game series that almost killed a company then talk to Bungie about Halo.

silverexile17s wrote...

2. I KNOW what I said, "straw-head". And I must point you to Resident Evil.
Asassin's Creed and Deus Ex: Human Revolution are being made into movies too. Games don't usually work as movies, just like movies don't ofter translate well into games.

How is that when most of them do work well as movies and they're usually called adaptations for a reason since they won't be completely like the video game, which ironically happens to comic book movies.

[silverexile17s]

Blueprotoss wrote...

silverexile17s wrote...

1. I just have trouble believeing that what happened over the ME3 ending had nothing to do with it. It seems more like a "EA killed another company, get out while you still can!" shoutout. Not sure to the truth in those rumors, but that seems to be what's happening with BioWare.

EA owns Bioware but Bioware still owns ME.  If you're talking about a game series that almost killed a company then talk to Bungie about Halo.

silverexile17s wrote...

2. I KNOW what I said, "straw-head". And I must point you to Resident Evil.
Asassin's Creed and Deus Ex: Human Revolution are being made into movies too. Games don't usually work as movies, just like movies don't ofter translate well into games.

How is that when most of them do work well as movies and they're usually called adaptations for a reason since they won't be completely like the video game, which ironically happens to comic book movies.

1. Toche', but the game being disscussed here is ME. Besides, I hear that Halo is doing well, in spite of that.
Now, a question. I have a friend from a local Gamestop I talk with alot. His opinions mostly colored my views, since I talk with him about weather a game I'm looking at is any good.  According to him (Though it's just scuttlebutt from him), he thinks BioWare is in it's dying throws. He said that since Dragon Age II floped in comparison to it's predicessor (although that doesn't nessaraly mean it's HORRIBLE), Star Wars: The Old Republic is free to play after not even a year, the overpriced DLC packs, "war on used games" codes and now, the ending flop, that he thinks the company is less then a year from being dissolved and absorbed into the other EA divisions. Though, he's more the kind to rant then forgive. He DID say he BURNED his copy of ME3, (most likely sold it.. I think) so he's more the extrimest type. You are a bit more inclined to see where the developers stand, so I'll ask you:
Are any of the things he said true in YOUR opinion. I'll ask others, too, but I'd like a reference point.

2. ....I'll get back to you on that after I see if they do Deus Ex and Mass Effect right.

[silverexile17s]

Blueprotoss wrote...

silverexile17s wrote...

1. Not really. BioWare has a bit of a trend in starting series, and game trilogies seem to be the trend nowadays.. Even more with EA. When the two were working TOGETHER to make the game, announcing a trilogy really wasn't all that suprising.

Really most games aren't trilogy based but most of Bioware's games tend to have a trilogy flow to them.  Either way Bioware never said that ME was only going to be a trilogy while Shepard was always known to be a trilogy.

silverexile17s wrote...

2. HAS star wars gone beyond it's galaxy? NO. It's still there. Don't be raging if ME is still in the Milky Way, because, truthfully, there really is no where else to go with it.

Yes it has especially when you look at KotOR, Republic Commandos, and Unleashed because they aren't tied to a single galaxy.

silverexile17s wrote...

3. There were THREE endings! One Synthisis. Two variation of control (Paragon, Renagade) And three for destroy. Thats SIX. The other "ten" are MINOR VARIATIONS THAT DON'T CAHNGE THE OVERLYING SCOPE OF THE ENDING THEY VARIATE FROM. Look it up, or ask someone. They'll tell you the same thing. There are only three endings with six MAJOR variations, and ten UNNOTICEABLE ones.

It seems you're getting confused with the word different because endings don't need to heavily altered to be labled as a different ending.  There are currently 16 different ending before the EC and there are far more then 10 "minor" varations in ecah of them.

silverexile17s wrote...

4. I didn't see a fan rage to alter the endings of those. Did you? No one had a problem with those. These endings for ME3 would hav been better had they been for a single, stand-alone game that didn't have imports form two previous games.

This is a strawman especially when some people have always raged abuot Bioware game endings just like most endings get.

silverexile17s wrote...

5. You DO realize that's ALL IN THE SAME GALAXY, RIGHT? The only thing different is the BLODDY TIMELINE!
KoTor: 4,000 years before Epsoide I
ToR: 3,700 years before Epsoide I
Republic Commando: The 2-3 years between Epsoides I & II
Force Unleashed: 16-18 years after Epsoide III
BUT ALL IN THE SAME GALAXY.

Yet this is a strawman since they don't start in the same galaxies but they do start out in the same universe.

1. Nearly every game BioWare has made has the set-up for a follow-up. It was really no great shock when it was announced as a trilogy.

2.... You do realize that the wookiee planet Kashyyk is in two of those games? Are there just PARALELS in each "Galaxy"
THE ENTIRE STAR WARS MYTHOS IS IN THE SAME GALAXY.
LOOK. IT. UP!!!! ASK SOMEONE HERE, EVEN.

3. THERE IS ONLY SIX HEAVY ALTERATIONS TO THE THREE BASE ENDINGS!! It only says sisteen because it's SPLIT IN HALF for what you do in ME2. If you save the collector base, control is easer, if you blow it up, destroy is easer - THAT"S IT

Direct transcript from gameguide.

• Readiness Rating < 1750 – Earth is destroyed regardless of whatever decisions you made.
• Readiness Rating 1750 – Choose to Save the Reapers and the Earth will be saved.
• Readiness Rating 2050 – Choose to become a Reaper and the Earth will be saved.
• Readiness Rating 2350 – Choose to destroy the Reapers and Earth is destroyed.
• Readiness Rating 2650 – Choose to destroy the Repears and the Earth will be somewhat destroyed
• Readiness Rating 2800 – Earth and the Galaxy will be saved once you’re able to create synergy
• Readiness Rating 4000 – Choose to destroy the Reapers and Save Anderson to see Shepard alive.
• Readiness Rating 5000 – Choose to destroy the reapers and fail to Save Anderson to see Shepard alive.

Collector’s Base Destroyed in ME2

• Readiness Rating < 1750 – Earth is destroyed regardless of whatever decisions you made.
• Readiness Rating 1750 – Choose to become a Reaper and the Earth will be destroyed.
• Readiness Rating 1900 – Choose to destroy the Repears and the Earth will be somewhat -destroyed
• Readiness Rating 2350 – Choose to become a Reaper and the Earth will be saved.
• Readiness Rating 2650 – Choose to destroy the Reapers and Earth will be saved.
• Readiness Rating 2800 – Earth and the Galaxy will be saved once you’re able to create synergy
• Readiness Rating 4000 – Choose to destroy the Reapers and Save Anderson to see Shepard alive.
• Readiness Rating 5000 – Choose to destroy the reapers and fail to save Anderson to see Shepard alive.

THERE are your "Sixteen endings." Actually SIX TO EIGHT. And with the EC, it's easer to get all of them WITHOUT playing ME2, so really, JUST. EIGHT!!!

4. I know alot of people who would dispute that. I NEVER heard about complants THIS strong before. Not where they were THAT extreme for MORE THEN A MONTH.

5. LOOK IT UP! EVERYTHING IS IN THE SAME GALAXY!! JUST ASK SOMEONE!! THEY NEVER GO TO OTHER GALAXIES!!

Modifié par silverexile17s, 25 octobre 2012 - 04:33 .

[shadowkinz]

guys ME4 is gonna be a galaga type on-rails shooter where you play as reapershep and zap invaders from another galaxy.


lol but seriously i was trying to think of ways they can extend the canon of these endings into something.. like in control and destroy, shepard and the reapers (respectively) don't die (even tho shepard doesn't really die in control anyway, his consciousness elevates in a way), but theni dunno how they would tie in synthesis.

But with what i said for those 2, the control and destroy could be like the difference between nuking and keeping the collector base, with the small details being in destroy the reapers and shep have a temporary alliance (somehow) and in control, they've seen humanity in shepard's mind and decide to help.. i dunno.. was just a random brain pupu. I still think my best idea was my some pages ago

[Xamufam]

"you’re a soldier in the universe"
Or
"you will see the ubiverse trough a soldiers eyes"

Didn't they say exactly that before me 1.

Modifié par Troxa, 25 octobre 2012 - 05:57 .

[Tibbur]

I was thinking about this at work I think 4 will follow on from the green ending. the relays are rebuilt.
Since the galaxy is at peace and there's not much to do with the help of the reapers they set out to explore new galaxies. But what's this the inhabitants don't know the joy of synthesis thus the cycle continues.

[Nykara]

If ME4 doesn't fix up ME3 with Shep in it then there will no more ME for me, I'm done.

[PinkysPain]

Blueprotoss wrote...
ME isn't confined to one specific galaxy just like how Star Wars, Star Trek, Starcraft, and Halo aren't tied to only one galaxy.

You have no idea how science fiction works do you? All the stories told in those universes had humans for a start ... no humans, no dice it's that simple.

On top of that all the stories told in those universes had highly recognizeable common themes tying them together (Jedi, the Federation, MC lookalikes) as well. In ME none of the key elements can be preserved by just going to a different galaxy. The only way to do new ME stories outside of the contact war-macapocalypse time period is by canonizing destroy or using an alternative universe.

[Blueprotoss]

silverexile17s wrote...

1. Toche', but the game being disscussed here is ME. Besides, I hear that Halo is doing well, in spite of that.
Now, a question. I have a friend from a local Gamestop I talk with alot. His opinions mostly colored my views, since I talk with him about weather a game I'm looking at is any good.  According to him (Though it's just scuttlebutt from him), he thinks BioWare is in it's dying throws. He said that since Dragon Age II floped in comparison to it's predicessor (although that doesn't nessaraly mean it's HORRIBLE), Star Wars: The Old Republic is free to play after not even a year, the overpriced DLC packs, "war on used games" codes and now, the ending flop, that he thinks the company is less then a year from being dissolved and absorbed into the other EA divisions. Though, he's more the kind to rant then forgive. He DID say he BURNED his copy of ME3, (most likely sold it.. I think) so he's more the extrimest type. You are a bit more inclined to see where the developers stand, so I'll ask you:
Are any of the things he said true in YOUR opinion. I'll ask others, too, but I'd like a reference point.

To be fair most MMOs have either went completely free to play, free to play up to a certain level with/without restrictions, or subcription only while the Old Republic falls under free to play up to a certain level with restictions.  Dragon Age 2 more so flopped because "fans" demanded a sequel, which means the blame would be directed at the fanbase .  Its ironic that you're only talking about EA while half of the Gaming Industry in one way or another has "overpriced" DLC, "war on used games", and some people disliking their endings.

silverexile17s wrote...

2. ....I'll get back to you on that after I see if they do Deus Ex and Mass Effect right.

That doesn't make any sense.