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[silverexile17s]

Element_Zero wrote...

Ok this is going to take a bit of time for me to respond . . .

First off everyone needs to understand that societies are dynamic. It may not seem that way to one if you live in the very town you were born in but changes do happen there. Leave your town for a decade or two and come back and your going to find some things have changed. You may not notice such things while your living there at the time since these changes can come at various speeds.

We are also talking about a universe where a massive amount of distructive change occures rapidly in ME3 (aka the wrecking ball being the Reapers harvesting what? A Trillion? Over the time line of the game? Then there are those lost to the war. Thats a lot of lost souls to be replenished! Also some would be lost do to the extended travel time issues, at least until the relays are rebuilt or better engines are provided.) So it is going to take quite some time for things to get rebuilt. There is nothing saying that some of those societes may do some questionable things to speed up the process (hint: thus causing more problems latter on down the road.)

There seemed to be pockets in the universe where there were no relays. . . and I tend to be doubtful that the 'red, green, blue' waves could cover the entire universe.

So if they wanted to make a sequel a number of years down the road they very well could do that.

Also they could imploy some elements of each of the prime endings (control, synthesis, and destroy) into the game despite what others say. AKA maybe some of the Reapers fell under control. . . some died. . . and synthesis . . well maybe it didn't go quite as planned. <<< Could be some of the Reapers rejected control and are argueing how to retain it.  Could be some organisms rejected synthesis either on a biological level (allergy) or simply didn't want that kind of change and rebel. Could be not all of the reapers were killed and maybe their off licking their wounds somewhere bitter and resentful. <<<

Ok back on topic. . .
Shepard despite the endings has fought one hell of a battle and deserves rest. To me there isn't much room for more growth after ME 3 for Shepard if you ask me. And it would be nice to go a different route!

I rather they went away from the whole Solder / Specter status for now.  Start ME4 with some character that is just starting out or has been around for a little while. Like I've said before maybe their a theif, cop, spy, explorer, salvager, pirate, private eye, engineer or whatever. . . There are many different ways to get into trouble out there. It's just a matter of being in the wrong place at the wrong time.  Or your actions are the very cause of the problems. Maybe that character's actions allows them to possibly become a Specter or some other highly respected official in a later game?

Basically start with a building block. Build the story from there. This way there is room for the character to grow. Maybe have some events that widen this new character's perceptions. Maybe some or all of this person's team gets alientated or killed or in the process of trying to protect this character ends up having something happen to them. Later on as this character 'grows' they win back some of the team. Maybe in a latter game they have to do something to fix a problem they created in the early one. Who knows.

Something too many seem to gloss over is they did leave the door open a bit at the very end after the credits. Grandpa did say to the kid that he may have not gotten all of the details right. That is leaving the door open for a possible sequel, maybe not much but it is still open. Now rather they introduce a story or chacter in ME 4 that rips that door off the hinges. . .    Well that remains to be seen.

BTW: Something to note is that I'm against prequels or other stuff done in the ME1 - 3 timeline. . . Still though there is nothing stopping BW from making something that is a prequel either. I just think they don't have much luster since for the most part one already knows the story will tie in to events already known.

But there IS no where else TO go with it other then a paralel spin-off, or prequal. THINK about it. After how extreme the responce was to the endings, do you REALLY think that they will risk building this on top of a literal LAND MINE?

And they ALREADY did that with the first two Deus Ex games, which will just ADD to the thought that BioWare plagerized from that series, given the similar structure of the endgame choices and consiquences. Making ALL the possible endings partway cannon is EXACTALLY what Deus Ex did, and it will only ADD to the bad rep that still lingers around the ending.

It would not just be "A number of years down the road." It would have to be A LOT LONGER then that. SO long that everything you did is just about entirely forgoten. But then, it would hardly be reconizable as ME at that point. And, worse, it would make you feel even MORE like nothing you did ment anything, and that the endings really DID have no impact.

This would be the case AGAIN if they did what you said, and incorporated parts of ALL of them into a cannon storyline, as it would just bring up MORE flak about making new ending options, if the ones we have really DIDN'T matter anyway, if they were ALL just going to be mashed up into a new stroyline anyway.

I'm sorry, but making a game that takes place after the 3rd game is a suicide move. In truth, I think announcing a new game at ALL, let alone while STILL adding DLC to this one, SOO SOON after that mess, is a suicide move. The smart move at this point, since they have made it QUITE CLEAR they won't alter the ending any further,  would have been to cut losses, and to just STOP the games at 3.

I am truly sorry, since I am one of the one's that didn't like the BS endings (and thus, partly responcible), but.... The hard truth is....

The horid responce fans had to the 3rd game's ending killed the series and any promise it had afterward.

Sorry.

Modifié par silverexile17s, 27 octobre 2012 - 06:12 .

[Element_Zero]

Beg to differ . . but I disagree with you silverexile17s. While I agree the endings were bad there is nothing stopping them from making another game. And really shouldn't be.

I played Dues Ex 1 - 3 and 'Invisible War' was in my opinion one of the worst sequels. I felt Ion Storm / Eidos made that to justify a certain ending in which, by far I didn't care for. And I also thought the recent released prequel ending was not that great either. But those things said Bio Ware didn't produce or write Dues Ex.

As far as the whole 'LAND MINE' thing. . It's there regardless of where ever in the timeline they make the game. Some out there may not return to the series. And some will never let go or return to the series because of that 'LAND MINE'. My only thing is I don't want BW rubbing my noise in it latter on about how this ending is suppose to be better than that some other one in a latter game like Dues Ex 'Invisible War' did. I'll still say my actions proved that AI and organics can get along just fine as long as there is positive guidance as they grow.

The boards prove some hold torches for one hell of a long time. . Hells bells I saw someone posting something about the way Shepard walks / limps in ME2 here on the boards just yesterday and how that's a game breaker for them respectively! (And those things have been discussed nearly a year ago now!) And the whole thermal clip / gun overheat debacle continues to pop up time and time again. So if we make a prequel will we go back to the way ME1 was? I guarantee you that some will still scream over that.

I also am of the opinion that the events around ME 1 - 3 & Shepard will still be legendary for many years down the road do to the extreme loss of life in the ME Universe regardless of outcome. Should they make a sequel; do I have a opinion as to how far they should go? I don't honestly know. I lean towards a 100 years. Some of the aliens will have a long enough lifespan in which they could remember bits of the reaper war. And those long lifespans tend to enlongate certain societal views for a long time.

Also due to the way the orignal endings were done I suppose you would catagorize me. I felt they didn't matter anyway since with each one I had lost some or all of what I was originally fighting for. To me each ending is demoralizing in different ways. (Many who have argued out there have made more than enough valid points I agree with.) In my eyes Shepard seemed to be built up as a uncompromising force but at the end you compromise in the worse ways with each ending. What's shocking is that so many (that haven't complained) seem to agree with this premise! So the endings didn't matter that much to me. Hells bells I don't care if they wipe them clean from the records. Even the Extended Cut didn't fix that! And I can't comment on the DLC's since I haven't bought any just yet. So for me there going to be the 'black eye'' that will remain with ME for many years to come rather they make another one or not. Something to note here I as well was passionate about ME I've spent many hours on the game and still play parts of it despite the endings so I have been well invested with the game.

I'm also of the thought that they should put what I'll call the BSN 'rebellion' to the endings in the next game if they do a sequel. I think it would be therapeutic in a way. Maybe the new protagonist can tear them somewhat apart with a new ME series of games. My thinking is that this way it would allow some to rid there hate of them. After all why not play it out! But those are just concepts I tend to toss out there for the hell of it.

As far as the whole cannon - non cannon thing goes. . . Or even not making a game. You guys are pushing others into a corner that doesn't need to be there. Some of us would still like to see a new game based in the Mass Effect Universe. Now rather they do that or not is up to them.

Modifié par Element_Zero, 27 octobre 2012 - 08:01 .

[MassEffect762]

Wish they could say the same for EA.

Stay tuned kids more crap to come! yay!

Modifié par MassEffect762, 27 octobre 2012 - 08:49 .

[silverexile17s]

Element_Zero wrote...

Beg to differ . . but I disagree with you silverexile17s. While I agree the endings were bad there is nothing stopping them from making another game. And really shouldn't be.

I played Dues Ex 1 - 3 and 'Invisible War' was in my opinion one of the worst sequels. I felt Ion Storm / Eidos made that to justify a certain ending in which, by far I didn't care for. And I also thought the recent released prequel ending was not that great either. But those things said Bio Ware didn't produce or write Dues Ex.

As far as the whole 'LAND MINE' thing. . It's there regardless of where ever in the timeline they make the game. Some out there may not return to the series. And some will never let go or return to the series because of that 'LAND MINE'. My only thing is I don't want BW rubbing my noise in it latter on about how this ending is suppose to be better than that some other one in a latter game like Dues Ex 'Invisible War' did. I'll still say my actions proved that AI and organics can get along just fine as long as there is positive guidance as they grow.

The boards prove some hold torches for one hell of a long time. . Hells bells I saw someone posting something about the way Shepard walks / limps in ME2 here on the boards just yesterday and how that's a game breaker for them respectively! (And those things have been discussed nearly a year ago now!) And the whole thermal clip / gun overheat debacle continues to pop up time and time again. So if we make a prequel will we go back to the way ME1 was? I guarantee you that some will still scream over that.

I also am of the opinion that the events around ME 1 - 3 & Shepard will still be legendary for many years down the road do to the extreme loss of life in the ME Universe regardless of outcome. Should they make a sequel; do I have a opinion as to how far they should go? I don't honestly know. I lean towards a 100 years. Some of the aliens will have a long enough lifespan in which they could remember bits of the reaper war. And those long lifespans tend to enlongate certain societal views for a long time.

Also due to the way the orignal endings were done I suppose you would catagorize me. I felt they didn't matter anyway since with each one I had lost some or all of what I was originally fighting for. To me each ending is demoralizing in different ways. (Many who have argued out there have made more than enough valid points I agree with.) In my eyes Shepard seemed to be built up as a uncompromising force but at the end you compromise in the worse ways with each ending. What's shocking is that so many (that haven't complained) seem to agree with this premise! So the endings didn't matter that much to me. Hells bells I don't care if they wipe them clean from the records. Even the Extended Cut didn't fix that! And I can't comment on the DLC's since I haven't bought any just yet. So for me there going to be the 'black eye'' that will remain with ME for many years to come rather they make another one or not. Something to note here I as well was passionate about ME I've spent many hours on the game and still play parts of it despite the endings so I have been well invested with the game.

I'm also of the thought that they should put what I'll call the BSN 'rebellion' to the endings in the next game if they do a sequel. I think it would be therapeutic in a way. Maybe the new protagonist can tear them somewhat apart with a new ME series of games. My thinking is that this way it would allow some to rid there hate of them. After all why not play it out! But those are just concepts I tend to toss out there for the hell of it.

As far as the whole cannon - non cannon thing goes. . . Or even not making a game. You guys are pushing others into a corner that doesn't need to be there. Some of us would still like to see a new game based in the Mass Effect Universe. Now rather they do that or not is up to them.

Yes, there is nothing stopping them from making another game. BUT, it WON'T be a follow up, or anything that takes place AFTER  ME3. Not THIS soon, at least.

And you HAVE to admit that the way the Deus Ex games ended was DRAMATICALLY similar to how ME3 did.

Deus Ex: Unite with Helios AI and build a template for new life-form.
Mass Effect 3: Synthesis, uniting organic and synthetics into a new life form.

Deus Ex: Take Control of the Illumnati after beating their leader and watch over the world, with politcal power that men could only dream of, guiding and protecting them.
Mass Effect 3: Replace the Catalyst as the Reapers governing inteligence and take Control of them, remaking them into the new guardians of civalization.

Deus Ex: Destroy everything in the base, wiping the slate clean and anilating all advanced synthetic technology and artifical intelligence that exists.
Mass Effect 3: Destroy the threat at the cost of most advanced technology and all artifical intelligence and synthetic life.
You CAN'T just deny the simalarities.

And those things you talk about had a reletively good amount of time to heal. Announcing a game this soon after that mess is bad in every sence of the word, as it also make it look like they are desprate to bury that fiasco. And THIS was practally the MOTHER of all fiascos. This is far too sensitive a subject to re-open soo soon after that.

Now, if they try to make ANOTHER game AFTER this one, THEN that would be a good time to think about something thyat could possibly take place after ME3. But right now?  Not a snowball's chance in hell. And if they do try it right now,  the reaction to the retconns woul kill the series Dead on Arrival.

Now, I DO agree with you on your points about the endings. Each ending you pick kills one of the reasons you had for fighting.
Destroy: Kills the prospect of organic/synthetic peace.
Control: Kills the prospect of living life free from reliance on the Reapers presance.
Synthesis: Kills the prospect of evolving and making choices on one's own tearms.
It was just SOO bittersweet that I never could bring myself to FINISH any of my other playthroughs. I only went through the game's end three times since buying it, and I NEVER even did Synthesis. THAT was what pissed me off the most - The fact that I felt that, not only did NONE of the choices I made in the trilogy mattered, but that not even any of THE FINAL CHOICES mattered.

And sonehow, in rergards to that plot of yours, I think they might take offence to that. We all saw what happened with the endings. They will NOT poke the hornets nest after they just got through treating the stings ladt time. I'm sorry, but if they do that, they may lose even MORE of the fan base. The series is practally being kept alive by the multiplayer at this point. The protaginest "tearing into them a bit" is not going to be a good idea, since they are STILL in lingering damage control mode over that mess. They're already vunerble with their co-founders retiring, so hey CANNOT afford to risk rocking the boat, now that the calm has returned, to be metaphorical.

I'm just stating fact. The fan responce was quite viloent. I serously doubt that ANY game title will get an overly positive reaction from the fans at this point.  A sequal will be torn into for whatever retconns that would have to be done regarding the endings to make it work. And a prequel or spin-off will be torn into for being just add-ons to a story that's already Stapled shut with iron rods. There is NO right option anymore in which they can go. 
It just doesn't look like ME is going to recover from this. That mess was the end of the story, all right. But not the way BioWare/EA intended it to be, as it was basically a death blow.

I'm sorry, but it seems that one way or another, this next one may be the last ME game, if it gets into full production.

Modifié par silverexile17s, 27 octobre 2012 - 08:54 .

[Element_Zero]

True ME3 and Deus Ex endings blended a bit too much for me as well.

Ultimately what I enjoy is your passion on it and it reminded me of mine with the series. But there is a minor detail I disagree with.

I know the other fans have become just as attached to their version of Shepard as I have. Their postings time and time again prove this. But at some point there needs to be a bit openmindedness and reasoning applied to things. Still like I've said though these endings will be a bitter point for me as well as many others out there for some time.

Something you have to understand as well though I really loved the game play in ME1 so when ME2 came out I was like WTF?!?? The gameplay was changed so drastically?!?? But if I held onto those issues I had with ME2. . Well ME1 would have been the end of the series for me. But here I am still playing ME3 even though I hate the endings. I spoke to how well I supported ME3 too by not buying the CE this time around either. And I used to consider myself a rabid fan of it, but not so much anymore. (I also don't want to be too negative here either but yea the endings as well as a few other things within the game left me wondering what was going on. But I don't expect those answers to ever come. I can only speculate. . . Was it fiscal issues, major rewrites, issues in the office? I haven't the clue.)

The thing is they can't have teams just set around with nothing to do while some of the fan base tries to come to grips with what has happened to Shepard in ME3. So open up a new IP? Well any way they go its a gamble. And I'm sure the managers are more than aware of that within the offices of BW and EA. Rather they end up alienating the lot of us or not is going to probabily boil down to hard numbers.

And yea I know the other fans have become just as attached to their version of Shepard as I have. Their postings time and time again prove this. But at some point there needs to be a bit openmindedness and reasoning applied to things. Still like I've said though these endings will be a bitter point for me as well as many others out there for some time.

Ok now where I disagree a bit. While yes I know the fan base rebelled it is going to be very hard to say how long some of these folks hold onto their pitchforks and torches. I tend or maybe the best way of saying it is I try not to speak for others out there either and hey I'm not always successful either! But forcing a outcome upon the 'ME3 ending' and Bio Ware didn't seem to me like the best way to end the IP as it stands either. So forcing a better ending . . (Ha I just realized ironically I suppose in some ways those actions parallels what the little creap starbrat er the lighted child did to our Shepards at least in the orginal endings! Humm I suppose depending on how one looks at it within the Extended Cut too.) upon Bio Ware may not be the best course of action. But allowing us to fight our dreaded endings with in a new game itself? And no ending should be left unscathed! Oh boy that would be quite the turn of events and something never done before!

My suggestion on allowing players to fight the ending choices though is a compromise more or less. I know there are limits with resources and yea it sucks but their there for a reason. *sighs* Retconning? Cannonizing? Well that is probabily one of the stiffest choices many fans can make out there at this point. Don't get me wrong I understand very well where some of that passion is grounded in! (I know when I was growing up the Star War's novels left me with the occausional WTF moment and that can't be right?!?!  And how dose this tie into?!?) The failing is that while in Shepard's shoes you know what happened. But the groundpounder on the ground is going to have a entirely different viewpoint and so is the guy maybe making dull maintence checks on board a ship in space. The thing is at the very end it seems BW wants you to believe that the story was being told by Grandpa to the kid. So *shrugs* isn't that a element of the story? Right wrong or otherwise? Aren't folks already retconning that element out?

Still those things said in that last paragraph really dosen't mean anything nor dose it mean they will even go this the route of letting us fight the ending choices within the new game.

Anyway I'm tired as hell out here. . . Good luck!

Modifié par Element_Zero, 27 octobre 2012 - 10:11 .

[silverexile17s]

Element_Zero wrote...

True ME3 and Deus Ex endings blended a bit too much for me as well.

Ultimately what I enjoy is your passion on it and it reminded me of mine with the series. But there is a minor detail I disagree with.

I know the other fans have become just as attached to their version of Shepard as I have. Their postings time and time again prove this. But at some point there needs to be a bit openmindedness and reasoning applied to things. Still like I've said though these endings will be a bitter point for me as well as many others out there for some time.

Something you have to understand as well though I really loved the game play in ME1 so when ME2 came out I was like WTF?!?? The gameplay was changed so drastically?!?? But if I held onto those issues I had with ME2. . Well ME1 would have been the end of the series for me. But here I am still playing ME3 even though I hate the endings. I spoke to how well I supported ME3 too by not buying the CE this time around either. And I used to consider myself a rabid fan of it, but not so much anymore. (I also don't want to be too negative here either but yea the endings as well as a few other things within the game left me wondering what was going on. But I don't expect those answers to ever come. I can only speculate. . . Was it fiscal issues, major rewrites, issues in the office? I haven't the clue.)

The thing is they can't have teams just set around with nothing to do while some of the fan base tries to come to grips with what has happened to Shepard in ME3. So open up a new IP? Well any way they go its a gamble. And I'm sure the managers are more than aware of that within the offices of BW and EA. Rather they end up alienating the lot of us or not is going to probabily boil down to hard numbers.

And yea I know the other fans have become just as attached to their version of Shepard as I have. Their postings time and time again prove this. But at some point there needs to be a bit openmindedness and reasoning applied to things. Still like I've said though these endings will be a bitter point for me as well as many others out there for some time.

Ok now where I disagree a bit. While yes I know the fan base rebelled it is going to be very hard to say how long some of these folks hold onto their pitchforks and torches. I tend or maybe the best way of saying it is I try not to speak for others out there either and hey I'm not always successful either! But forcing a outcome upon the 'ME3 ending' and Bio Ware didn't seem to me like the best way to end the IP as it stands either. So forcing a better ending . . (Ha I just realized ironically I suppose in some ways those actions parallels what the little creap starbrat er the lighted child did to our Shepards at least in the orginal endings! Humm I suppose depending on how one looks at it within the Extended Cut too.) upon Bio Ware may not be the best course of action. But allowing us to fight our dreaded endings with in a new game itself? And no ending should be left unscathed! Oh boy that would be quite the turn of events and something never done before!

My suggestion on allowing players to fight the ending choices though is a compromise more or less. I know there are limits with resources and yea it sucks but their there for a reason. *sighs* Retconning? Cannonizing? Well that is probabily one of the stiffest choices many fans can make out there at this point. Don't get me wrong I understand very well where some of that passion is grounded in! (I know when I was growing up the Star War's novels left me with the occausional WTF moment and that can't be right?!?!  And how dose this tie into?!?) The failing is that while in Shepard's shoes you know what happened. But the groundpounder on the ground is going to have a entirely different viewpoint and so is the guy maybe making dull maintence checks on board a ship in space. The thing is at the very end it seems BW wants you to believe that the story was being told by Grandpa to the kid. So *shrugs* isn't that a element of the story? Right wrong or otherwise? Aren't folks already retconning that element out?

Still those things said in that last paragraph really dosen't mean anything nor dose it mean they will even go this the route of letting us fight the ending choices within the new game.

Anyway I'm tired as hell out here. . . Good luck!

Thakns. And even though we have different viewpoints, I do see that you share the same passions for the series. As for how the new game will turn out... Well, since they'll get flak over it no matter which way they go, it doesn't matter how they choose to take the plunge. Who knows? Maybe they'll actually suceeed in pulling something out of nowhere.  I'll still worry about fan responce, esepecally since they haven't finished with ME3 yet, and already a new game is announced.

Regardless of how that goes, it's nice to see someone that has viewpoints that are justified as much as mine are, who is civil about it. ("To each, their own," I believe it goes)
Good luck out there.

[Stella-Arc]

 I might be persuaded if I get to play as a Quarian. Might being the keyword. 

*shrug*

I'm not all that excited about a new Mass Effect game to be honest. Curious, yes, but not excited. ME3 left a bitter taste in my mouth. 

[ZeCollectorDestroya]

I want to play as an Asari (I think I already posted in this thread) that will only lure me in.

I'm very excited! You can't not get me excited about a game like Star Wars.

[spockjedi]

Let the franchise die with dignity. Or leave it in stasis for some years and reboot it.

[Steveo19]

I think the next mass effect game should be a Elder Scrolls/Fallout style RPG set either right before ME1 or in between ME1 and 2.

[silverexile17s]

Sora Shepherd wrote...

If it's a prequel, meh. There isn't much left of the ME universe that I'm interested in seeing more depth in.

If its a sequel, I'm going to brace myself for ME4: Invisible War with how drastically varied the endings are.

LOL. That's good. I HOPE any sequel repairs the damage to the series fan base. If it IS a sequel.
I mean, I don't think doing a sequel THIS soon after is what's happening, especally since they are still working on DLC for ME3. Most likely, this is going to be a prequel or paralel spin-off.

[silverexile17s]

MrFob wrote...

I think that is good news. Several reasons:
1. What would the plot be? I mean come on, we (more or less) defeated the greatest threat the galaxy has known for what? Several million years at least? Any new story with Shepard would either be anticlimactic or would have to build up an even bigger issue which would be kinda ridiculous.
2. After the endings, I don't see how the ME universe can effectively move forward anyway. Even if you were to canonize one ending (and it would have to be the destroy one in that case) you'd have to nullify a lot of stuff that happened to go back to a recognizable setting. Or you do not, both alternatives are not good IMO. That leaves us with either a prequel or a far future where everything that happened is already irrelevant.
3. I don't get why people are opposed to the idea of seeing the ME universe from another perspective. I am not, I think it would be especially interesting to play a non human character. That is before the ME3 endings messed up the universe as a whole in the first place but that's a different issue.

IMO, the best choice for BW would be to leave the ME universe be for a couple of years. DO a different project in the meantime and come back with a fresh start after a while. That would yake a lot of weight and a lot of baggage off the dev's shoulders. I do understand that from a business perspective this is not a good idea but frankly, business oriented decisions is exactly what got BW in a rather precarious position in the first place.

So "no Shepard" is good, a new ME game right away is a bad idea. I remain skeptical.

I agree with you. I also agree that I am worried about how the series will do with a game announced this soon. Unless they have a REALLY kick-ass idea in store, this could be a bonehead move.

Modifié par silverexile17s, 14 novembre 2012 - 08:57 .

[Iakus]

spockjedi wrote...

Let the franchise die with dignity. Or leave it in stasis for some years and reboot it.

Too late for it to go out with dignity, if this is truly the final word on the endings. Anything ME related is going to be viewed with suspicion for years to come.  

It should be quietly buried for a few years before considering a reboot.

[spockjedi]

iakus wrote...

spockjedi wrote...

Let the franchise die with dignity. Or leave it in stasis for some years and reboot it.

Too late for it to go out with dignity, if this is truly the final word on the endings. Anything ME related is going to be viewed with suspicion for years to come.  

It should be quietly buried for a few years before considering a reboot.

You're right. I should've written "Let the franchise die with the small dignity it still has."
Or bury it for at least ten years and come back with a reboot that starts similarly to ME1, but ends in a very different way that ME3 did.

[Chief Commander]

Bioware need to pull a Halo 4. That alone should show them that you can´t just leave the fate of such a popular hero in the balance. Halo without Chief is the same as Mass Effect without Shepard.

[Blueprotoss]

silverexile17s wrote...

1. That's not what I heard about DA2. I heard it was because there was no moving stroyling, recycled grapics that fell underpar compaired to it's predicesor, crap character personalities, and a quite forgetable protaganest.
You never answered my question. IS HE RIGHT? Is BioWare Dying?

2. If you think they WILL be good adaptations, I won't really be able to counter your argument unless I see them myself. And they are a ways out from now.

Thats a strawman but its easy to say something like that without playing the game yourself and most of the Bioware games have had their main protagonists changed to a different character.

Thats another strawman whether or not most of the video adaptations without Uwe Boll have made a lot of money and have earned a ot of praise just what comic book movies still go through.

silverexile17s wrote...

What the hell is it with you and strawmen? 
Are you a strawwoman or something?

I see you don't know what a strawman is even when you're twisting the topic to prove opinion is right, but opinion can never be fact especiall with logic.  I see that insulting others is too easy for you.

silverexile17s wrote...

I agree. They KNOW the series is on it's dying breaths because the ending was TOO diffinitively closing to the story. This forth game was probably an attempt to re-ignite the love people had before. But now, I don't think anywhere NEAR as many people will get as excited about it as before.

How is that when you clearly don't work with Lucas, Bioware, or a Roddenberry.

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 29 octobre 2012 - 02:16 .

[Blueprotoss]

silverexile17s wrote...

1. That IS suprising, but that's the point. YOU just said it. Trilogy-material games from BioWare are A GIVEN. People are only suprised if it DOES stay a stand alone game.

Yet you're still trying to pull a red herring since Bioware aren't tied to trilogies.

silverexile17s wrote...

2... You CANNOT be that thick. Ask at Gamestop. Ask ANY SELF-RESPECTING fan here!! Every Book, Game, Cantoon, and Movie takes place in THE SAME GALAXY, IN THE SAME PART OF THE UNIVERSE! The state REPATEDLY that EXTRAgalactic travel (travel BETWEEN galaxys) is IMPOSSIBLE FOR THEM. They have mastered INTERgalactic travel (travel WITHIN their OWN galaxy). SAME GALAXY. For the LOVE OF GOD, SOMEONE TELL HIM THIS!!!

So I see you're using another strawman which is now Gamestop for Star Wars knowledge.  Apparently I'm not the one thats thick based on how I have been a Star Wars fan for about 20 years.  Either way KotOR, Republic Commando, and Unleashed happen in the same Universe but not the same galaxy.

silverexile17s wrote...

3. ... Where do you think the numbers from that last post CAME from?! That WAS typed from the BLOODY BOOK!!! It was considered "Sixteen" becaues the COST for some was lowered by the state of the Collecter base! that lowered cost was concidered a "Seperate ending" even though is was the same thing, just easer to unlock.

I highly doubt that since it wasn't from the ME3 artbook or the Art of the Mass Effect Universe.

silverexile17s wrote...

4. Not at THAT level. Besides, the Mako was replaced with the Hammerhead in ME2 and-
WAHT THE HELL AM I DOING?! I am NOT talking to you about veichle flaws now.

Still there was rage and the Hammerhead was only used in a small handful of levels in ME2, which most of that paytime belonged to the Project Overlord DLC.

silverexile17s wrote...

5 .Ask someone here! They will tell you that everything in the star wars mythos takes place in the same galaxy! Just different time zones, but it's the SAME exact galaxy EVERY TIME! All the episodes, games, and books take place at different time zones, in the SAME GALAXY!! Ask the developers! Ask ANYONE here!

Thats a lie especially when this is a ME3 thread and this is also the Internet.

[Blueprotoss]

Troxa wrote...

Don't bother, He's like a creationist.
Ignores the facts & says it's false, your opionion or something like that. (He sys someone changed wiki when he's wrong)

Thats pretty ironic based on how you just described yourself.  Alsio Wikipedia in any form isn't that accurate and isn't that trustworthy.

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 29 octobre 2012 - 02:20 .

[Blueprotoss]

PinkysPain wrote...

None of the authors in those universes were stupid enough to drop an atom bomb on the setting and they were willing to just use retcons.
Star Trek is open ended into the future and has been retconned.

Star Wars is open ended both into the past and into the future.

Yet ME3 isn't a retcon but Star Wars and Star Trek have their fair share of retcons.

PinkysPain wrote...

Bioware is not going to retcon the macapocalypse and is not going to canonize destroy and especially not control (the only way to do control is to have a story where the universe throws off the shackles of the reapers conventionally ... and if there is one thing they will never do it's that). So they are stuck between a rock (humans as a non space going race) and a hard place (macapocalypse).

Its petty to bindly blame Mac even when he has done most of writing for the ME comics before what he wrote in ME1 and ME2.

PinkysPain wrote...

Put a fork in it, it's dead ... they'll do a prequel, it will do okay but not good enough to warrant their time afterwards.

Haters gonna hate especially when Drew wasn't "present" and some people had way too high expectations.

PinkysPain wrote...

It's the only one in which a story with iconic elements of Mass Effect can be told.

Thats a lie especially when ME has borrowed a lot from Star Wars and Star Trek.

[silverexile17s]

Blueprotoss wrote...

silverexile17s wrote...

1. That's not what I heard about DA2. I heard it was because there was no moving stroyling, recycled grapics that fell underpar compaired to it's predicesor, crap character personalities, and a quite forgetable protaganest.
You never answered my question. IS HE RIGHT? Is BioWare Dying?

2. If you think they WILL be good adaptations, I won't really be able to counter your argument unless I see them myself. And they are a ways out from now.

Thats a strawman but its easy to say something like that without playing the game yourself and most of the Bioware games have had their main protagonists changed to a different character.

Thats another strawman whether or not most of the video adaptations without Uwe Boll have made a lot of money and have earned a ot of praise just what comic book movies still go through.

silverexile17s wrote...

What the hell is it with you and strawmen? 
Are you a strawwoman or something?

I see you don't know what a strawman is even when you're twisting the topic to prove opinion is right, but opinion can never be fact especiall with logic.  I see that insulting others is too easy for you.

silverexile17s wrote...

I agree. They KNOW the series is on it's dying breaths because the ending was TOO diffinitively closing to the story. This forth game was probably an attempt to re-ignite the love people had before. But now, I don't think anywhere NEAR as many people will get as excited about it as before.

How is that when you clearly don't work with Lucas, Bioware, or a Roddenberry.

1. First off: I DID play Dragon Age: Origins. (Well, with my cousin). DA2, however... Never took a liking to it. I played the demo, and part of my cousin's copy, but didn't care for it as much as I did with DA:O. The characters felt more like steriotypes.  And with DA:O, I trully felt satisfied with the endings they gave us, and the extra one in the Which Hunt DLC. Second, I never complained about changing the protagonest. I just ment that he seamed... flatter, character-wise, compaired to his predasessor.

2. And for movies, I must also point you now to Silent Hill: Revalations. 
I searched online and found a reviewer named JeremyJhans. He's stated, (ironically in a review of his own of Silent Hill: Revalations) that game-based movies are generally beleaved to be something that should not happen. Just about everyone I've seen appears to feel the same.

3. I Do know what the term strawman is. And it's pretty ironic, because it is (source: Wikipedia)"A type of argument and is an informal fallacy based on misrepresentation of an opponent's position. To "attack a straw man" is to create the illusion of having refuted a
proposition by replacing it with a superficially similar yet
unequivalent proposition (the "straw man"), and refuting it, without
ever having actually refuted the original position,"  and that is the perfect description of you.  I WAS right. You really ARE a strawman.

4. Have YOU worked with any of them?
If you worked with Lucas, you would have KNOWN Star Wars was not multiple galaxies, but a single galaxy spread across several time periods.
Don't call the kettle black, mr. pot.

[kyban]

chrissicross wrote...

I think it's good to begin something new.

Shepard's story is over. He deserved a better ending though.

Damn Skippy!

[silverexile17s]

Blueprotoss wrote...

silverexile17s wrote...

1. That IS suprising, but that's the point. YOU just said it. Trilogy-material games from BioWare are A GIVEN. People are only suprised if it DOES stay a stand alone game.

Yet you're still trying to pull a red herring since Bioware aren't tied to trilogies.

silverexile17s wrote...

2... You CANNOT be that thick. Ask at Gamestop. Ask ANY SELF-RESPECTING fan here!! Every Book, Game, Cantoon, and Movie takes place in THE SAME GALAXY, IN THE SAME PART OF THE UNIVERSE! The state REPATEDLY that EXTRAgalactic travel (travel BETWEEN galaxys) is IMPOSSIBLE FOR THEM. They have mastered INTERgalactic travel (travel WITHIN their OWN galaxy). SAME GALAXY. For the LOVE OF GOD, SOMEONE TELL HIM THIS!!!

So I see you're using another strawman which is now Gamestop for Star Wars knowledge.  Apparently I'm not the one thats thick based on how I have been a Star Wars fan for about 20 years.  Either way KotOR, Republic Commando, and Unleashed happen in the same Universe but not the same galaxy.

silverexile17s wrote...

3. ... Where do you think the numbers from that last post CAME from?! That WAS typed from the BLOODY BOOK!!! It was considered "Sixteen" becaues the COST for some was lowered by the state of the Collecter base! that lowered cost was concidered a "Seperate ending" even though is was the same thing, just easer to unlock.

I highly doubt that since it wasn't from the ME3 artbook or the Art of the Mass Effect Universe.

silverexile17s wrote...

4. Not at THAT level. Besides, the Mako was replaced with the Hammerhead in ME2 and-
WAHT THE HELL AM I DOING?! I am NOT talking to you about veichle flaws now.

Still there was rage and the Hammerhead was only used in a small handful of levels in ME2, which most of that paytime belonged to the Project Overlord DLC.

silverexile17s wrote...

5 .Ask someone here! They will tell you that everything in the star wars mythos takes place in the same galaxy! Just different time zones, but it's the SAME exact galaxy EVERY TIME! All the episodes, games, and books take place at different time zones, in the SAME GALAXY!! Ask the developers! Ask ANYONE here!

Thats a lie especially when this is a ME3 thread and this is also the Internet.

1. I NEVER said that, mr. "Strawman." What I said was that no one is SURPRISED if a BioWare game becomes a series. Knights of the Old Republic got a sequel, despite the fact it was from another company. Pandemic, which  merged with BioWare, formed the Star Wars: Empire at War game, which got an expansion pack continuation. And EA is well knowen for making series. (Dead Space. The Lord of the Rings: The Battle for Middle Earth games, the Wing Commander series. The Medal of Honor series. The many sims games. the Battlefield Series. The Crysis series. The NFL game series.  the Army of Two games.  All developed under EA, and it's dividions)I wasn't really suprised by the news that Dragon Age and Mass Effect would each be a series as well. 

2. Uggg.... I meant that anyone working at Gamestop would have knolodge of those games. It was a friggin example. And HOW can you possibly be a fan TWENTY YEARS, and NOT know something SO BASIC to the series Core as that?! Star Wars is a SINGLE GALAXY. Every bit of lore happens IN THIS ONE GALAXY. All of it is spread over several timelines and time periods. Everything you have described takes place at different points of the galactic TIMELINE, NOT different galaxies across a universe.

3. The Book DID say that. You have mixxed up the sixteen different WAYS to unlock the Eight ending options, with the idea that there are sixteen different ENDINGS. There are NOT.
If EVERYONE - ALL these different people  disagree with you on these things, don't you think there is a REASON besides the arrogant self-assumption that they ALL must be instantly wrong?

4. That is the POINT. The fans wanted a point where you could have SOME vehicle sections without them ruling the gameplay. Thay HONORED that fan request, with the "Firewalker' and "Overlord" packs.

5. There ARE people here who played KotOR, and currently play TOR. This IS the BioWare Social Forms, not the "Mass Effect" Forms. Put a poll up asking if Star Wars is multiple galaxies. I think you will be suprised at the answer.

Modifié par silverexile17s, 29 octobre 2012 - 05:00 .

[silverexile17s]

Blueprotoss wrote...

Troxa wrote...

Don't bother, He's like a creationist.
Ignores the facts & says it's false, your opionion or something like that. (He sys someone changed wiki when he's wrong)

Thats pretty ironic based on how you just described yourself.  Alsio Wikipedia in any form isn't that accurate and isn't that trustworthy.

Actually, most, if not all, wikis are quite accurate. Data is taken straight from source material.
And since you NEVER leave anyone talking to any choice but to respond in kind to your tone, the ironic thing is how you accuse everyone else of using strawmen when you yourself are perhapse the biggest strawman alive. I wouldn't be surprised if YOUR discription is where the term originated.

:Had to be done. He left me no choice.

[silverexile17s]

Blueprotoss wrote...

PinkysPain wrote...

None of the authors in those universes were stupid enough to drop an atom bomb on the setting and they were willing to just use retcons.
Star Trek is open ended into the future and has been retconned.

Star Wars is open ended both into the past and into the future.

Yet ME3 isn't a retcon but Star Wars and Star Trek have their fair share of retcons.

PinkysPain wrote...

Bioware is not going to retcon the macapocalypse and is not going to canonize destroy and especially not control (the only way to do control is to have a story where the universe throws off the shackles of the reapers conventionally ... and if there is one thing they will never do it's that). So they are stuck between a rock (humans as a non space going race) and a hard place (macapocalypse).

Its petty to bindly blame Mac even when he has done most of writing for the ME comics before what he wrote in ME1 and ME2.

PinkysPain wrote...

Put a fork in it, it's dead ... they'll do a prequel, it will do okay but not good enough to warrant their time afterwards.

Haters gonna hate especially when Drew wasn't "present" and some people had way too high expectations.

PinkysPain wrote...

It's the only one in which a story with iconic elements of Mass Effect can be told.

Thats a lie especially when ME has borrowed a lot from Star Wars and Star Trek.

1. But ME has had retcons. Mass Effect: Deception has been retconned, until a later time when a re-written version of the book, constant with the lore, is released.

2. He WAS one of the main writers.

3... He didn't mention Drew. And ME really IS dead at this point, since there is NO way they can go with the series that isn't like stepping on a land-mine.
"Hatters gonna Hate," (fighting fire with fire, as they say)  but either way, this new game may not even get past the production stage with all the bad blood that has been created. And even if it DOES, it will most likely NOT be able to recapture the intrest and devotion of the community, regardless of if it's a prequel, sequel, or spin-off, the series is dying. Unless someone pulls something out of their ass, the series is practally dead at this point, and just waiting for the Time of Death to be called.

4. Actually, it's called cold hard facts. There really IS no other galaxy that Mass Effect can take place in besides the Milky Way. Games like these always NEED elements of their predesesors in order to give the player something to relate to. Like I said before, WHY do you think humans existed in Star Wars? Go to another galaxy, and it's starting from scratch. NOTHING from the other games could be put into this one, meaning that this game COULD NOT be considered Mass Effect, since there would and could not be ANYTHING related to Mass Effect IN this new galaxy.
Having Mass Effect in another galaxy is impossible. And I DON't want to hear you wail about it if you get proven wrong after all the fuss you made on the prospect.
Good God, so THIS is how Shepard felt when trying to convince the Council the Reapers were real. They won't believe the truth unless it kicks down the door and starts blowing everything up.

Modifié par silverexile17s, 29 octobre 2012 - 04:57 .

[Blueprotoss]

silverexile17s wrote...

1. First off: I DID play Dragon Age: Origins. (Well, with my cousin). DA2, however... Never took a liking to it. I played the demo, and part of my cousin's copy, but didn't care for it as much as I did with DA:O. The characters felt more like steriotypes.  And with DA:O, I trully felt satisfied with the endings they gave us, and the extra one in the Which Hunt DLC. Second, I never complained about changing the protagonest. I just ment that he seamed... flatter, character-wise, compaired to his predasessor.

Again you missed the point because you still didn't play DA2 and that opinions will vary on things whether you hate/love something.

silverexile17s wrote...

2. And for movies, I must also point you now to Silent Hill: Revalations. 
I searched online and found a reviewer named JeremyJhans. He's stated, (ironically in a review of his own of Silent Hill: Revalations) that game-based movies are generally beleaved to be something that should not happen. Just about everyone I've seen appears to feel the same.

Thats a strawman and it sounds like you can't form your own opinion without Youtube or BSN being involved.

silverexile17s wrote...

3. I Do know what the term strawman is. And it's pretty ironic, because it is (source: Wikipedia)"A type of argument and is an informal fallacy based on misrepresentation of an opponent's position. To "attack a straw man" is to create the illusion of having refuted a
proposition by replacing it with a superficially similar yet
unequivalent proposition (the "straw man"), and refuting it, without
ever having actually refuted the original position,"  and that is the perfect description of you.  I WAS right. You really ARE a strawman.

If you really knew what a strawman was then you wouldn't be distorting the facts by trying to turn opinion into fact.  Btw Wikipedia in general isn't that accurate and trustworthy, which is the real irony here.

silverexile17s wrote...

4. Have YOU worked with any of them?
If you worked with Lucas, you would have KNOWN Star Wars was not multiple galaxies, but a single galaxy spread across several time periods.
Don't call the kettle black, mr. pot.

Its ironic that you would throw Lucas in even when Bioware created the KotOR out of their own ideas based on how Lucas gave them freedom to do so.  Maybe you should think before you speak before trying to create another strawman with "pot calling the kettle black" since you'e abusing that phrase.