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[BSpud]

Blueprotoss wrote...
That doesn't make any sense.

Now you know how WE feel!

[Blueprotoss]

silverexile17s wrote...

1. Nearly every game BioWare has made has the set-up for a follow-up. It was really no great shock when it was announced as a trilogy.

Yet you're surprised that some of them bipassed the trilogy concept.

silverexile17s wrote...

2.... You do realize that the wookiee planet Kashyyk is in two of those games? Are there just PARALELS in each "Galaxy"
THE ENTIRE STAR WARS MYTHOS IS IN THE SAME GALAXY.
LOOK. IT. UP!!!! ASK SOMEONE HERE, EVEN.

Yet they aren't in the same galaxy but they are in the same universe.

silverexile17s wrote...

3. THERE IS ONLY SIX HEAVY ALTERATIONS TO THE THREE BASE ENDINGS!! It only says sisteen because it's SPLIT IN HALF for what you do in ME2. If you save the collector base, control is easer, if you blow it up, destroy is easer - THAT"S IT

THERE are your "Sixteen endings." Actually SIX TO EIGHT. And with the EC, it's easer to get all of them WITHOUT playing ME2, so really, JUST. EIGHT!!!

I see that you still don't want to listen to reason even when the 16 different endings of ME3 are based on choices, EMS level, and Paragon/Renegade status.  Btw a good peice of evidence is looking in the ME3's artbook that has a small description for each ending.

silverexile17s wrote...

4. I know alot of people who would dispute that. I NEVER heard about complants THIS strong before. Not where they were THAT extreme for MORE THEN A MONTH.

Complaints have always been heard on BSN and Youtube while ME has always had complaints whether its based on the endings, the Mako, the inventory, or a specific character.

silverexile17s wrote...

5. LOOK IT UP! EVERYTHING IS IN THE SAME GALAXY!! JUST ASK SOMEONE!! THEY NEVER GO TO OTHER GALAXIES!!

I have looked it up and you're still wrong.

[Blueprotoss]

BeefheartSpud wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...
That doesn't make any sense.

Now you know how WE feel!

How is that when you're just using a strawman when you don't want to have a discussion.

[BSpud]

I love you.

[Blueprotoss]

PinkysPain wrote...

You have no idea how science fiction works do you? All the stories told in those universes had humans for a start ... no humans, no dice it's that simple.

If I didn't then I would be in your shoes.  Star Trek, Starcraft, and Halo allen started on Earth while the universe expanded with space travel outside of the Milky Way.  Star Wars has several galaxies to work with hence why I KotOR, Republic Commando, and Unleashed start in different galaxies.

PinkysPain wrote...

On top of that all the stories told in those universes had highly recognizeable common themes tying them together (Jedi, the Federation, MC lookalikes) as well. In ME none of the key elements can be preserved by just going to a different galaxy. The only way to do new ME stories outside of the contac t war-macapocalypse time period is by canonizing destroy or using an alternative universe.

ME is pretty much treated as a traditional sci-fi story and the Milky Way isn't the only galaxy, which would be a lot of wasted potenional.  Its sad that some people have to deny, deny, deny ME because of Mac then praise, praise, praise for Drew while nobody really knows in reality would did the "bad" writing.  It seems like too many people like you get mad over the most useless and meaningless things.

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 25 octobre 2012 - 03:53 .

[Kel Riever]

BeefheartSpud wrote...

I love you.

I've seen how you two look at each other.

Anyway, I don't think new galaxies are or are not a requirement for anything.  It is all in whether it is semi-believable or not.  And its been done well, though,  I would immediately say StarCraft fiction isn't a good example for, well, really anything.  Ever.  The rest, no prob.

[silverexile17s]

Blueprotoss wrote...

silverexile17s wrote...

1. Toche', but the game being disscussed here is ME. Besides, I hear that Halo is doing well, in spite of that.
Now, a question. I have a friend from a local Gamestop I talk with alot. His opinions mostly colored my views, since I talk with him about weather a game I'm looking at is any good.  According to him (Though it's just scuttlebutt from him), he thinks BioWare is in it's dying throws. He said that since Dragon Age II floped in comparison to it's predicessor (although that doesn't nessaraly mean it's HORRIBLE), Star Wars: The Old Republic is free to play after not even a year, the overpriced DLC packs, "war on used games" codes and now, the ending flop, that he thinks the company is less then a year from being dissolved and absorbed into the other EA divisions. Though, he's more the kind to rant then forgive. He DID say he BURNED his copy of ME3, (most likely sold it.. I think) so he's more the extrimest type. You are a bit more inclined to see where the developers stand, so I'll ask you:
Are any of the things he said true in YOUR opinion. I'll ask others, too, but I'd like a reference point.

To be fair most MMOs have either went completely free to play, free to play up to a certain level with/without restrictions, or subcription only while the Old Republic falls under free to play up to a certain level with restictions.  Dragon Age 2 more so flopped because "fans" demanded a sequel, which means the blame would be directed at the fanbase .  Its ironic that you're only talking about EA while half of the Gaming Industry in one way or another has "overpriced" DLC, "war on used games", and some people disliking their endings.

silverexile17s wrote...

2. ....I'll get back to you on that after I see if they do Deus Ex and Mass Effect right.

That doesn't make any sense.

1. That's not what I heard about DA2. I heard it was because there was no moving stroyling, recycled grapics that fell underpar compaired to it's predicesor, crap character personalities, and a quite forgetable protaganest.
You never answered my question. IS HE RIGHT? Is BioWare Dying?
2. If you think they WILL be good adaptations, I won't really be able to counter your argument unless I see them myself. And they are a ways out from now.

[silverexile17s]

Blueprotoss wrote...

silverexile17s wrote...

1. Nearly every game BioWare has made has the set-up for a follow-up. It was really no great shock when it was announced as a trilogy.

Yet you're surprised that some of them bipassed the trilogy concept.

silverexile17s wrote...

2.... You do realize that the wookiee planet Kashyyk is in two of those games? Are there just PARALELS in each "Galaxy"
THE ENTIRE STAR WARS MYTHOS IS IN THE SAME GALAXY.
LOOK. IT. UP!!!! ASK SOMEONE HERE, EVEN.

Yet they aren't in the same galaxy but they are in the same universe.

silverexile17s wrote...

3. THERE IS ONLY SIX HEAVY ALTERATIONS TO THE THREE BASE ENDINGS!! It only says sisteen because it's SPLIT IN HALF for what you do in ME2. If you save the collector base, control is easer, if you blow it up, destroy is easer - THAT"S IT

THERE are your "Sixteen endings." Actually SIX TO EIGHT. And with the EC, it's easer to get all of them WITHOUT playing ME2, so really, JUST. EIGHT!!!

I see that you still don't want to listen to reason even when the 16 different endings of ME3 are based on choices, EMS level, and Paragon/Renegade status.  Btw a good peice of evidence is looking in the ME3's artbook that has a small description for each ending.

silverexile17s wrote...

4. I know alot of people who would dispute that. I NEVER heard about complants THIS strong before. Not where they were THAT extreme for MORE THEN A MONTH.

Complaints have always been heard on BSN and Youtube while ME has always had complaints whether its based on the endings, the Mako, the inventory, or a specific character.

silverexile17s wrote...

5. LOOK IT UP! EVERYTHING IS IN THE SAME GALAXY!! JUST ASK SOMEONE!! THEY NEVER GO TO OTHER GALAXIES!!

I have looked it up and you're still wrong.

1. That IS suprising, but that's the point. YOU just said it. Trilogy-material games from BioWare are A GIVEN. People are only suprised if it DOES stay a stand alone game.

2... You CANNOT be that thick. Ask at Gamestop. Ask ANY SELF-RESPECTING fan here!! Every Book, Game, Cantoon, and Movie takes place in THE SAME GALAXY, IN THE SAME PART OF THE UNIVERSE! The state REPATEDLY that EXTRAgalactic travel (travel BETWEEN galaxys) is IMPOSSIBLE FOR THEM. They have mastered INTERgalactic travel (travel WITHIN their OWN galaxy). SAME GALAXY. For the LOVE OF GOD, SOMEONE TELL HIM THIS!!!

3. ... Where do you think the numbers from that last post CAME from?! That WAS typed from the BLOODY BOOK!!! It was considered "Sixteen" becaues the COST for some was lowered by the state of the Collecter base! that lowered cost was concidered a "Seperate ending" even though is was the same thing, just easer to unlock.

4. Not at THAT level. Besides, the Mako was replaced with the Hammerhead in ME2 and-
WAHT THE HELL AM I DOING?! I am NOT talking to you about veichle flaws now.

5 .Ask someone here! They will tell you that everything in the star wars mythos takes place in the same galaxy! Just different time zones, but it's the SAME exact galaxy EVERY TIME! All the episodes, games, and books take place at different time zones, in the SAME GALAXY!! Ask the developers! Ask ANYONE here!

[silverexile17s]

Blueprotoss wrote...

BeefheartSpud wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...
That doesn't make any sense.

Now you know how WE feel!

How is that when you're just using a strawman when you don't want to have a discussion.

What the hell is it with you and strawmen?
Are you a strawwoman or something?

[silverexile17s]

Blueprotoss wrote...

PinkysPain wrote...

You have no idea how science fiction works do you? All the stories told in those universes had humans for a start ... no humans, no dice it's that simple.

If I didn't then I would be in your shoes.  Star Trek, Starcraft, and Halo allen started on Earth while the universe expanded with space travel outside of the Milky Way.  Star Wars has several galaxies to work with hence why I KotOR, Republic Commando, and Unleashed start in different galaxies.

PinkysPain wrote...

On top of that all the stories told in those universes had highly recognizeable common themes tying them together (Jedi, the Federation, MC lookalikes) as well. In ME none of the key elements can be preserved by just going to a different galaxy. The only way to do new ME stories outside of the contac t war-macapocalypse time period is by canonizing destroy or using an alternative universe.

ME is pretty much treated as a traditional sci-fi story and the Milky Way isn't the only galaxy, which would be a lot of wasted potenional.  Its sad that some people have to deny, deny, deny ME because of Mac then praise, praise, praise for Drew while nobody really knows in reality would did the "bad" writing.  It seems like too many people like you get mad over the most useless and meaningless things.

Again I say. Star Wars is in ONLY ONE GALAXY.  They all take place in different TIME PERIODS. CAN'T SOMEONE TELL THIS GUY THAT BEFORE HE MAKES AN EVEN BIGGER FOOL OF HIMSELF.
Seriously, NO ONE can take your points as serious when you can't even get that right.

Modifié par silverexile17s, 25 octobre 2012 - 07:14 .

[PinkysPain]

Blueprotoss wrote...
Star Trek, Starcraft, and Halo allen started on Earth while the universe expanded with space travel outside of the Milky Way.  Star Wars has several galaxies to work with hence why I KotOR, Republic Commando, and Unleashed start in different galaxies.

None of the authors in those universes were stupid enough to drop an atom bomb on the setting and they were willing to just use retcons.

Star Trek is open ended into the future and has been retconned.

Star Wars is open ended both into the past and into the future.

Bioware is not going to retcon the macapocalypse and is not going to canonize destroy and especially not control (the only way to do control is to have a story where the universe throws off the shackles of the reapers conventionally ... and if there is one thing they will never do it's that). So they are stuck between a rock (humans as a non space going race) and a hard place (macapocalypse).

Put a fork in it, it's dead ... they'll do a prequel, it will do okay but not good enough to warrant their time afterwards.

ME is pretty much treated as a traditional sci-fi story and the Milky Way isn't the only galaxy

It's the only one in which a story with iconic elements of Mass Effect can be told.

Modifié par PinkysPain, 26 octobre 2012 - 05:29 .

[silverexile17s]

PinkysPain wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...
Star Trek, Starcraft, and Halo allen started on Earth while the universe expanded with space travel outside of the Milky Way.  Star Wars has several galaxies to work with hence why I KotOR, Republic Commando, and Unleashed start in different galaxies.

None of the authors in those universes were stupid enough to drop an atom bomb on the setting and they were willing to just use retcons.

Star Trek is open ended into the future and has been retconned.

Star Wars is open ended both into the past and into the future.

Bioware is not going to retcon the macapocalypse and is not going to canonize destroy and especially not control (the only way to do control is to have a story where the universe throws off the shackles of the reapers conventionally ... and if there is one thing they will never do it's that). So they are stuck between a rock (humans as a non space going race) and a hard place (macapocalypse).

Put a fork in it, it's dead ... they'll do a prequel, it will do okay but not good enough to warrant their time afterwards.

ME is pretty much treated as a traditional sci-fi story and the Milky Way isn't the only galaxy

It's the only one in which a story with iconic elements of Mass Effect can be told.

I agree. They KNOW the series is on it's dying breaths because the ending was TOO diffinitively closing to the story. This forth game was probably an attempt to re-ignite the love people had before. But now, I don't think anywhere NEAR as many people will get as excited about it as before.

[Xamufam]

silverexile17s wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

PinkysPain wrote...

You have no idea how science fiction works do you? All the stories told in those universes had humans for a start ... no humans, no dice it's that simple.

If I didn't then I would be in your shoes.  Star Trek, Starcraft, and Halo allen started on Earth while the universe expanded with space travel outside of the Milky Way.  Star Wars has several galaxies to work with hence why I KotOR, Republic Commando, and Unleashed start in different galaxies.

PinkysPain wrote...

On top of that all the stories told in those universes had highly recognizeable common themes tying them together (Jedi, the Federation, MC lookalikes) as well. In ME none of the key elements can be preserved by just going to a different galaxy. The only way to do new ME stories outside of the contac t war-macapocalypse time period is by canonizing destroy or using an alternative universe.

ME is pretty much treated as a traditional sci-fi story and the Milky Way isn't the only galaxy, which would be a lot of wasted potenional.  Its sad that some people have to deny, deny, deny ME because of Mac then praise, praise, praise for Drew while nobody really knows in reality would did the "bad" writing.  It seems like too many people like you get mad over the most useless and meaningless things.

Again I say. Star Wars is in ONLY ONE GALAXY.  They all take place in different TIME PERIODS. CAN'T SOMEONE TELL THIS GUY THAT BEFORE HE MAKES AN EVEN BIGGER FOOL OF HIMSELF.
Seriously, NO ONE can take your points as serious when you can't even get that right.

Don't bother, He's like a creationist.
Ignores the facts & says it's false, your opionion or something like that. (He sys someone changed wiki when he's wrong)

Modifié par Troxa, 26 octobre 2012 - 06:58 .

[Brian Lewis]

Can't and won't get excited for ME4, Not until they fix ME3. And with the new protagonist, how do we know he/she will not be thrown out like a piece of trash at the end just like Shepard was?

[GriM_AoD]

Meh. I'm personally hoping for Shep to do a Master Chief.
I'm aware how improbable this may be.... but still

[silverexile17s]

Troxa wrote...

silverexile17s wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

PinkysPain wrote...

You have no idea how science fiction works do you? All the stories told in those universes had humans for a start ... no humans, no dice it's that simple.

If I didn't then I would be in your shoes.  Star Trek, Starcraft, and Halo allen started on Earth while the universe expanded with space travel outside of the Milky Way.  Star Wars has several galaxies to work with hence why I KotOR, Republic Commando, and Unleashed start in different galaxies.

PinkysPain wrote...

On top of that all the stories told in those universes had highly recognizeable common themes tying them together (Jedi, the Federation, MC lookalikes) as well. In ME none of the key elements can be preserved by just going to a different galaxy. The only way to do new ME stories outside of the contac t war-macapocalypse time period is by canonizing destroy or using an alternative universe.

ME is pretty much treated as a traditional sci-fi story and the Milky Way isn't the only galaxy, which would be a lot of wasted potenional.  Its sad that some people have to deny, deny, deny ME because of Mac then praise, praise, praise for Drew while nobody really knows in reality would did the "bad" writing.  It seems like too many people like you get mad over the most useless and meaningless things.

Again I say. Star Wars is in ONLY ONE GALAXY.  They all take place in different TIME PERIODS. CAN'T SOMEONE TELL THIS GUY THAT BEFORE HE MAKES AN EVEN BIGGER FOOL OF HIMSELF.
Seriously, NO ONE can take your points as serious when you can't even get that right.

Don't bother, He's like a creationist.
Ignores the facts & says it's false, your opionion or something like that. (He sys someone changed wiki when he's wrong)

You've met him, I take it?

Modifié par silverexile17s, 26 octobre 2012 - 07:23 .

[Xamufam]

silverexile17s wrote...
You've met him, I take it?

no, but he's always like that on the forums

[silverexile17s]

Troxa wrote...

silverexile17s wrote...
You've met him, I take it?

no, but he's always like that on the forums

I have NO CLUE how someone could get the Star Wars timeline mixed up for a set of multiple galaxies. It... it just doesn't seem possible when you could just google it and see for yourself.

Modifié par silverexile17s, 26 octobre 2012 - 07:39 .

[CroGamer002]

Synthesis better not be canon.


And there better be a geth squadmate.

[Xamufam]

silverexile17s wrote...

Troxa wrote...

silverexile17s wrote...
You've met him, I take it?

no, but he's always like that on the forums

I have NO CLUE how someone could get the Star Wars timeline mixed up for a set of multiple galaxies. It... it just doesn't seem possible when you could just google it and see for yourself.

You are right, even in swtor it's that way.
Star wars is a civilization type 3. We are type 0, type 1 is planetary, type 2 is colonialism & type 3 is galactic.
Type 4 is when a civilization controls other galaxies.

Modifié par Troxa, 26 octobre 2012 - 08:06 .

[silverexile17s]

So, what ARE they going to do for this? Because they seem to have no where to go except a prequel, or a paralell spin-off, like that OS game, Mass Effect: Infiltrator.

[Iakus]

silverexile17s wrote...

So, what ARE they going to do for this? Because they seem to have no where to go except a prequel, or a paralell spin-off, like that OS game, Mass Effect: Infiltrator.

Mass Effect 4:  The Mulligan?  

[silverexile17s]

iakus wrote...

silverexile17s wrote...

So, what ARE they going to do for this? Because they seem to have no where to go except a prequel, or a paralell spin-off, like that OS game, Mass Effect: Infiltrator.

Mass Effect 4:  The Mulligan?  

.....Sure. Why not? What ELSE can they use at this point, after all?

Modifié par silverexile17s, 27 octobre 2012 - 04:26 .

[Element_Zero]

Ok this is going to take a bit of time for me to respond . . .

First off everyone needs to understand that societies are dynamic. It may not seem that way to one if you live in the very town you were born in but changes do happen there. Leave your town for a decade or two and come back and your going to find some things have changed. You may not notice such things while your living there at the time since these changes can come at various speeds.

We are also talking about a universe where a massive amount of distructive change occures rapidly in ME3 (aka the wrecking ball being the Reapers harvesting what? A Trillion? Over the time line of the game? Then there are those lost to the war. Thats a lot of lost souls to be replenished! Also some would be lost do to the extended travel time issues, at least until the relays are rebuilt or better engines are provided.) So it is going to take quite some time for things to get rebuilt. There is nothing saying that some of those societes may do some questionable things to speed up the process (hint: thus causing more problems latter on down the road.)

There seemed to be pockets in the universe where there were no relays. . . and I tend to be doubtful that the 'red, green, blue' waves could cover the entire universe.

So if they wanted to make a sequel a number of years down the road they very well could do that.

Also they could imploy some elements of each of the prime endings (control, synthesis, and destroy) into the game despite what others say. AKA maybe some of the Reapers fell under control. . . some died. . . and synthesis . . well maybe it didn't go quite as planned. <<< Could be some of the Reapers rejected control and are argueing how to retain it.  Could be some organisms rejected synthesis either on a biological level (allergy) or simply didn't want that kind of change and rebel. Could be not all of the reapers were killed and maybe their off licking their wounds somewhere bitter and resentful. <<<

Ok back on topic. . .
Shepard despite the endings has fought one hell of a battle and deserves rest. To me there isn't much room for more growth after ME 3 for Shepard if you ask me. And it would be nice to go a different route!

I rather they went away from the whole Solder / Specter status for now.  Start ME4 with some character that is just starting out or has been around for a little while. Like I've said before maybe their a theif, cop, spy, explorer, salvager, pirate, private eye, engineer or whatever. . . There are many different ways to get into trouble out there. It's just a matter of being in the wrong place at the wrong time.  Or your actions are the very cause of the problems. Maybe that character's actions allows them to possibly become a Specter or some other highly respected official in a later game?

Basically start with a building block. Build the story from there. This way there is room for the character to grow. Maybe have some events that widen this new character's perceptions. Maybe some or all of this person's team gets alientated or killed or in the process of trying to protect this character ends up having something happen to them. Later on as this character 'grows' they win back some of the team. Maybe in a latter game they have to do something to fix a problem they created in the early one. Who knows.

Something too many seem to gloss over is they did leave the door open a bit at the very end after the credits. Grandpa did say to the kid that he may have not gotten all of the details right. That is leaving the door open for a possible sequel, maybe not much but it is still open. Now rather they introduce a story or chacter in ME 4 that rips that door off the hinges. . .    Well that remains to be seen.

BTW: Something to note is that I'm against prequels or other stuff done in the ME1 - 3 timeline. . . Still though there is nothing stopping BW from making something that is a prequel either. I just think they don't have much luster since for the most part one already knows the story will tie in to events already known.

Modifié par Element_Zero, 27 octobre 2012 - 05:53 .

[shadowkinz]

ME4 better start off with shepard in the rubble, and since they don't want shepard anymore (i agree it's too much of the poor guy.. it's getting to the point of like dude, he's just 1 man), it could be shepard retelling the last 10 min of ME3 to the new protagonist lol

I have pretty good ideas for ME4 imo in other posts (the galaga shooter being a joke!).. I think most ppl are mad b/c we at least wanted to see our shepard relaxing with our LIs or something.. they could have found other ways to make it bittersweet.

Closure for our main protagonist woulda been nice.. i mean i know we technically have closure but still.. I hope shepard is in ME4, even just mentioned to be somewhere =(

But yeah like i said you could still (by importing your save) have your shepard be in various locations, like how if you save the collector base, vega quickly mentions it.. something like that.. "isn't shepard relaxing with that blue chic?" or something.. ANYthing!!!

Someone had a good idea of having shepard be in anderson's boots now