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[Ithurael]

Kalo Windu wrote...

Chief Commander wrote...

Bioware need to pull a Halo 4. That alone should show them that you can´t just leave the fate of such a popular hero in the balance. Halo without Chief is the same as Mass Effect without Shepard.

This. One hundred million times this.

For a sequel I may agree - though RPGs are different than FPS. Halo doesn't allow you to make major lore choices that lead to branching storyline.

Why does everyone instantly assume that the next ME game will be a sequel?

[AgentStark]

Honestly, most people like to assume a sequel so they have hope for the future of Mass Effect.

What they don't realize is that the opportunities for a really good prequel are also high. Something about Anderson's experience with Saren for instance. They could implement choices for a better storyline, but in the end run, Saren will still get the better of him.

[clarkusdarkus]

Ithurael wrote...

Kalo Windu wrote...

Chief Commander wrote...

Bioware need to pull a Halo 4. That alone should show them that you can´t just leave the fate of such a popular hero in the balance. Halo without Chief is the same as Mass Effect without Shepard.

This. One hundred million times this.

For a sequel I may agree - though RPGs are different than FPS. Halo doesn't allow you to make major lore choices that lead to branching storyline.

Why does everyone instantly assume that the next ME game will be a sequel?

Well prequels are done to death and since we know how ME3 ends it kinda will have that over any prequel as we'll know how it eventually ends, so it would have to be a sequel or a complete new Adventure of which is risky because like Master Chief.....fans/people get attatched to certain characters and just want to play that hero in that series.....Halo4 was amazing and sets it up for the Halo5/6.....so that will be 6 games with the chief.....it works and fans are happy about it hence why theres such uproar regarding what they did with shepard........

[Fedi.St]

if they wanted shepard absolutely gone from the picture they should/would provided a proper closure. Or maybe a closure is coming . we'll seee.

but frostbite? a me game with frostbite graphics? A MOVIE WHICH YOU ARE THE PROTAGONIST

[uzivatel]

Fedi.St wrote...

if they wanted shepard absolutely gone from the picture they should/would provided a proper closure. Or maybe a closure is coming . we'll seee.

How is being vaporized not a closure?

[Kalo Windu]

uzivatel wrote...

Fedi.St wrote...

if they wanted shepard absolutely gone from the picture they should/would provided a proper closure. Or maybe a closure is coming . we'll seee.

How is being vaporized not a closure?

How is dying in the suicide mission not a closure? And then ME3 happens.

Destroy/High EMS is all I need 

[Fedi.St]

even by not changing the endings and the 3 choices they easily can expand the explanations the universe and the final moments of me3 through additional dlc. I think they will do that.

Proper closure doesn't mean shepard alive. It means to make it have weight to make it something truly important and epic as the me3 deserves.

[silverexile17s]

clarkusdarkus wrote...

Ithurael wrote...

Kalo Windu wrote...

Chief Commander wrote...

Bioware need to pull a Halo 4. That alone should show them that you can´t just leave the fate of such a popular hero in the balance. Halo without Chief is the same as Mass Effect without Shepard.

This. One hundred million times this.

For a sequel I may agree - though RPGs are different than FPS. Halo doesn't allow you to make major lore choices that lead to branching storyline.

Why does everyone instantly assume that the next ME game will be a sequel?

Well prequels are done to death and since we know how ME3 ends it kinda will have that over any prequel as we'll know how it eventually ends, so it would have to be a sequel or a complete new Adventure of which is risky because like Master Chief.....fans/people get attatched to certain characters and just want to play that hero in that series.....Halo4 was amazing and sets it up for the Halo5/6.....so that will be 6 games with the chief.....it works and fans are happy about it hence why theres such uproar regarding what they did with shepard........

Still, it feels like the more you build a character up, the more likely the end of their story will be a bittersweet self-sacrifice. It seems to be a fad with game trilogies. I fear for what will happen to the Chief in Halo 6. As well as poor Issac Clarke in Dead Space 3.

Modifié par silverexile17s, 14 novembre 2012 - 08:48 .

[Ithurael]

silverexile17s wrote...

Still, it feels like the more you build a character up, the more likely the end of their story will be a bittersweet self-sacrifice. It seems to be a fad with game trilogies. I fear for what will happen to the Chief in Halo 6. As well as poor Issac Clarke in Dead Space 3.

We already lost Cortana...:crying:

[Dr_Extrem]

Ithurael wrote...

silverexile17s wrote...

Still, it feels like the more you build a character up, the more likely the end of their story will be a bittersweet self-sacrifice. It seems to be a fad with game trilogies. I fear for what will happen to the Chief in Halo 6. As well as poor Issac Clarke in Dead Space 3.

We already lost Cortana...:crying:

- cortana
- shepard

whos next on the list? ...

club 27 of gaming history is forming up.


sacrificing the protagonist is basicly ok - but the way mass effect 3 did it, was absolutely disappointing.

[Sinekein]

I'd love to keep playing Mass Effect. But I don't want some stupid prequel with a foregone conclusion, like "First Contact War". Mass Effect is about the diversity of races (including humans), not about humanity vs aliens. You have a truckload of shooters where you get to kill aliens to save humanity.

Plus, if you want to create something after ME3, you kinda HAVE to pick Destroy. Because you can't really write a story in the big love galaxy of Synthesis, and it's pretty hard to create a decent threat if Shepard Controls the Reapers.

I'd love to see some homage to Shepard, like SWTOR did with Revan. Maybe with the possibility to use a ME3 save to make some minor plot points "canon" in this ME4. If you romanced Liara - then why not meeting her asari kids, or grandkids ? If you romanced Tali - visit their house on Rannoch ?

Something small, just to make us believe that this whole trilogy had a real meaning.

[LegendaryBlade]

I would like to see it not be a prequel.

I would take -a lot- for me to buy ME4, but that would be a good start to winning me on it. I think it's the right move to have the lead character not be Shepard or related to him in any manner as well. A sequel with a whole new cast would be the best option.

[silverexile17s]

LegendaryBlade wrote...

I would like to see it not be a prequel.

I would take -a lot- for me to buy ME4, but that would be a good start to winning me on it. I think it's the right move to have the lead character not be Shepard or related to him in any manner as well. A sequel with a whole new cast would be the best option.

That's the only way they can go now. The question is, if it ends up being a sequel, HOW do you make it "Mass Effect," when the former core pieces of the mythos - Shepard, and the Reapers -  are no longer avalible?
They were the central components of the lore. The entire series, from the games to the comics, was basically built around the Reapers, Shepard fighting to stop them, and the ripples caused by both their actions.
If the next game removes both these things, what can they do to keep it "Mass Effect"?

[LegendaryBlade]

silverexile17s wrote...

LegendaryBlade wrote...

I would like to see it not be a prequel.

I would take -a lot- for me to buy ME4, but that would be a good start to winning me on it. I think it's the right move to have the lead character not be Shepard or related to him in any manner as well. A sequel with a whole new cast would be the best option.

That's the only way they can go now. The question is, if it ends up being a sequel, HOW do you make it "Mass Effect," when the former core pieces of the mythos - Shepard, and the Reapers -  are no longer avalible?
They were the central components of the lore. The entire series, from the games to the comics, was basically built around the Reapers, Shepard fighting to stop them, and the ripples caused by both their actions.
If the next game removes both these things, what can they do to keep it "Mass Effect"?

It's just a matter of finding a new story to tell. Personally, i'd love for the experience of being part of the crew of a bigger ship; maybe start out as a Dreadnaught crew during the battle for Earth. Give us a closing view of ME3 and a last chance to pop shots at the reaper before cutting years later. Let us see the effects the war against the reapers had and it's toll on the galaxy.

Perhaps not be a member of the Alliance Navy at all. A smuggler or freighter crew, something indepedent that gets pulled in to something much larger than themselves. There's no need to try to 'outdo' the threat of the original trilogy in scale so much as you need to meet or exceed it in terms of story quality. Trying to outdo something that threatened the fate of the entire galaxy will just result in failure and awkward storytelling anyway.

[djspectre]

I agree, I don't want Shepard in the next game.

I just don't get this Shepard-love-fest-dependence trend people have. Shepard was a great hero, true, but he isn't the entire ME universe.

Personally, after playing through 6 mass effect games (3 with male, and 3 with female), I've gotten my fill of Shepard. I don't hate him, I just want someone else with a different personality to be the protagonist.

I'm actually glad that the devs, writers, forum mods and everyone else at BioWare has so adamantly and repeatedly and definitively said that Shepard will not come back.

Don't be afraid to try something fresh and new people!

[Jere85]

People are clinging to Shepard as they don't feel like they could have properly walked away from him, i mean its been 8 months and people still complain.
I for one had no problems with the Warden being done in DA:O, and many people will agree since it was properly ended with even the expansion of Awakening to play one more time with the warden.

I understand me3 was 3 games of Shepard, still, the endings can do alot to a game

[LeandroBraz]

JohnShepard12 wrote...

AndreasShepard wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

Toolbox 24 wrote...

Thought they already said the ME3 was the end of Shepard's story arc?

Yes. Repeatedly. Casey said it. Miek Gamble & Mac Walters have said it. Jessica and I have said it.

Commander Shepard's adventures took place in ME1-ME3 (and DLCs). We are working on another ME game, but it is not a Commander Shepard game.

We have no other details as to what the new ME game will be, who what where when, etc it will be. It will likely be over a year before we start talking about what the new game will be, but you're welcome to contribute what you would like to see in it until then.

quote from Casey Hudson:

“And we’ll keep listening, because your insights and constructive
feedback will help determine what that content should be. This is not
the last you’ll hear of Commander Shepard.”

This quote seems contradictory now, unless he was only referring to pre-ending ME3 DLC, which would be LAME.

Bioware representatives have contradicted themselves constantly since hooking up with EA. Step by step, they seem to be losing touch.

God, why?

 Do you guys ever heard about DLC? You know, like the one we will get in November 27? This is what they mean when they said "this is not the last you'll hear of Commander Shepard". There's no contradiction here. We still getting some Shepard stuffs (DLC), but he won't be in the next game, his story end with ME3.

 It's that hard to understand that?

[silverexile17s]

djspectre wrote...

I agree, I don't want Shepard in the next game.

I just don't get this Shepard-love-fest-dependence trend people have. Shepard was a great hero, true, but he isn't the entire ME universe.

Personally, after playing through 6 mass effect games (3 with male, and 3 with female), I've gotten my fill of Shepard. I don't hate him, I just want someone else with a different personality to be the protagonist.

I'm actually glad that the devs, writers, forum mods and everyone else at BioWare has so adamantly and repeatedly and definitively said that Shepard will not come back.

Don't be afraid to try something fresh and new people!

But do you think that ANY new ME game, Shepard or no Shepard, will BE any good?
If it's a prequel, it will most likely have the Reapers lurking in the core of its's game lore, and there will most likely not be much intrest to continue in a timeline that is already over, if that is the case. Same with a paralel spin-off.
And any sequal will probably end up like Deus Ex: Invisible War, in which one, or parts of all of, the endings will be cannonized, making the end choices that BioWare refused to change meaningless after all, and making them look like hypocrites for defending it with "Artistic Integrity."
It won't MATTER if the character is "Fresh and new," if it can't escape the shadow cast over both their predicessor, and the series in general. And "Fresh and new" characters are getting harder to come by, I remind you. The most recent (in my opinion) that at least comes close to this new template would be Corvo Attano, the protagonist of Bethesda's new game Dishonored.
I'm sorry, but "Fresh and new" will most likely crash and burn, if someone doesn't do SOMETHING insanely clever.

Modifié par silverexile17s, 15 novembre 2012 - 08:51 .

[silverexile17s]

LeandroBraz wrote...

JohnShepard12 wrote...

AndreasShepard wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

Toolbox 24 wrote...

Thought they already said the ME3 was the end of Shepard's story arc?

Yes. Repeatedly. Casey said it. Miek Gamble & Mac Walters have said it. Jessica and I have said it.

Commander Shepard's adventures took place in ME1-ME3 (and DLCs). We are working on another ME game, but it is not a Commander Shepard game.

We have no other details as to what the new ME game will be, who what where when, etc it will be. It will likely be over a year before we start talking about what the new game will be, but you're welcome to contribute what you would like to see in it until then.

quote from Casey Hudson:

“And we’ll keep listening, because your insights and constructive
feedback will help determine what that content should be. This is not
the last you’ll hear of Commander Shepard.”

This quote seems contradictory now, unless he was only referring to pre-ending ME3 DLC, which would be LAME.

Bioware representatives have contradicted themselves constantly since hooking up with EA. Step by step, they seem to be losing touch.

God, why?

 Do you guys ever heard about DLC? You know, like the one we will get in November 27? This is what they mean when they said "this is not the last you'll hear of Commander Shepard". There's no contradiction here. We still getting some Shepard stuffs (DLC), but he won't be in the next game, his story end with ME3.

 It's that hard to understand that?

They didn't announce Shepard not being in the next game until a little after the next game's announcememt.

[Nykara]

Kalo Windu wrote...

Chief Commander wrote...

Bioware need to pull a Halo 4. That alone should show them that you can´t just leave the fate of such a popular hero in the balance. Halo without Chief is the same as Mass Effect without Shepard.

This. One hundred million times this.

Yep, this all over TYVM!

[Aarkaan]

I don't want to see another prequel, already know how it ends, lets move forward...

[Ithurael]

Jere85 wrote...

People are clinging to Shepard as they don't feel like they could have properly walked away from him, i mean its been 8 months and people still complain.
I for one had no problems with the Warden being done in DA:O, and many people will agree since it was properly ended with even the expansion of Awakening to play one more time with the warden.

I understand me3 was 3 games of Shepard, still, the endings can do alot to a game

While I share your sentiment on the warden I may say this.

Dragon Age: Origins was only one game.

You played as Shepard for 3 games.

My guess is that most people became more attached to Shep than they did the Warden.

[LeandroBraz]

silverexile17s wrote...

LeandroBraz wrote...

JohnShepard12 wrote...

AndreasShepard wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

Toolbox 24 wrote...

Thought they already said the ME3 was the end of Shepard's story arc?

Yes. Repeatedly. Casey said it. Miek Gamble & Mac Walters have said it. Jessica and I have said it.

Commander Shepard's adventures took place in ME1-ME3 (and DLCs). We are working on another ME game, but it is not a Commander Shepard game.

We have no other details as to what the new ME game will be, who what where when, etc it will be. It will likely be over a year before we start talking about what the new game will be, but you're welcome to contribute what you would like to see in it until then.

quote from Casey Hudson:

“And we’ll keep listening, because your insights and constructive
feedback will help determine what that content should be. This is not
the last you’ll hear of Commander Shepard.”

This quote seems contradictory now, unless he was only referring to pre-ending ME3 DLC, which would be LAME.

Bioware representatives have contradicted themselves constantly since hooking up with EA. Step by step, they seem to be losing touch.

God, why?

 Do you guys ever heard about DLC? You know, like the one we will get in November 27? This is what they mean when they said "this is not the last you'll hear of Commander Shepard". There's no contradiction here. We still getting some Shepard stuffs (DLC), but he won't be in the next game, his story end with ME3.

 It's that hard to understand that?

They didn't announce Shepard not being in the next game until a little after the next game's announcememt.

Weird, I remember it was pretty clear that the trilogy was the end of Shepard's story long before ME3 was released.