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[Blueprotoss]

silverexile17s wrote...

1. I NEVER said that, mr. "Strawman." What I said was that no one is SURPRISED if a BioWare game becomes a series. Knights of the Old Republic got a sequel, despite the fact it was from another company. Pandemic, which  merged with BioWare, formed the Star Wars: Empire at War game, which got an expansion pack continuation. And EA is well knowen for making series. (Dead Space. The Lord of the Rings: The Battle for Middle Earth games, the Wing Commander series. The Medal of Honor series. The many sims games. the Battlefield Series. The Crysis series. The NFL game series.  the Army of Two games.  All developed under EA, and it's dividions)I wasn't really suprised by the news that Dragon Age and Mass Effect would each be a series as well.

Oh the irony and insults still won't work on me.  You do realize that Bioware hired Obsidian to do most of the work in KotOR 2 like what happened with Betheseda on Fallout: New Vegas .  It sounds like you're just showing blind rage for EA, which is a pathetic reason even if you hate them.

silverexile17s wrote...

2. Uggg.... I meant that anyone working at Gamestop would have knolodge of those games. It was a friggin example. And HOW can you possibly be a fan TWENTY YEARS, and NOT know something SO BASIC to the series Core as that?! Star Wars is a SINGLE GALAXY. Every bit of lore happens IN THIS ONE GALAXY. All of it is spread over several timelines and time periods. Everything you have described takes place at different points of the galactic TIMELINE, NOT different galaxies across a universe.

Yet you're still making assumptions here because most people aren't experts on Star Wars just like on Star Trek.  It seems like you also forget that KotOR is set thousands of years before Vader becomes Vader,  Republic Commandos mainy takes place outside of Republic space, and Unleashed mainly takes place on the fringe worlds way out of Imperial space.

silverexile17s wrote...

3. The Book DID say that. You have mixxed up the sixteen different WAYS to unlock the Eight ending options, with the idea that there are sixteen different ENDINGS. There are NOT.
If EVERYONE - ALL these different people  disagree with you on these things, don't you think there is a REASON besides the arrogant self-assumption that they ALL must be instantly wrong?

Yet there are 16 different endings based alone on choice, EMS rating, and Paragon/Renegade level which isn't shown in your so-called "book".  Again look at the ME3 artbook or the Art of the Mass Effect Universe to see the real listings.

silverexile17s wrote...

4. That is the POINT. The fans wanted a point where you could have SOME vehicle sections without them ruling the gameplay. Thay HONORED that fan request, with the "Firewalker' and "Overlord" packs.

"Fans" don't really know what they want without the Mako being a discussion especially when you look at the large amount of gameplay differences between ME1 and ME2.

silverexile17s wrote...

5. There ARE people here who played KotOR, and currently play TOR. This IS the BioWare Social Forms, not the "Mass Effect" Forms. Put a poll up asking if Star Wars is multiple galaxies. I think you will be suprised at the answer.

I'm pretty sure you haven't played those games even if Bioware was listed as the Developer.

[Blueprotoss]

silverexile17s wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

Troxa wrote...

Don't bother, He's like a creationist.
Ignores the facts & says it's false, your opionion or something like that. (He sys someone changed wiki when he's wrong)

Thats pretty ironic based on how you just described yourself.  Alsio Wikipedia in any form isn't that accurate and isn't that trustworthy.

Actually, most, if not all, wikis are quite accurate. Data is taken straight from source material.
And since you NEVER leave anyone talking to any choice but to respond in kind to your tone, the ironic thing is how you accuse everyone else of using strawmen when you yourself are perhapse the biggest strawman alive. I wouldn't be surprised if YOUR discription is where the term originated.

:Had to be done. He left me no choice.

If thats true about Wikipedia and Wikia then there would be no need for Moderators since its constantly switched to provide negaive information hence why most people take that information with a grain of salt.  

[Blueprotoss]

silverexile17s wrote...

1. But ME has had retcons. Mass Effect: Deception has been retconned, until a later time when a re-written version of the book, constant with the lore, is released.

Yet Deception isn't being re-written and you act as if other Expanded Universe books haven't been torn about by "fans", which this has happened previously with Star Wars and Star Trek

silverexile17s wrote...

2. He WAS one of the main writers.

This is a red herring especialy when Drew has never announced on how much he wrote for ME3 and its very convenient to blame Mac for no valid reason.  Either way there's a chain of command and that tells us writers don't have the biggest amount of control.

silverexile17s wrote...

3... He didn't mention Drew. And ME really IS dead at this point, since there is NO way they can go with the series that isn't like stepping on a land-mine.
"Hatters gonna Hate," (fighting fire with fire, as they say)  but either way, this new game may not even get past the production stage with all the bad blood that has been created. And even if it DOES, it will most likely NOT be able to recapture the intrest and devotion of the community, regardless of if it's a prequel, sequel, or spin-off, the series is dying. Unless someone pulls something out of their ass, the series is practally dead at this point, and just waiting for the Time of Death to be called.

Its easy to deny Mac and put Drew on a pedestal since Drew left ME3  for the Old Replubic then retired a year later from Bioware.  There will aways be "fans" overacting even when you give them what they want.

silverexile17s wrote...

4. Actually, it's called cold hard facts. There really IS no other galaxy that Mass Effect can take place in besides the Milky Way. Games like these always NEED elements of their predesesors in order to give the player something to relate to. Like I said before, WHY do you think humans existed in Star Wars? Go to another galaxy, and it's starting from scratch. NOTHING from the other games could be put into this one, meaning that this game COULD NOT be considered Mass Effect, since there would and could not be ANYTHING related to Mass Effect IN this new galaxy.
Having Mass Effect in another galaxy is impossible. And I DON't want to hear you wail about it if you get proven wrong after all the fuss you made on the prospect.
Good God, so THIS is how Shepard felt when trying to convince the Council the Reapers were real. They won't believe the truth unless it kicks down the door and starts blowing everything up.

Actually you're using opinions which means those "hard facts" that you're using are really glorified opinions.  If you wanted to focus on facts then you wouldn't be extremely biased like you currently are since you want to be objective as possible to provide the facts.

[silverexile17s]

Blueprotoss wrote...

silverexile17s wrote...

1. First off: I DID play Dragon Age: Origins. (Well, with my cousin). DA2, however... Never took a liking to it. I played the demo, and part of my cousin's copy, but didn't care for it as much as I did with DA:O. The characters felt more like steriotypes.  And with DA:O, I trully felt satisfied with the endings they gave us, and the extra one in the Which Hunt DLC. Second, I never complained about changing the protagonest. I just ment that he seamed... flatter, character-wise, compaired to his predasessor.

Again you missed the point because you still didn't play DA2 and that opinions will vary on things whether you hate/love something.

silverexile17s wrote...

2. And for movies, I must also point you now to Silent Hill: Revalations. 
I searched online and found a reviewer named JeremyJhans. He's stated, (ironically in a review of his own of Silent Hill: Revalations) that game-based movies are generally beleaved to be something that should not happen. Just about everyone I've seen appears to feel the same.

Thats a strawman and it sounds like you can't form your own opinion without Youtube or BSN being involved.

silverexile17s wrote...

3. I Do know what the term strawman is. And it's pretty ironic, because it is (source: Wikipedia)"A type of argument and is an informal fallacy based on misrepresentation of an opponent's position. To "attack a straw man" is to create the illusion of having refuted a
proposition by replacing it with a superficially similar yet
unequivalent proposition (the "straw man"), and refuting it, without
ever having actually refuted the original position,"  and that is the perfect description of you.  I WAS right. You really ARE a strawman.

If you really knew what a strawman was then you wouldn't be distorting the facts by trying to turn opinion into fact.  Btw Wikipedia in general isn't that accurate and trustworthy, which is the real irony here.

silverexile17s wrote...

4. Have YOU worked with any of them?
If you worked with Lucas, you would have KNOWN Star Wars was not multiple galaxies, but a single galaxy spread across several time periods.
Don't call the kettle black, mr. pot.

Its ironic that you would throw Lucas in even when Bioware created the KotOR out of their own ideas based on how Lucas gave them freedom to do so.  Maybe you should think before you speak before trying to create another strawman with "pot calling the kettle black" since you'e abusing that phrase.

1. I played enough. And I watched the end with my cousin. It just... Seems less fulfilling then DA:O did. More like the whole dame game was just a build-up for the next one. At least in ME2 you feel like it was WORTH it when you take out the Collector Base.

2. I've been scorned by the Resident Evil movies before. As I was with Mortal Kombat: Armageddon. And the first Silent Hill was nowhere near as good as the game. Most GOOD adaptations came form COMICS. Video games... Not so much.

3. So, do you DENY the discription of what a strawman is? And the only one who has EVER distorted fact and redirected them at others has been you. You still try to distort facts about Star Wars lore, for one, and make YOUR opinion into fact. If EVERYONE who talks about you has the SAME general consensis about what you do, don't you think there's a REASON for that?

4. First off, YOUR sentince is what's ironic, since you abute the terms "Strawman, red herring, to be fair, haters gonna hate," and "That's ironic" more times then I can count.
And second. again, you avoided the question. Have. You. Worked. With. Any. Of. Them?
If not, then don't presume to hold yourself up as some almighy Oracle. Especally since, looking at the posts, no one really takes what you've said seirously.

Modifié par silverexile17s, 02 novembre 2012 - 07:00 .

[MarchWaltz]

I still want it to be an RPG.

Like jade empire, mass 1, dragon age orgins, kotor.....

[silverexile17s]

Blueprotoss wrote...

silverexile17s wrote...

1. I NEVER said that, mr. "Strawman." What I said was that no one is SURPRISED if a BioWare game becomes a series. Knights of the Old Republic got a sequel, despite the fact it was from another company. Pandemic, which  merged with BioWare, formed the Star Wars: Empire at War game, which got an expansion pack continuation. And EA is well knowen for making series. (Dead Space. The Lord of the Rings: The Battle for Middle Earth games, the Wing Commander series. The Medal of Honor series. The many sims games. the Battlefield Series. The Crysis series. The NFL game series.  the Army of Two games.  All developed under EA, and it's dividions)I wasn't really suprised by the news that Dragon Age and Mass Effect would each be a series as well.

Oh the irony and insults still won't work on me.  You do realize that Bioware hired Obsidian to do most of the work in KotOR 2 like what happened with Betheseda on Fallout: New Vegas .  It sounds like you're just showing blind rage for EA, which is a pathetic reason even if you hate them.

silverexile17s wrote...

2. Uggg.... I meant that anyone working at Gamestop would have knolodge of those games. It was a friggin example. And HOW can you possibly be a fan TWENTY YEARS, and NOT know something SO BASIC to the series Core as that?! Star Wars is a SINGLE GALAXY. Every bit of lore happens IN THIS ONE GALAXY. All of it is spread over several timelines and time periods. Everything you have described takes place at different points of the galactic TIMELINE, NOT different galaxies across a universe.

Yet you're still making assumptions here because most people aren't experts on Star Wars just like on Star Trek.  It seems like you also forget that KotOR is set thousands of years before Vader becomes Vader,  Republic Commandos mainy takes place outside of Republic space, and Unleashed mainly takes place on the fringe worlds way out of Imperial space.

silverexile17s wrote...

3. The Book DID say that. You have mixxed up the sixteen different WAYS to unlock the Eight ending options, with the idea that there are sixteen different ENDINGS. There are NOT.
If EVERYONE - ALL these different people  disagree with you on these things, don't you think there is a REASON besides the arrogant self-assumption that they ALL must be instantly wrong?

Yet there are 16 different endings based alone on choice, EMS rating, and Paragon/Renegade level which isn't shown in your so-called "book".  Again look at the ME3 artbook or the Art of the Mass Effect Universe to see the real listings.

silverexile17s wrote...

4. That is the POINT. The fans wanted a point where you could have SOME vehicle sections without them ruling the gameplay. Thay HONORED that fan request, with the "Firewalker' and "Overlord" packs.

"Fans" don't really know what they want without the Mako being a discussion especially when you look at the large amount of gameplay differences between ME1 and ME2.

silverexile17s wrote...

5. There ARE people here who played KotOR, and currently play TOR. This IS the BioWare Social Forms, not the "Mass Effect" Forms. Put a poll up asking if Star Wars is multiple galaxies. I think you will be suprised at the answer.

I'm pretty sure you haven't played those games even if Bioware was listed as the Developer.

1. See. "Irony" again. You JUST admited that BioWare games usually get continued when you said that they HIRED Obsidian to do it. And since EA games usually get franchised, and BioWare became a division of them, making ME and DA into series really was not a shocker. I don't hate them, and I never said anything about hating them. As I said before, you indeed embody the strawman by putting words in the mouths of others and painting your opinion as fact.

2. EXACTALLY. THAT'S ALL IN THE SAME GALAXY. you JUST said it yourself.
KotOR is BEFORE Vader's rise. 4,000 years before the Empire.
RC is actually started during Ep II on Geonosis. THEN progresses to outskirt worlds. During the Clone Wars.
TFU is on the borders of the Empire. Before the Rebellion.
THESE ARE ALL THE SAME GALAXY. Just different TIME POINTS. I KNEW all of this. This is all one galaxy, spread over multiple POINTS IN TIME.

3.
Collector Base Saved in ME2

• Readiness Rating < 1750 – Earth is destroyed regardless of whatever decisions you made.
• Readiness Rating 1750 – Choose to become a Reaper and the Earth will be destroyed.
• Readiness Rating 2050 – Choose to become a Reaper and the Earth will be saved.
• Readiness Rating 2350 – Choose to destroy the Reapers and Earth is destroyed.
• Readiness Rating 2650 – Choose to destroy the Repears and the Earth will be somewhat destroyed
• Readiness Rating 2800 – Earth and the Galaxy will be saved once you’re able to create synergy
• Readiness Rating 4000 – Choose to destroy the Reapers and Save Anderson to see Shepard alive.
• Readiness Rating 5000 – Choose to destroy the reapers and fail to Save Anderson to see Shepard alive.

Collector Base Destroyed in ME2

• Readiness Rating < 1750 – Earth is destroyed regardless of whatever decisions you made.
• Readiness Rating 1750 – Choose to become a Reaper and the Earth will be destroyed.
• Readiness Rating 1900 – Choose to destroy the Repears and the Earth will be somewhat destroyed
• Readiness Rating 2350 – Choose to become a Reaper and the Earth will be saved.
• Readiness Rating 2650 – Choose to destroy the Reapers and Earth will be saved.
• Readiness Rating 2800 – Earth and the Galaxy will be saved once you’re able to create synergy
• Readiness Rating 4000 – Choose to destroy the Reapers and Save Anderson to see Shepard alive.
• Readiness Rating 5000 – Choose to destroy the reapers and fail to save Anderson to see Shepard alive.

The ONLY difference is that the level of nessary Effective Military Strength needed for Destroy or Control changes. THAT'S IT. The Art of Mass Effect 3 also details what DIDN'T make it into the ending. Are you SURE you aren't mixing that up?

4. I know fans wanted the ending of ME3 to make sense, and we got an EC for it. And like I said, all fan requests (Vehicle levels, back-story comic for those that don't have ME1, and Liara relationship option in ME2, Prothean, EC, Collectors, Volus, and Omega for ME3) have been honored at this point.

5. Yes, I played ST: TOR. But I forgo the subscription. (dropped it) I don't have the money like that to burn every month. I need to think about collage.
Point is, I know from playing those that Star Wars is just One galaxy. Like I said, put up a poll, and if you TRULLY believe that Star Wars is multiple galaxies, I think the poll results will be a surprise.

Modifié par silverexile17s, 26 novembre 2012 - 07:17 .

[silverexile17s]

Blueprotoss wrote...

silverexile17s wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

Troxa wrote...

Don't bother, He's like a creationist.
Ignores the facts & says it's false, your opionion or something like that. (He sys someone changed wiki when he's wrong)

Thats pretty ironic based on how you just described yourself.  Alsio Wikipedia in any form isn't that accurate and isn't that trustworthy.

Actually, most, if not all, wikis are quite accurate. Data is taken straight from source material.
And since you NEVER leave anyone talking to any choice but to respond in kind to your tone, the ironic thing is how you accuse everyone else of using strawmen when you yourself are perhapse the biggest strawman alive. I wouldn't be surprised if YOUR discription is where the term originated.

:Had to be done. He left me no choice.

If thats true about Wikipedia and Wikia then there would be no need for Moderators since its constantly switched to provide negaive information hence why most people take that information with a grain of salt.  

Exactally. You have said it yourself. They have Moderators to ENSURE that information is accurate. And with the ME wiki, I compair the data with the game book. It's accurate.

[silverexile17s]

Blueprotoss wrote...

silverexile17s wrote...

1. But ME has had retcons. Mass Effect: Deception has been retconned, until a later time when a re-written version of the book, constant with the lore, is released.

Yet Deception isn't being re-written and you act as if other Expanded Universe books haven't been torn about by "fans", which this has happened previously with Star Wars and Star Trek

silverexile17s wrote...

2. He WAS one of the main writers.

This is a red herring especialy when Drew has never announced on how much he wrote for ME3 and its very convenient to blame Mac for no valid reason.  Either way there's a chain of command and that tells us writers don't have the biggest amount of control.

silverexile17s wrote...

3... He didn't mention Drew. And ME really IS dead at this point, since there is NO way they can go with the series that isn't like stepping on a land-mine.
"Hatters gonna Hate," (fighting fire with fire, as they say)  but either way, this new game may not even get past the production stage with all the bad blood that has been created. And even if it DOES, it will most likely NOT be able to recapture the intrest and devotion of the community, regardless of if it's a prequel, sequel, or spin-off, the series is dying. Unless someone pulls something out of their ass, the series is practally dead at this point, and just waiting for the Time of Death to be called.

Its easy to deny Mac and put Drew on a pedestal since Drew left ME3  for the Old Replubic then retired a year later from Bioware.  There will aways be "fans" overacting even when you give them what they want.

silverexile17s wrote...

4. Actually, it's called cold hard facts. There really IS no other galaxy that Mass Effect can take place in besides the Milky Way. Games like these always NEED elements of their predesesors in order to give the player something to relate to. Like I said before, WHY do you think humans existed in Star Wars? Go to another galaxy, and it's starting from scratch. NOTHING from the other games could be put into this one, meaning that this game COULD NOT be considered Mass Effect, since there would and could not be ANYTHING related to Mass Effect IN this new galaxy.
Having Mass Effect in another galaxy is impossible. And I DON't want to hear you wail about it if you get proven wrong after all the fuss you made on the prospect.
Good God, so THIS is how Shepard felt when trying to convince the Council the Reapers were real. They won't believe the truth unless it kicks down the door and starts blowing everything up.

Actually you're using opinions which means those "hard facts" that you're using are really glorified opinions.  If you wanted to focus on facts then you wouldn't be extremely biased like you currently are since you want to be objective as possible to provide the facts.

1. Did you MISS the article in which they said they had to alter the content of Deception to match cannon? That's called a retcon. Especally since all copies of the book sold thus far had to discredeted until the revisions are complete.

2. He STILL did writing for it. I was saying they both have a part in it. But from what we know, much of the plot that Drew suggested regarding the possilbe dark energy plot was ignored.

3. It's called "I don't want this series to die."
Or, in this case, it's called, "I don't want this series to be remembered as the one that ended with the giant screw-up." Had Drew stayed, I think the ending would have at LEAST borrowed a littel less from Deus Ex.

4. That's YOUR modis operandi, not mine. It's just fact. Mass Effect can be no where else but the Milky Way. Would Star Wars work if it was suddenly mixed with a Star Trek like galaxy? Could you imagine a Stargate universe that exists without Stargates?
Going to a different galaxy would be starting from scratch. NOTHING could really be linked to the first games, and as such, it really would not be part of the series if you did that.
Just as Star Wars, Star Trek, and Stargate have stayed in their respective zones, keeping to where we can relate to the other scetions of their respective lore we've seen, Mass Effect will do the same.

[Blueprotoss]

silverexile17s wrote...

1. I played enough. And I watched the end with my cousin. It just... Seems less fulfilling then DA:O did. More like the whole dame game was just a build-up for the next one. At least in ME2 you feel like it was WORTH it when you take out the Collector Base.

Yet you still dont know what you want especially when DA has a seperate main character compared to the same main character that ME has since ME has Shepard while DA has a different Grey Warden.  Its okay to like ME2 over ME3 based on personal opinion but ME2 has become the fake crutch for some people to stand on against ME3 because ME2 in general is a weak game.

silverexile17s wrote...

2. I've been scorned by the Resident Evil movies before. As I was with Mortal Kombat: Armageddon. And the first Silent Hill was nowhere near as good as the game. Most GOOD adaptations came form COMICS. Video games... Not so much.

You do realize that video game movies are adaptations for a reason because they don't want to create a scene for scene movie based on a game, which this happens a lot in comic book movies and still does.  Hopefully you also have the same bias for comic book movies that you have for video game movies so you can stay consistant.

silverexile17s wrote...

3. So, do you DENY the discription of what a strawman is? And the only one who has EVER distorted fact and redirected them at others has been you. You still try to distort facts about Star Wars lore, for one, and maky YOUR opinion into fact. If EVERYONE who talks about you has the SAME general consensis about what you do, don't you think there's a REASON for that?

I haven't denied anything but I see you're still not interested on staying on topic because you have no reason to do so since you don't want your opinion to be trumpt by fact.

silverexile17s wrote...

4. First off, YOUR sentince is what's ironic, since you abute the terms "Strawman, red herring, to be fair, haters gonna hate," and "That's ironic" more times then I can count.
And second. again, you avoided the question. Have. You. Worked. With. Any. Of. Them?
If not, then don't presume to hold yourself up as some almighy Oracle. Especally since, looking at the posts, no one really takes what you've said seirously.

For irony to appear I would have to unwillinging contradict myself, which that hasn't happened t me but that has happened to you.  I wonder if you'll ever stay on topic here.

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 31 octobre 2012 - 03:06 .

[Blueprotoss]

silverexile17s wrote...

1. See. "Irony" again. You JUST admited that BioWare games usually get continued when you said that they HIRED Obsidian to do it. And since EA games usually get franchised, and BioWare became a division of them, making ME and DA into series really was not a shocker. I don't hate them, and I never said anything about hating them. As I said before, you indeed embody the strawman by putting words in the mouths of others and painting your opinion as fact.

I see you don't know what irony means even when you're just complaining over anyting and EA is far from the root of all evil.  Hopefully you do realize that Bioware did work with Obsidian on KotOR2 and Neverwinter Nights 2 even when they hired Obsidian to do most of the work, which Valve and Bethesda have similar policies.  Biased hatred will always be blind.

silverexile17s wrote...

2. EXACTALLY. THAT'S ALL IN THE SAME GALAXY. you JUST said it yourself.
KotOR is BEFORE Vader's rise. 4,000 years before the Empire.
RC is actually started during Ep II on Geonosis. THEN progresses to outskirt worlds. During the Clone Wars.
TFU is on the borders of the Empire. Before the Rebellion.
THESE ARE ALL THE SAME GALAXY. Just different TIME POINTS. I KNEW all of this. This is all one galaxy, spread over multiple POINTS IN TIME.

If it was the same then the galxies in KotOR wouldn't differ from the galaxies in Republic Commando and Unleashed.

silverexile17s wrote...

3.  The ONLY difference is that the level of nessary Effective Military Strength needed for Destroy or Control changes. THAT'S IT. The Art of Mass Effect 3 also details what DIDN'T make it into the ending. Are you SURE you aren't mixing that up?

I see that you're still not interested in the facts and there's a lot more variables then that small list.  Again you still have to look at the ME3 artbook or the Art of the Mass Effect Universe.

silverexile17s wrote...

4. I know fans wanted the ending of ME3 to make sense, and we got an EC for it. And like I said, all fan requests (Vehicle levels, back-story comic for those that don't have ME1, and Liara relationship option in ME2, Prothean, EC, Collectors, Volus, and Omega for ME3) have been honored at this point.

Yet the endings already made sense but the small uproar was based on opinion especially when it comes down to the writing.  

silverexile17s wrote...

5. Yes, I played ST: TOR. But I forgo the subscription. I don't have the money like that to burn every month. I need to think about collage.
Point is, I know from playing those that Star Wars is just One galaxy. Like I said, put up a poll, and if you TRULLY believe that Star Wars is multiple galaxies, I think the poll results will be a surprise.

You do know that the Old Republic is mostly free to play now and there have been several updates that have expanded the universe inside the game.

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 31 octobre 2012 - 03:35 .

[Blueprotoss]

silverexile17s wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

]If thats true about Wikipedia and Wikia then there would be no need for Moderators since its constantly switched to provide negaive information hence why most people take that information with a grain of salt.  

Exactally. You have said it yourself. They have Moderators to ENSURE that information is accurate. And with the ME wiki, I compair the data with the game book. It's accurate.

You do know that there's not that many Moderators for Wikipedia and Wikia while Bioware like most companies don't get involved with Wikipedia and Wikia for a lot of reasons.

[Blueprotoss]

silverexile17s wrote...

1. Did you MISS the article in which they said they had to alter the content of Deception to match cannon? That's called a retcon. Especally since all copies of the book sold thus far had to discredeted until the revisions are complete.

Deception hasn't been rewritten and a good example of a retcon would be "Forward Unto Dawn" with the Halo series.

silverexile17s wrote...

2. He STILL did writing for it. I was saying they both have a part in it. But from what we know, much of the plot that Drew suggested regarding the possilbe dark energy plot was ignored.

It really doesn't matter if Drew, Mac, or someone else wrote it because the dark energy ending was hated more then the normal endings.  The problem is that some people have always raged about video game endings especially when it comes down to trilogies or RPGs.

silverexile17s wrote...

3. It's called "I don't want this series to die."
Or, in this case, it's called, "I don't want this series to be remembered as the one that ended with the giant screw-up." Had Drew stayed, I think the ending would have at LEAST borrowed a littel less from Deus Ex.

ME doesn't need to have Shepard and you missed the point that Shepard was only announced for the 1st trilogy of ME.  If you really want to get technical then ME3: Infiltrator already break the whole ME doesn't need Shepard thing.  Heck most of the comic books and novels for ME don't focus around Shepard.

silverexile17s wrote...

4. That's YOUR modis operandi, not mine. It's just fact. Mass Effect can be no where else but the Milky Way. Would Star Wars work if it was suddenly mixed with a Star Trek like galaxy? Could you imagine a Stargate universe that exists without Stargates?
Going to a different galaxy would be starting from scratch. NOTHING could really be linked to the first games, and as such, it really would not be part of the series if you did that.
Just as Star Wars, Star Trek, and Stargate have stayed in their respective zones, keeping to where we can relate to the other scetions of their respective lore we've seen, Mass Effect will do the same.

f you really cared about procedure this much then you would know that ME has a vast and rich universe with a lot of unanswered questions, which simialr scenarios have occured with Star Wars and Star Trek.  Btw ME hasn't left the Milky Way and even in real life we know that there is an infinite number of galaxies existing in the universe.

[silverexile17s]

Blueprotoss wrote...

silverexile17s wrote...

1. I played enough. And I watched the end with my cousin. It just... Seems less fulfilling then DA:O did. More like the whole dame game was just a build-up for the next one. At least in ME2 you feel like it was WORTH it when you take out the Collector Base.

Yet you still dont know what you want especially when DA has a seperate main character compared to the same main character that ME has since ME has Shepard while DA has a different Grey Warden.  Its okay to like ME2 over ME3 based on personal opinion but ME2 has become the fake crutch for some people to stand on against ME3 because ME2 in general is a weak game.

silverexile17s wrote...

2. I've been scorned by the Resident Evil movies before. As I was with Mortal Kombat: Armageddon. And the first Silent Hill was nowhere near as good as the game. Most GOOD adaptations came form COMICS. Video games... Not so much.

You do realize that video game movies are adaptations for a reason because they don't want to create a scene for scene movie based on a game, which this happens a lot in comic book movies and still does.  Hopefully you also have the same bias for comic book movies that you have for video game movies so you can stay consistant.

silverexile17s wrote...

3. So, do you DENY the discription of what a strawman is? And the only one who has EVER distorted fact and redirected them at others has been you. You still try to distort facts about Star Wars lore, for one, and maky YOUR opinion into fact. If EVERYONE who talks about you has the SAME general consensis about what you do, don't you think there's a REASON for that?

I haven't denied anything but I see you're still not interested on staying on topic because you have no reason to do so since you don't want your opinion to be trumpt by fact.

silverexile17s wrote...

4. First off, YOUR sentince is what's ironic, since you abute the terms "Strawman, red herring, to be fair, haters gonna hate," and "That's ironic" more times then I can count.
And second. again, you avoided the question. Have. You. Worked. With. Any. Of. Them?
If not, then don't presume to hold yourself up as some almighy Oracle. Especally since, looking at the posts, no one really takes what you've said seirously.

For irony to appear I would have to unwillinging contradict myself, which that hasn't happened t me but that has happened to you.  I wonder if you'll ever stay on topic here.

1. ME2 was more fulfilling in the end then ME3 was. If anything, it's actually considered the BEST in the series, if fan opinion is anything to go by (of course, since you think Dictionaries are subjective information sources, you wouldn't believe it if they all gathered in FRONT of you and told you directly) The fact that DA:O and DA2 had different protagonists had NO impact on this. It's tha STOTYTELLING between them that makes the statement. NONE of the characters, not just the protagonist, NONE of them, are as compelling as the ones from DA:O.
Point is, ME3 is more "High-level" (linear) a story the ME2 was. And the Suicide Mission was the RIGHT way to end a game like that, where you feel like taking the time to do everything was actually WORTH IT, in order to make sure you didn't lose anybody, or (What ME3 should have done) to make the losses as few as possible.

2. Once again, YOU of all people have no right to talk about consistancy, according to general opinion of your posts.
List:
Super Mario Brothers.
Double Dragon.
Larua Croft: Tomb Raider.(saved by high ticket sales)
Mortal Kombat: Annihilation.
Hitman (2007 film)(Mixed up plot)
Max Payne.
Silent Hill
The Resident Evil series.
Alone in the Dark (though, I admit I haven't played that game.)
In the Name of the King: A Dungeon Siege Tail
These are game-based movies that sucked, according to fan and critic alike.

3. YOU SAID THAT FACT IS SUBJECTIVE!!
You Discounted DICTIONARIES for F*** sake!!! And DON'T say Literature, becaues Dictionaries fall into that catagory too. You yourself said that BOOK facts can be edited just like you say wikis can. (how DID that edit attempt go, by the way? or did you TRY it yet?) You preach "Fact" when you ignore and discount all modern source of facts as "subjective." That would mean that YOUR facts are no better, then, CONTRARY to what you repatedly preach.
And once again, you NEVER answered the querry in the last post. DO you deny the meaning of strawman as presented? DO you think that there is a REASON everyone has the same general consensis about you.
Quit dancing around the topic and please just give a STRAIGHT answer!

4. Contridict yourself? THAT shouldn't be too hard. Saying that Literature is fact, but Dictionaries, which are the prime sorce of informative Literature, AREN'T. I'M not the one contridicting myself here. And if you look at the posts of everyone else here, they will tell you the same thing.
You STILL didn't answer me, mind you. YOU asked ME if I the athority to speak about that like I had worked had worked with them, but when I asked YOU the same, you avoided me at every turn.
HAVE you worked with Lucas, BioWare, or a Roddenberry?

[silverexile17s]

Blueprotoss wrote...

silverexile17s wrote...

1. See. "Irony" again. You JUST admited that BioWare games usually get continued when you said that they HIRED Obsidian to do it. And since EA games usually get franchised, and BioWare became a division of them, making ME and DA into series really was not a shocker. I don't hate them, and I never said anything about hating them. As I said before, you indeed embody the strawman by putting words in the mouths of others and painting your opinion as fact.

I see you don't know what irony means even when you're just complaining over anyting and EA is far from the root of all evil.  Hopefully you do realize that Bioware did work with Obsidian on KotOR2 and Neverwinter Nights 2 even when they hired Obsidian to do most of the work, which Valve and Bethesda have similar policies.  Biased hatred will always be blind.

silverexile17s wrote...

2. EXACTALLY. THAT'S ALL IN THE SAME GALAXY. you JUST said it yourself.
KotOR is BEFORE Vader's rise. 4,000 years before the Empire.
RC is actually started during Ep II on Geonosis. THEN progresses to outskirt worlds. During the Clone Wars.
TFU is on the borders of the Empire. Before the Rebellion.
THESE ARE ALL THE SAME GALAXY. Just different TIME POINTS. I KNEW all of this. This is all one galaxy, spread over multiple POINTS IN TIME.

If it was the same then the galxies in KotOR wouldn't differ from the galaxies in Republic Commando and Unleashed.

silverexile17s wrote...

3.  The ONLY difference is that the level of nessary Effective Military Strength needed for Destroy or Control changes. THAT'S IT. The Art of Mass Effect 3 also details what DIDN'T make it into the ending. Are you SURE you aren't mixing that up?

I see that you're still not interested in the facts and there's a lot more variables then that small list.  Again you still have to look at the ME3 artbook or the Art of the Mass Effect Universe.

silverexile17s wrote...

4. I know fans wanted the ending of ME3 to make sense, and we got an EC for it. And like I said, all fan requests (Vehicle levels, back-story comic for those that don't have ME1, and Liara relationship option in ME2, Prothean, EC, Collectors, Volus, and Omega for ME3) have been honored at this point.

Yet the endings already made sense but the small uproar was based on opinion especially when it comes down to the writing.  

silverexile17s wrote...

5. Yes, I played ST: TOR. But I forgo the subscription. I don't have the money like that to burn every month. I need to think about collage.
Point is, I know from playing those that Star Wars is just One galaxy. Like I said, put up a poll, and if you TRULLY believe that Star Wars is multiple galaxies, I think the poll results will be a surprise.

You do know that the Old Republic is mostly free to play now and there have been several updates that have expanded the universe inside the game.

1...Did I NOT just say that I held no hate to them? NO one hates the news that a game got franchised. WHY are you acting like it's instantly a bad thing, when I NEVER said that. I said that YOU yourself admited that BioWare tends to build game storylines that are likely to be continued. And since EA is a master at franchising, and BioWare is now a division of them, it was really no surprise that ME and DA became franchised. I never ONCE said that was a BAD thing. YOU were the one who said that, saying that there was fan uproar about the announcement that they were made into series, and saying that they get upset over everything.  But in truth, the news was no shocker. That fan responce you were talking about was positive feedback, not complaints.

2. Because KotOR is 4,000 YEARS BEFORE THE OTHER TWO!!!!! They TELL you this RIGHT on the BLOODY TITLE CRAWL!!!!!.    Remember the part that said "4,000 years before the rise of the Galactic Empire"?!?! ALOT changes in 4,000 years!!!! For BETTER OR WORSE!!!! And Republuc Commando takes place in the same time period as the Star Wars Movies. Geonosis was kind of a dead givaway. And it takes place 16-18 years before The Force Unleashed.
And if you recall, the wookiee homeworld, Kashyyyk, is in ALL of those games!!!
This IS THE SAME GALAXY!! Just different TIME POINTS!!!!

3. I DID. Those numbers CAME from those books. Those "varibles" are just ajustments in Effective Military Strength cost, depending on what happened to the Collector Base. Nothing ELSE. And that's rendered inneffective with the lowered cost of the EC, so really, you don't NEED that choice anymore. The shift in costs no longer exists. There are JUST eight ending options. 

4. The rather large fan base that outcryed the ending disproves that. Even PC Gamer said that the ending for the game "Falls flat with a resounding 'Thud." And the fact that tens of thousands protested the ending lake that discredits your claim of a "small complant." Small complants don't get endings re-worked at the cost of re-prioritzing the work secudaule. And it doesn't have the developers scared to do live interviews, or make the co-founders retire a month afterward.
If they REALLY believed that their ending was fine, BioWare would not have decided to make the EC in the first place. Only AFTER the EC was released did the endings make SENSE.

5. Yes, Yes. But that isn't the point. The point is, I've played it beofre, and I've SEEN the SINGLE on the map. That's why they call it a GALAXY map, not a UNIVERSE map.

[silverexile17s]

Blueprotoss wrote...

silverexile17s wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

]If thats true about Wikipedia and Wikia then there would be no need for Moderators since its constantly switched to provide negaive information hence why most people take that information with a grain of salt.  

Exactally. You have said it yourself. They have Moderators to ENSURE that information is accurate. And with the ME wiki, I compair the data with the game book. It's accurate.

You do know that there's not that many Moderators for Wikipedia and Wikia while Bioware like most companies don't get involved with Wikipedia and Wikia for a lot of reasons.

Yet they don't protest it's existance, do they? And how do YOU know that there are or aren't many Moderators?
Besides, like I said before, there is a check system in place that records what is cannonacal, and what isn't, and catches the non-cannon edits. Partial Automation. There doesn't NEED to be a Moderator on hand to fix a flawed edit. Try it yourself.

[silverexile17s]

Blueprotoss wrote...

silverexile17s wrote...

1. Did you MISS the article in which they said they had to alter the content of Deception to match cannon? That's called a retcon. Especally since all copies of the book sold thus far had to discredeted until the revisions are complete.

Deception hasn't been rewritten and a good example of a retcon would be "Forward Unto Dawn" with the Halo series.

silverexile17s wrote...

2. He STILL did writing for it. I was saying they both have a part in it. But from what we know, much of the plot that Drew suggested regarding the possilbe dark energy plot was ignored.

It really doesn't matter if Drew, Mac, or someone else wrote it because the dark energy ending was hated more then the normal endings.  The problem is that some people have always raged about video game endings especially when it comes down to trilogies or RPGs.

silverexile17s wrote...

3. It's called "I don't want this series to die."
Or, in this case, it's called, "I don't want this series to be remembered as the one that ended with the giant screw-up." Had Drew stayed, I think the ending would have at LEAST borrowed a littel less from Deus Ex.

ME doesn't need to have Shepard and you missed the point that Shepard was only announced for the 1st trilogy of ME.  If you really want to get technical then ME3: Infiltrator already break the whole ME doesn't need Shepard thing.  Heck most of the comic books and novels for ME don't focus around Shepard.

silverexile17s wrote...

4. That's YOUR modis operandi, not mine. It's just fact. Mass Effect can be no where else but the Milky Way. Would Star Wars work if it was suddenly mixed with a Star Trek like galaxy? Could you imagine a Stargate universe that exists without Stargates?
Going to a different galaxy would be starting from scratch. NOTHING could really be linked to the first games, and as such, it really would not be part of the series if you did that.
Just as Star Wars, Star Trek, and Stargate have stayed in their respective zones, keeping to where we can relate to the other scetions of their respective lore we've seen, Mass Effect will do the same.

f you really cared about procedure this much then you would know that ME has a vast and rich universe with a lot of unanswered questions, which simialr scenarios have occured with Star Wars and Star Trek.  Btw ME hasn't left the Milky Way and even in real life we know that there is an infinite number of galaxies existing in the universe.

1. Are you talking about the changes to the ship, or the web series?
Either way, that is still my POINT. EVERYTHING gets retconned. ME will be no different. You are the one who denyed that ME would get major retconns, when that's not the case foe ANYTHING.

2. First, Examples please?
Second, it's only easy to dislike a plot twist when you have NO idea how it would turn out. The Dark Energy plot was NEVER GIVEN a chance, I saw simalar reactions when the "Shepard is KIA" tralier with Legion came out. I'm SURE people hated THAT plot twist, until it was fleshed out. You CAN'T say they hated it when it was NEVER fully developed. If this had happened to the "Shepard is KIA" plot, you would be saying the same about that.

3.... I NEVER said anything about Shepard needing or not needing to be in the next game.
I was talking about Mac Walters and Drew Karpyshyn's writing, and how the ending would have turned out had he stayed as lead writer. I NEVER brought Shepard into this. Please stay on topic.
Now, as I said, Drew most likely was the one who built the base for the Crucible plot. And the fact that it's ment to connect to the Citadel, which Manipulates dark energy and controls the entire mass relay network, means that the plot was simalir up to where they scrapped the original ending, and made it Casey Hudson's Deus Ex knock off.
If anything, the EC was what Walters WANTED to do in the first place, but Hudson superceeded him, wanting to keep it "High-level." I admit in this case, I place the blame on Hudson for this, because had he let Walters just go with what he already had, we would have gotten something that was at LEAST more original then what we DID get.

4. But they CAN'T have it anywhere else. I doubt the Reapers went to OTHER galaxies and made Relays there. And if they DID, it would be like re-hashing the first games, almost a re-boot.
It really ISN'T all that vast and rich. Since nearly ALL the lore was built around fighting the Reapers, it really isn't all that vast, since it's just the same cycle over and over until the games. And now that the Reaper fight's done, none of the lore is really all that rich anymore, since it's all now just expanding on a diffinaitvely closed story. Every real question and answer was linked to the Reapers and the fight against them. Any other question is just micilanious at this point.
Besides, they won't leave the Milky Way galaxy, when the Codex stated there was only 1% of the galaxy explored. Even though in truth, no one really want's to explore a story whose ending is already knowen at this point.
The problem is, they only THINK that ME is vast and rich, even though it really isn't anymore, with the Reapers gone.

[Gibril]

I won't mind not playing shepard. There are plenty of chances to make another BA character like him. But don't leave him behind. If the next ME game is after ME3, have us know what happened to shep, is he alive and kicking, is he a reaper overlord, is he the genetic dna for all of us, or is he dead in a pile of rubble somewhere.
If it takes place during the trilogy, have our save files transfer over, so over time we can hear the exploits of our hero unravel. As we walk by a newstand, Emily Wong says "This just in, Alliance Commander Shepard made first human spectre" Or "The colony of feros has been saved thanks to the efforts of Human Spectre Commander Shepard." etc etc.
If it takes place before the trilogy, again let our save files transfer over, so we can hear "Mindoir attacked by Batarian slavers, one of the few survivors talks to us. 'My name is Shepard, and I'm coming for you' isn't he brave!" or other references to beginings, and then " Elysium attacked by slavers, entire force held of by soldier known as shepard, All he had to say on this was 'Told you I'd get them.' Wow, ain't he brave!"
Whatever you do, BW, don't leave one of your best heroes behind.

[Blueprotoss]

silverexile17s wrote...

1. ME2 was more fulfilling in the end then ME3 was. If anything, it's actually considered the BEST in the series, if fan opinion is anything to go by (of course, since you think Dictionaries are subjective information sources, you wouldn't believe it if they all gathered in FRONT of you and told you directly) The fact that DA:O and DA2 had different protagonists had NO impact on this. It's tha STOTYTELLING between them that makes the statement. NONE of the characters, not just the protagonist, NONE of them, are as compelling as the ones from DA:O.
Point is, ME3 is more "High-level" (linear) a story the ME2 was. And the Suicide Mission was the RIGHT way to end a game like that, where you feel like taking the time to do everything was actually WORTH IT, in order to make sure you didn't lose anybody, or (What ME3 should have done) to make the losses as few as possible.

Yet you're contradicting yourself because you're focusing on opinion.  There are people out there that prefer ME1, ME2, or ME3 as the best in the ME series which those preferences are based on opinion.  I personally have ME1 as my favorite, ME2 as my least favorite, and I'm perfectly fine with ME3.

silverexile17s wrote...

2. Once again, YOU of all people have no right to talk about consistancy, according to general opinion of your posts.
List:
Super Mario Brothers.
Double Dragon.
Larua Croft: Tomb Raider.(saved by high ticket sales)
Mortal Kombat: Annihilation.
Hitman (2007 film)(Mixed up plot)
Max Payne.
Silent Hill
The Resident Evil series.
Alone in the Dark (though, I admit I haven't played that game.)
In the Name of the King: A Dungeon Siege Tail
These are game-based movies that sucked, according to fan and critic alike.

Yet you forget that those movies are adaptation of a video game, whch is  why they're called adaptations.  I'm surprised you forgot to add Mortal Kombat, Prince of Persia, Tekken, Silent Hill: Revelation, Bloodrayne, Farcry, Wing Commander, King of Fighters, and Street Fighter.  The majority of the movies that you have named had good or great sales just like most of the comic book movies.  There will always be "bad" and "good" movies but you forget thats mainly based on opinion.

silverexile17s wrote...

3. YOU SAID THAT FACT IS SUBJECTIVE!!
You Discounted DICTIONARIES for F*** sake!!! And DON'T say Literature, becaues Dictionaries fall into that catagory too. You yourself said that BOOK facts can be edited just like you say wikis can. (how DID that edit attempt go, by the way? or did you TRY it yet?) You preach "Fact" when you ignore and discount all modern source of facts as "subjective." That would mean that YOUR facts are no better, then, CONTRARY to what you repatedly preach.
And once again, you NEVER answered the querry in the last post. DO you deny the meaning of strawman as presented? DO you think that there is a REASON everyone has the same general consensis about you.
Quit dancing around the topic and please just give a STRAIGHT answer!

Ignorance must be blissful for you because fact is fact and opinion is opinion.  I'm pretty sure that the word isn't flat.

silverexile17s wrote...

4. Contridict yourself? THAT shouldn't be too hard. Saying that Literature is fact, but Dictionaries, which are the prime sorce of informative Literature, AREN'T. I'M not the one contridicting myself here. And if you look at the posts of everyone else here, they will tell you the same thing.
You STILL didn't answer me, mind you. YOU asked ME if I the athority to speak about that like I had worked had worked with them, but when I asked YOU the same, you avoided me at every turn.
HAVE you worked with Lucas, BioWare, or a Roddenberry?

I love how you're using a strawman to try to contradict me while I have never said that I have worked with Lucas, Bioware, or a Roddenberry.  I'm pretty sure you haven't, which was the original point of that.

[Massa FX]

I hope the bumpkins give the arguments a rest and have a happy Halloween. Eat some candy and relax.

[Blueprotoss]

silverexile17s wrote...

1...Did I NOT just say that I held no hate to them? NO one hates the news that a game got franchised. WHY are you acting like it's instantly a bad thing, when I NEVER said that. I said that YOU yourself admited that BioWare tends to build game storylines that are likely to be continued. And since EA is a master at franchising, and BioWare is now a division of them, it was really no surprise that ME and DA became franchised. I never ONCE said that was a BAD thing. YOU were the one who said that, saying that there was fan uproar about the announcement that they were made into series, and saying that they get upset over everything.  But in truth, the news was no shocker. That fan responce you were talking about was positive feedback, not complaints.

If you held no hate then you clearly wouldn't harbor any anger, which is far from the truth.

silverexile17s wrote...

2. Because KotOR is 4,000 YEARS BEFORE THE OTHER TWO!!!!! They TELL you this RIGHT on the BLOODY TITLE CRAWL!!!!!.    Remember the part that said "4,000 years before the rise of the Galactic Empire"?!?! ALOT changes in 4,000 years!!!! For BETTER OR WORSE!!!! And Republuc Commando takes place in the same time period as the Star Wars Movies. Geonosis was kind of a dead givaway. And it takes place 16-18 years before The Force Unleashed.
And if you recall, the wookiee homeworld, Kashyyyk, is in ALL of those games!!!
This IS THE SAME GALAXY!! Just different TIME POINTS!!!!

Yet you finally admit that I'm right while you deny the rest.

silverexile17s wrote...

3. I DID. Those numbers CAME from those books. Those "varibles" are just ajustments in Effective Military Strength cost, depending on what happened to the Collector Base. Nothing ELSE. And that's rendered inneffective with the lowered cost of the EC, so really, you don't NEED that choice anymore. The shift in costs no longer exists. There are JUST eight ending options.

Yet those neither came from the ME3 artbook nor the Art from the Mass Effect Universe.

silverexile17s wrote...

4. The rather large fan base that outcryed the ending disproves that. Even PC Gamer said that the ending for the game "Falls flat with a resounding 'Thud." And the fact that tens of thousands protested the ending lake that discredits your claim of a "small complant." Small complants don't get endings re-worked at the cost of re-prioritzing the work secudaule. And it doesn't have the developers scared to do live interviews, or make the co-founders retire a month afterward.
If they REALLY believed that their ending was fine, BioWare would not have decided to make the EC in the first place. Only AFTER the EC was released did the endings make SENSE.

You do know that about 80,000 "fans" don't speak for 3 milion people.  The 80,000 comes from the majority of the "fans" which was RetakeME3 at the height of the "movement".

silverexile17s wrote...

5. Yes, Yes. But that isn't the point. The point is, I've played it beofre, and I've SEEN the SINGLE on the map. That's why they call it a GALAXY map, not a UNIVERSE map.

The point is that Star Wars isn't contained to one galaxy just like how Star Trek and Starcraft, which means that ME doesn't need to be only in the Milky Way.

[Blueprotoss]

silverexile17s wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

silverexile17s wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

]If thats true about Wikipedia and Wikia then there would be no need for Moderators since its constantly switched to provide negaive information hence why most people take that information with a grain of salt.  

Exactally. You have said it yourself. They have Moderators to ENSURE that information is accurate. And with the ME wiki, I compair the data with the game book. It's accurate.

You do know that there's not that many Moderators for Wikipedia and Wikia while Bioware like most companies don't get involved with Wikipedia and Wikia for a lot of reasons.

Yet they don't protest it's existance, do they? And how do YOU know that there are or aren't many Moderators?
Besides, like I said before, there is a check system in place that records what is cannonacal, and what isn't, and catches the non-cannon edits. Partial Automation. There doesn't NEED to be a Moderator on hand to fix a flawed edit. Try it yourself.

It sounds like you're arguing just to argue because Wikipedia really isn't an issue when opinion is in play.

[Blueprotoss]

silverexile17s wrote...

1. Are you talking about the changes to the ship, or the web series?
Either way, that is still my POINT. EVERYTHING gets retconned. ME will be no different. You are the one who denyed that ME would get major retconns, when that's not the case foe ANYTHING.

I'm pretty sure you haven't watched "Forward Unto Dawn" since it happens before Halo :CE.  Everything doesn't get retconned and a great example of that is Fallout.

silverexile17s wrote...

2. First, Examples please?
Second, it's only easy to dislike a plot twist when you have NO idea how it would turn out. The Dark Energy plot was NEVER GIVEN a chance, I saw simalar reactions when the "Shepard is KIA" tralier with Legion came out. I'm SURE people hated THAT plot twist, until it was fleshed out. You CAN'T say they hated it when it was NEVER fully developed. If this had happened to the "Shepard is KIA" plot, you would be saying the same about that.

How can I give examples when Mac and Drew haven't commented on who wrote who in ME3, while that question itself is a strawman.  Its odd that you say the dark energy plot was "never given a chance" while you aren't giving a chance to the ME3 endings as a whole.

silverexile17s wrote...

3.... I NEVER said anything about Shepard needing or not needing to be in the next game.
I was talking about Mac Walters and Drew Karpyshyn's writing, and how the ending would have turned out had he stayed as lead writer. I NEVER brought Shepard into this. Please stay on topic.
Now, as I said, Drew most likely was the one who built the base for the Crucible plot. And the fact that it's ment to connect to the Citadel, which Manipulates dark energy and controls the entire mass relay network, means that the plot was simalir up to where they scrapped the original ending, and made it Casey Hudson's Deus Ex knock off.
If anything, the EC was what Walters WANTED to do in the first place, but Hudson superceeded him, wanting to keep it "High-level." I admit in this case, I place the blame on Hudson for this, because had he let Walters just go with what he already had, we would have gotten something that was at LEAST more original then what we DID get

Hindsight is 20/20 because you can only guess what wold have happened if Drew stayed for the entirity of ME3.

silverexile17s wrote...

4. But they CAN'T have it anywhere else. I doubt the Reapers went to OTHER galaxies and made Relays there. And if they DID, it would be like re-hashing the first games, almost a re-boot.
It really ISN'T all that vast and rich. Since nearly ALL the lore was built around fighting the Reapers, it really isn't all that vast, since it's just the same cycle over and over until the games. And now that the Reaper fight's done, none of the lore is really all that rich anymore, since it's all now just expanding on a diffinaitvely closed story. Every real question and answer was linked to the Reapers and the fight against them. Any other question is just micilanious at this point.

How is that a rehash when the Reapers are still mostly shrouded in mysterious and nothing has been shown outside of the Milky Way galaxy.

silverexile17s wrote...

Besides, they won't leave the Milky Way galaxy, when the Codex stated there was only 1% of the galaxy explored. Even though in truth, no one really want's to explore a story whose ending is already knowen at this point.
The problem is, they only THINK that ME is vast and rich, even though it really isn't anymore, with the Reapers gone.

Yet you assume this and thats a bad assumption.

[silverexile17s]

Blueprotoss wrote...

silverexile17s wrote...

1. ME2 was more fulfilling in the end then ME3 was. If anything, it's actually considered the BEST in the series, if fan opinion is anything to go by (of course, since you think Dictionaries are subjective information sources, you wouldn't believe it if they all gathered in FRONT of you and told you directly) The fact that DA:O and DA2 had different protagonists had NO impact on this. It's tha STOTYTELLING between them that makes the statement. NONE of the characters, not just the protagonist, NONE of them, are as compelling as the ones from DA:O.
Point is, ME3 is more "High-level" (linear) a story the ME2 was. And the Suicide Mission was the RIGHT way to end a game like that, where you feel like taking the time to do everything was actually WORTH IT, in order to make sure you didn't lose anybody, or (What ME3 should have done) to make the losses as few as possible.

Yet you're contradicting yourself because you're focusing on opinion.  There are people out there that prefer ME1, ME2, or ME3 as the best in the ME series which those preferences are based on opinion.  I personally have ME1 as my favorite, ME2 as my least favorite, and I'm perfectly fine with ME3.

silverexile17s wrote...

2. Once again, YOU of all people have no right to talk about consistancy, according to general opinion of your posts.
List:
Super Mario Brothers.
Double Dragon.
Larua Croft: Tomb Raider.(saved by high ticket sales)
Mortal Kombat: Annihilation.
Hitman (2007 film)(Mixed up plot)
Max Payne.
Silent Hill
The Resident Evil series.
Alone in the Dark (though, I admit I haven't played that game.)
In the Name of the King: A Dungeon Siege Tail
These are game-based movies that sucked, according to fan and critic alike.

Yet you forget that those movies are adaptation of a video game, whch is  why they're called adaptations.  I'm surprised you forgot to add Mortal Kombat, Prince of Persia, Tekken, Silent Hill: Revelation, Bloodrayne, Farcry, Wing Commander, King of Fighters, and Street Fighter.  The majority of the movies that you have named had good or great sales just like most of the comic book movies.  There will always be "bad" and "good" movies but you forget thats mainly based on opinion.

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3. YOU SAID THAT FACT IS SUBJECTIVE!!
You Discounted DICTIONARIES for F*** sake!!! And DON'T say Literature, becaues Dictionaries fall into that catagory too. You yourself said that BOOK facts can be edited just like you say wikis can. (how DID that edit attempt go, by the way? or did you TRY it yet?) You preach "Fact" when you ignore and discount all modern source of facts as "subjective." That would mean that YOUR facts are no better, then, CONTRARY to what you repatedly preach.
And once again, you NEVER answered the querry in the last post. DO you deny the meaning of strawman as presented? DO you think that there is a REASON everyone has the same general consensis about you.
Quit dancing around the topic and please just give a STRAIGHT answer!

Ignorance must be blissful for you because fact is fact and opinion is opinion.  I'm pretty sure that the word isn't flat.

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4. Contridict yourself? THAT shouldn't be too hard. Saying that Literature is fact, but Dictionaries, which are the prime sorce of informative Literature, AREN'T. I'M not the one contridicting myself here. And if you look at the posts of everyone else here, they will tell you the same thing.
You STILL didn't answer me, mind you. YOU asked ME if I the athority to speak about that like I had worked had worked with them, but when I asked YOU the same, you avoided me at every turn.
HAVE you worked with Lucas, BioWare, or a Roddenberry?

I love how you're using a strawman to try to contradict me while I have never said that I have worked with Lucas, Bioware, or a Roddenberry.  I'm pretty sure you haven't, which was the original point of that.

1.No, I'm not. According to the polls taken, it is FACT that more people considered ME2 more fulfilling then ME3.

2. Not according to the critics and fans. That standpoint you used is again, a strawman:bandit:
The fans and critics all agree that ALL those movies, including the ones you listed, were horrible representations of their respective games.

3. Well, congradulations. You know the world isn't flat. (scarcasm) Serously, you mirrror what YOU do. EVERYONE says that of you. There IS a reason for it.
You STILL didn'd give a straight answer. POST IT.

4. You and I both know I haven't, but when I ask YOU if you know any more what they would do, you never directly responded, dancing around the issue like a damn scarecrow. AGAIN I ask, what exactally makes you more qualified on this then everyone else?
DID. YOU. WORK. WITH. ANY. OF. THEM???

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Blueprotoss wrote...

silverexile17s wrote...

1...Did I NOT just say that I held no hate to them? NO one hates the news that a game got franchised. WHY are you acting like it's instantly a bad thing, when I NEVER said that. I said that YOU yourself admited that BioWare tends to build game storylines that are likely to be continued. And since EA is a master at franchising, and BioWare is now a division of them, it was really no surprise that ME and DA became franchised. I never ONCE said that was a BAD thing. YOU were the one who said that, saying that there was fan uproar about the announcement that they were made into series, and saying that they get upset over everything.  But in truth, the news was no shocker. That fan responce you were talking about was positive feedback, not complaints.

If you held no hate then you clearly wouldn't harbor any anger, which is far from the truth.

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2. Because KotOR is 4,000 YEARS BEFORE THE OTHER TWO!!!!! They TELL you this RIGHT on the BLOODY TITLE CRAWL!!!!!.    Remember the part that said "4,000 years before the rise of the Galactic Empire"?!?! ALOT changes in 4,000 years!!!! For BETTER OR WORSE!!!! And Republuc Commando takes place in the same time period as the Star Wars Movies. Geonosis was kind of a dead givaway. And it takes place 16-18 years before The Force Unleashed.
And if you recall, the wookiee homeworld, Kashyyyk, is in ALL of those games!!!
This IS THE SAME GALAXY!! Just different TIME POINTS!!!!

Yet you finally admit that I'm right while you deny the rest.

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3. I DID. Those numbers CAME from those books. Those "varibles" are just ajustments in Effective Military Strength cost, depending on what happened to the Collector Base. Nothing ELSE. And that's rendered inneffective with the lowered cost of the EC, so really, you don't NEED that choice anymore. The shift in costs no longer exists. There are JUST eight ending options.

Yet those neither came from the ME3 artbook nor the Art from the Mass Effect Universe.

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4. The rather large fan base that outcryed the ending disproves that. Even PC Gamer said that the ending for the game "Falls flat with a resounding 'Thud." And the fact that tens of thousands protested the ending lake that discredits your claim of a "small complant." Small complants don't get endings re-worked at the cost of re-prioritzing the work secudaule. And it doesn't have the developers scared to do live interviews, or make the co-founders retire a month afterward.
If they REALLY believed that their ending was fine, BioWare would not have decided to make the EC in the first place. Only AFTER the EC was released did the endings make SENSE.

You do know that about 80,000 "fans" don't speak for 3 milion people.  The 80,000 comes from the majority of the "fans" which was RetakeME3 at the height of the "movement".

silverexile17s wrote...

5. Yes, Yes. But that isn't the point. The point is, I've played it beofre, and I've SEEN the SINGLE on the map. That's why they call it a GALAXY map, not a UNIVERSE map.

The point is that Star Wars isn't contained to one galaxy just like how Star Trek and Starcraft, which means that ME doesn't need to be only in the Milky Way.

1. I DON'T harbor any anger. Just dissapointment. ANY anger you pick up is just everyones natural responce to how you typaclly treat them.

2. ...WHAT????
YOU said that star wars was MULTIPLE GALAXIES. What I just said proves that it's NOT. It;s SEPERATE TIME PERIODS. NOT STEPERATE GALAXIES. How the HELL can you say that, when EVERYONE SAW THE POSTS?!?! You CAN'T be this petty!!

3. LOOK at the game book. It's printed in Black and Friggin White.

4. Yet, it seems very few of those people ever FINISHED the game, according to numbers taken straight from BioWare.

5. STAR WARS IS ONE GALAXY. STAR TREK IS THE MILXY WAY ONLY.
STARCRAFT IS A SEGMENT OF THE DAMN MILKY WAY GALAXY.
Just like THEY don't expand into several galaxies, ME won't either.

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Blueprotoss wrote...

silverexile17s wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

silverexile17s wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

]If thats true about Wikipedia and Wikia then there would be no need for Moderators since its constantly switched to provide negaive information hence why most people take that information with a grain of salt.  

Exactally. You have said it yourself. They have Moderators to ENSURE that information is accurate. And with the ME wiki, I compair the data with the game book. It's accurate.

You do know that there's not that many Moderators for Wikipedia and Wikia while Bioware like most companies don't get involved with Wikipedia and Wikia for a lot of reasons.

Yet they don't protest it's existance, do they? And how do YOU know that there are or aren't many Moderators?
Besides, like I said before, there is a check system in place that records what is cannonacal, and what isn't, and catches the non-cannon edits. Partial Automation. There doesn't NEED to be a Moderator on hand to fix a flawed edit. Try it yourself.

It sounds like you're arguing just to argue because Wikipedia really isn't an issue when opinion is in play.

YOUR opinion was that it was easaly edited to show flawed info, when I told you that's not the case. Try it yourself. It can't be edited to show false info that easaly.