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[MegaSovereign]

AxStapleton wrote...

I don't really see what they can do if they don't have a Shepard-esque (customisable RPG) character. No to an FPS. No FPS can meaningfully hope to even compete with CoD or Halo other than possibly Battlefield. After TOR cost them a lot of money, only managing to bring them modest returns, I'm not sure BioWare would risk an MMO in the foreseeable future. I honestly don't have a clue what they could do at this point. Story-wise, they are going to have to sacrifice "your decisions matter" even more than they have already just to have a sequel that makes a spit of sense but if they do a prequel or a story running alongside the current trilogy, the decisions made would have to be so minor that you might as well lose the RPG aspect.

They could be making the new protagonist more customizable.

For example maybe now we can choose to customize our character's VA....

[spirosz]

GimmeDaGun wrote...

Bester76 wrote...

Good luck to them.

My ME journey ends with Shepard though, so if that's it, thanks and I'll be saving my $$$s.

Why don't you just follow the wait and see and being open minded policy? It might be a good game and you might love it. Who knows? 

I was open minded with ME3 and DA II, SWTOR, want me to go on? Neither are bad games, I did enjoy all 3, but not what I expected, lol.  

[Yobel]

Chief Commander wrote...

“There is one thing we are absolutely sure of – there will be no more Shepard, and the trilogy is over.”

Thank God for that. It was exeptional journey, but it's over now. What now... hmmm... I would like First Concact War. Could be a little boring, humans and Turians only but I believe in you BioWare. It's like Mass Effect ODST, not Mass Effect 4.

[Invisibilly]

If they are really not doing another Shepard game I wish they would reconsider making some kind of post-destroy dlc. You cant just end it on a cliff hanger like that.

[AxStapleton]

MegaSovereign wrote...

AxStapleton wrote...

I don't really see what they can do if they don't have a Shepard-esque (customisable RPG) character. No to an FPS. No FPS can meaningfully hope to even compete with CoD or Halo other than possibly Battlefield. After TOR cost them a lot of money, only managing to bring them modest returns, I'm not sure BioWare would risk an MMO in the foreseeable future. I honestly don't have a clue what they could do at this point. Story-wise, they are going to have to sacrifice "your decisions matter" even more than they have already just to have a sequel that makes a spit of sense but if they do a prequel or a story running alongside the current trilogy, the decisions made would have to be so minor that you might as well lose the RPG aspect.

They could be making the new protagonist more customizable.

For example maybe now we can choose to customize our character's VA....

Maybe. That would be cool.

But they are going to have to address a lot of other things as well.

Don't get me wrong, I want the next game (& story) to be great, I just don't see how they are going to do it.

[LazyTechGuy]

I am okay with the idea that Shepard's story is over. The only problem is I can't accept how Shepard's story ended with a big "The End?". They didn't close it up or resolve his character for me. So to just move on and tell me that I should start anew with a new story and character just feels like they deserted what I still had hope for. I respect those who got a different impression on the ending than I did. I have no problem with that.

However, I don't like the idea that BioWare seems to be hitting the reset button on us with a different character, a different story and a different context. Almost to say that they can't build anything out of the ruins of the ME3 ending, so they have to start fresh with the only similarity being it's in the same universe.

I just feel it's an abandonment on my hope and emotional investment knowing that ME 1 through 3 will be as is. The hard truth is I think we need to just accept that they've moved on from this story and we need to start doing that as well.

[AxStapleton]

YobelX wrote...

Chief Commander wrote...

“There is one thing we are absolutely sure of – there will be no more Shepard, and the trilogy is over.”

Thank God for that. It was exeptional journey, but it's over now. What now... hmmm... I would like First Concact War. Could be a little boring, humans and Turians only but I believe in you BioWare. It's like Mass Effect ODST, not Mass Effect 4.

So just another shooter then?

[3DandBeyond]

Kia Purity wrote...

nope.avi

Seriously though, I don't think they can pull off ME4 very well because there's two problems.

1) Everyone pretty much knows what happened before ME1. No investment there considering ME3's "ending".

2) A sequel might work but it would require them to canonize one of the endings. Bioware seems to favor Synthesis and considering how I reacted badly to synthesis. This gets a LOUD nope from me.
(The way they did it rubs me the wrong way and you can't alter DNA code just like that in a snap, it has to be done gradually with virus and bacteria. NOT SPACE MAGIC! No, just no, Bioware. The Violinist's Thumb book actually explains how DNA works and it helped me understand better about why Space Magic induced Synthesis is IMPOSSIBLE.)

They actually can't win either way. Especially considering the fanbase is still mostly bitter towards ME3 for turning out the way it did. (However, there are some people that are okay now but still, this does not factor in those who have remained silent and moved on from ME3.)

Exactly right.  Polls on this site indicate just how disliked synthesis is (it's just not logical as stated and it's so like someone read a little bit about the idea and used that one scene from a Transformer's cartoon).

The problem for them is their inability to actually create AN ending to THEIR game/story.  They so wanted things to not be canon and that painted them into a corner.  For a sequel, they will ****** off a lot of people if they make one choice canon and none of them works really well as just a natural occurrence.  In two of them, you have reapers alive and the opinion that Shepard died.  In one of them you have all synthetics destroyed (or a handwave) and Shepard maybe most probably lived.  And in another, you have some future cycle defeating the reapers.  You have four separate realities.  But I do think they'd be foolish to not do a sequel, set in a time period not too long after these events, based in this galaxy, and based upon one canon ending (not control, not synthesis)

Prequels lead to this and are just as meaningless as some DLC.  All prequels would have to lead to deaths by reapers.

Major sidequest-set the game in another galaxy at the same or even a different time period.  Ok, then it's not human based (and I really didn't care about just Earth as the ME3 writers seemed to) and creating your avatar will be less fun and less immersive.  It might be fun for awhile, playing as some other alien race, but for many people after having played as Shepard, that will take most of the fun out of it.  And they aren't really good at making aliens that look vastly different from each other (they all look the same).


Just imagine if they do use a canon choice (say it's destroy) to base a sequel off of.  Will there then be ME(4) beginning haters?

[GimmeDaGun]

spirosz wrote...

GimmeDaGun wrote...

Bester76 wrote...

Good luck to them.

My ME journey ends with Shepard though, so if that's it, thanks and I'll be saving my $$$s.

Why don't you just follow the wait and see and being open minded policy? It might be a good game and you might love it. Who knows? 

I was open minded with ME3 and DA II, SWTOR, want me to go on? Neither are bad games, I did enjoy all 3, but not what I expected, lol.  

Being open minded is kind of an attitude which always expects the unexpected. I had different ideas about ME3 before it came out, but I still like the result (well the ending without the EC was a mass, but now it's absolutely ok). 

[RiouHotaru]

Prequels are fine. Even if you know how an event ends, there's still plenty of personal stories to tell.

As for sequels, I don't mind if Synthesis (the concept) becomes the future drive of civilization. I mean c'mon, a lot of us have seen Ghost In The Shell, Synthesis is the next logical step in that direction.

While I'm sad that the stories of the characters we've come to love are over, there's still plenty of room for other interesting and exciting things to happen. Can't wait to see what gets dropped in our laps.

[xAmilli0n]

 Shepard is done.  Her story is finished, and its time to move on.  ME =/= Shepard, and there are SO many potential stories to tell that I think could be even better than Shepard's journey.  As long as they stick to their vibrant universe, keep introducing interesting characters, and tell interesting, relatable stories, they should be fine.  Unless they make an MMO...<_<

[hukbum]

GimmeDaGun wrote...

spirosz wrote...

GimmeDaGun wrote...

Bester76 wrote...

Good luck to them.

My ME journey ends with Shepard though, so if that's it, thanks and I'll be saving my $$$s.

Why don't you just follow the wait and see and being open minded policy? It might be a good game and you might love it. Who knows?

I was open minded with ME3 and DA II, SWTOR, want me to go on? Neither are bad games, I did enjoy all 3, but not what I expected, lol.

Being open minded is kind of an attitude which always expects the unexpected. I had different ideas about ME3 before it came out, but I still like the result (well the ending without the EC was a mass, but now it's absolutely ok).

Hmm ... I'm open minded. But one things for sure - no preorder/full price in the next years. I'll give the games a try ... when the games are on sale. I stumbled into ME like this and it looks like it's my way out, too ^^

[Yobel]

AxStapleton wrote...

So just another shooter then?

The one and only, the best Mass Effect 1 was a schooter too. Difference from the second and third part - it was an RPG. 

[MegaSovereign]

3DandBeyond wrote...

Kia Purity wrote...

nope.avi

Seriously though, I don't think they can pull off ME4 very well because there's two problems.

1) Everyone pretty much knows what happened before ME1. No investment there considering ME3's "ending".

2) A sequel might work but it would require them to canonize one of the endings. Bioware seems to favor Synthesis and considering how I reacted badly to synthesis. This gets a LOUD nope from me.
(The way they did it rubs me the wrong way and you can't alter DNA code just like that in a snap, it has to be done gradually with virus and bacteria. NOT SPACE MAGIC! No, just no, Bioware. The Violinist's Thumb book actually explains how DNA works and it helped me understand better about why Space Magic induced Synthesis is IMPOSSIBLE.)

They actually can't win either way. Especially considering the fanbase is still mostly bitter towards ME3 for turning out the way it did. (However, there are some people that are okay now but still, this does not factor in those who have remained silent and moved on from ME3.)

Exactly right.  Polls on this site indicate just how disliked synthesis is (it's just not logical as stated and it's so like someone read a little bit about the idea and used that one scene from a Transformer's cartoon).

The problem for them is their inability to actually create AN ending to THEIR game/story.  They so wanted things to not be canon and that painted them into a corner.  For a sequel, they will ****** off a lot of people if they make one choice canon and none of them works really well as just a natural occurrence.  In two of them, you have reapers alive and the opinion that Shepard died.  In one of them you have all synthetics destroyed (or a handwave) and Shepard maybe most probably lived.  And in another, you have some future cycle defeating the reapers.  You have four separate realities.  But I do think they'd be foolish to not do a sequel, set in a time period not too long after these events, based in this galaxy, and based upon one canon ending (not control, not synthesis)

Prequels lead to this and are just as meaningless as some DLC.  All prequels would have to lead to deaths by reapers.

Major sidequest-set the game in another galaxy at the same or even a different time period.  Ok, then it's not human based (and I really didn't care about just Earth as the ME3 writers seemed to) and creating your avatar will be less fun and less immersive.  It might be fun for awhile, playing as some other alien race, but for many people after having played as Shepard, that will take most of the fun out of it.  And they aren't really good at making aliens that look vastly different from each other (they all look the same).


Just imagine if they do use a canon choice (say it's destroy) to base a sequel off of.  Will there then be ME(4) beginning haters?

That's why it shouldn't and probably won't be a sequel. Hence why Shepard isn't returning.

If it's after the events of ME3 then it will probably be hundreds if not thousands of years into the future where ending choice decision has mostly leveled. Synthetics are rebuilt post-Destroy, the Reapers are somehow gone in Control, and in the Synthesis ending the cosmetic changes (green circuits) have either toned down or disappeared. There will still be some differences in peoples' canons but it won't be game-changing to the point where you are seeing 3 completely different game builds.

I can see them going with the dark energy plot this time around, especially when thousands of years into the future should be plenty enough for the problem to escalate. The galaxy will probably be divided on how to solve the issue. This would be very interesting from a Role-playing perspective..

[SpamBot2000]

BioWare to Shepard: "Drop dead!"

That's nice.

[BassStyles]

Meh I'm always up for fresh faces. Shep was cool and all, but I believe Bioware can come up with another Shep character (really it's your character) so new cast and all is welcome.

[Krimzie]

LazyTechGuy wrote...

I am okay with the idea that Shepard's story is over. The only problem is I can't accept how Shepard's story ended with a big "The End?"

[...]

However, I don't like the idea that BioWare seems to be hitting the reset button on us with a different character, a different story and a different context. Almost to say that they can't build anything out of the ruins of the ME3 ending, so they have to start fresh with the only similarity being it's in the same universe.

This just about echoes what I feel. I've been invested in trilogies before and most of them, when they ended, did not leave me aching for more or even entertaining the thought of a continuation -- and that's because they ended. The reason I and many other people are so hesitant for a fresh story in the universe is because of the question marks they left. They were not speculation question marks -- like the end of DKR, for example. They were deliberate cliffhangers in classic cliffhanger style that cue the player to start salivating for a continuation, because they implied an unifinished plot -- they implied a character still buried under rubble. BW didn't have to do that. They really shouldn't have, as they'd be in a MUCH better position with their new stories if they hadn't.

IMO, the end result is exactly as you say: the feeling that they don't know what to do with their ME3 endings, and just want to haul ass as far away from those plotlines as possible.  Whether or not that's valid (because BW DOES hire talented writers, some of whom I am SURE posited at least one Shepard-related, ME3-linked storyline in the writer's room), it's still the impression they'll be giving off.

Modifié par Krimzie, 19 octobre 2012 - 02:33 .

[AdmiralDavidAnderson]

How could they continue with Shepard? He died in 3 of the 4 endings.

[GimmeDaGun]

Fedi.St wrote...

GimmeDaGun wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

If Shepard's trilogy is destined to stay lying in that rubble. I'm not buying anymore Mass Effect games. It would be a betrayel to my emotions and if BioWare honestly think I will ever trust them again with my immersion. They can **** off.

A rather civilized way to express your opinion. If you read something like this, you definitely will pay attention and take it seriously. Way to go... now this is not complaining anymore, but whining. 

gimme you want to be civilised. go drink your tea with the queen oh great queen.

they betrayed their own franchise and whoever dares to say it,bioware is bashing them and throw around excuses which burn our brains. They are mocking their fan base in a civilised way. So they started it. let people vent and stop trying to put everyone in the right place.


bioware is not listening anyway. The old bioware is dead.

Never cared for the old or new Bioware. I only care about individual games: ME3 is one I happen to like. So I'm greatful for the work the people at Bioware put into it. I love the whole trilogy, and I never felt betrayed by Bioware. For sweet mother of mercy's sake, it's just a game developing company. It can't "betray" you. You either fall for their marketing devices and feel disappointed about the result, because it does not meet your expectations or you happen to like it. You don't like what they do, just don't buy their products. Simple
But betrayal... especially their own product. I mean they could go and release a game titled ME4 in which you go around farting on the faces of Shepard's LIs with a troll faced reaper husks, it would be their business. It's their creation they can do anything they want with it. So they did with ME3: it's their product of creativity. Not ours. You happen to dislike the outcome. Fair enough.  ... but betrayal...   What is this a soap opera? 


As for being civilized my dear friend. Yeah, saying "****. you!" is really the way to make your point. But, hell... it must be a matter of upbringing and intelligence I guess... we are all different after all.

Modifié par GimmeDaGun, 19 octobre 2012 - 02:34 .

[AxStapleton]

YobelX wrote...

AxStapleton wrote...

So just another shooter then?

The one and only, the best Mass Effect 1 was a schooter too. Difference from the second and third part - it was an RPG. 

No, ****? Next your going to tell me it's a Sci-Fi.

What I mean is, that it would be difficult for it to to be an RPG where your decisions actually mean anything. They'd have to be very small scale just so that they make any sense in relation to the universe. The fact that decisions were meant to have far reaching consequences was the selling point of the trilogy to begin with. 

Modifié par AxStapleton, 19 octobre 2012 - 02:40 .

[AlanC9]

3DandBeyond wrote...
The problem for them is their inability to actually create AN ending to THEIR game/story.  They so wanted things to not be canon and that painted them into a corner.  For a sequel, they will ****** off a lot of people if they make one choice canon and none of them works really well as just a natural occurrence.  In two of them, you have reapers alive and the opinion that Shepard died.  In one of them you have all synthetics destroyed (or a handwave) and Shepard maybe most probably lived.  And in another, you have some future cycle defeating the reapers.  You have four separate realities.  But I do think they'd be foolish to not do a sequel, set in a time period not too long after these events, based in this galaxy, and based upon one canon ending (not control, not synthesis)

Nor refuse. That'd mean essentially a new setting. Might as well start a new franchise if they go that route.

OTOH, this does give them a lot of creative freedom. Since this is almost certainly going to happen...

Just imagine if they do use a canon choice (say it's destroy) to base a sequel off of.  Will there then be ME(4) beginning haters?

........ they don't have to worry too much. They're going to be hated whatever they do, so they might as well do whatever they want. Well, canonizing Synthesis would probably result in a bit more hate, but I think that option would fail on the merits anyway.

[AlanC9]

MegaSovereign wrote...
If it's after the events of ME3 then it will probably be hundreds if not thousands of years into the future where ending choice decision has mostly leveled. Synthetics are rebuilt post-Destroy, the Reapers are somehow gone in Control, and in the Synthesis ending the cosmetic changes (green circuits) have either toned down or disappeared. There will still be some differences in peoples' canons but it won't be game-changing to the point where you are seeing 3 completely different game builds.

The KotOR 2 approach, eh? Grind the previous game's endings into indistinguishable mush?

Eww.

[MegaSovereign]

GimmeDaGun wrote...

Fedi.St wrote...

GimmeDaGun wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

If Shepard's trilogy is destined to stay lying in that rubble. I'm not buying anymore Mass Effect games. It would be a betrayel to my emotions and if BioWare honestly think I will ever trust them again with my immersion. They can **** off.

A rather civilized way to express your opinion. If you read something like this, you definitely will pay attention and take it seriously. Way to go... now this is not complaining anymore, but whining. 

gimme you want to be civilised. go drink your tea with the queen oh great queen.

they betrayed their own franchise and whoever dares to say it,bioware is bashing them and throw around excuses which burn our brains. They are mocking their fan base in a civilised way. So they started it. let people vent and stop trying to put everyone in the right place.


bioware is not listening anyway. The old bioware is dead.

Never cared for the old or new Bioware. I only care about individual games: ME3 is one I happen to like. So I'm greatful for the work the people at Bioware put into it. I love the whole trilogy, and I never felt betrayed by Bioware. For sweet mother of mercy's sake, it's just a game developing company. It can't "betray" you. You either fall for their marketing devices and feel disappointed about the result, because it does not meet your expectations or you happen to like it. You don't like what they do, just don't buy their products. Simple
But betrayal... especially their own product. I mean they could go and release a game titled ME4 in which you go around farting on the faces of Shepard's LIs with a troll faced reaper husks, it would be their business. It's their creation they can do anything they want with it. So they did with ME3: it's their product of creativity. Not ours. You happen to dislike the outcome. Fair enough.  ... but betrayal...   What is this a soap opera? 


As for being civilized my dear friend. Yeah, saying "****. you!" is really the way to make your point. But, hell... it must be a matter of upbringing and intelligence I guess... we are all different after all.

Pretty much this. What Bioware is doing isn't a crime against humanity...

[Wowky]

I'm okay with further ME stuff not having Shepard, I just really want a new story rather than for example The Rachni Wars or some other conflict we already know the outcome of.

The game could be in an entirely different galaxy for all we know.

[Foxhound2121]

It needs to be far into the future. It can't be in the past because it will be in shepard's shadow. It would be boring. We already know what the universe is like in the past.

If they make it in the past, they would have to canonize all of shepard's decisions near those events. Plus, it would be boring. If they make it in the future, they only have to canonize one decision. Plus, start fresh with a new story around new events.

I know this sounds bad. I hate synthesis just like most people do, but maybe it would be interesting to canonize synthesis, so that the new protagonist has to find out a way to free the rest of the universe from the enslavement of synthesis. That would be an interesting plot. Just a thought anyway.