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[Argolas]

Thanks Bioware, I could not have said it better. It´s time to move on.

[Foxhound2121]

Jere85 wrote...

I liked the Warden alot more then i liked Hawke. So i hope Mass effect wont fail as they did in DA2... (personal opinion, dont care about yours)

I don't know who this Hawke person is. I just glanced for 5 seconds at the dynasty warriors combat in a trailer and knew I wasn't interested.

[Jere85]

Foxhound2121 wrote...

Jere85 wrote...

I liked the Warden alot more then i liked Hawke. So i hope Mass effect wont fail as they did in DA2... (personal opinion, dont care about yours)

I don't know who this Hawke person is. I just glanced for 5 seconds at the dynasty warriors combat in a trailer and knew I wasn't interested.

Be happy you werent

[dublin omega 223]

Chief Commander wrote...

Added the Quotes from BW to the first post.

I still feel like Sheps story is not finished. I want to know if he survives or not. Creating such a hero and then leaving his fate in the unknown is a bad move in my opinion.

I agree and if Shepards story isn't finished properly in ME4, or a decent explanation is given the fate of Shepard in the game. I won't be buying Mass Effect 4.

[Hexley UK]

FemaleMageFan wrote...

I can't wait to buy this one

If you preorder now you get a limited edition plastic dog turd figurine.

[darthoptimus003]

there is no we only you some might want shep some wont

[Overtkill]

I think Bioware has moved on from its original fans; the fans that played for the story versus the combat.

As such I am pretty sure they just don't care about all of us that think the trilogy has an awful & horribly uneven ending.

Mass Effect Next will be a combat focused game with a plot that will put Naughty Bear to shame, but can we blame them? Obviously story telling is no longer their strength.

[Dean_the_Young]

LilLino wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

If a timeskip only keeps the Big Decisions around as relevant, and lets the small decisions and individual experiences of Shepard's story fall into the background, how is this a Bad Thing?

Because Bioware sucks at making big choices revelant and personalises everything.

Like for ME3 personal choice to save Wrex(1 Krogan Bounty Hunter) in ME1 is more important than grand-scale choice like saving Destiny Ascencion.(10000 Alien lives + leaders of the galaxy).

It'd lead to situation where Shepard's personality choices would not matter at all and grand-scale choices would still matter very little and changed only a bit of dialogue. So I'd prefer if Shep's personal choices stay, at least Bioware would handle them good.

Yet you aren't establishing how the proximity between ME3 and ME4 would increase the relevance of Shepard's choices one way or another. Bioware struggles (or at least doesn't care to try) to make all choices relevant between games in near chronological proximity in the first place.

Even ignoring that ME3 pretty much stands as the most import-relevant game of living memory, at least a time skip allows a plausible reason, as opposed to a 'won't be bothered' reason, for letting all the little decisions fade with time, and instead focus only on how to incorporate the truly galaxy-shaping choices as much as they ever would be.

[Iakus]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

If Shepard's trilogy is destined to stay lying in that rubble. I'm not buying anymore Mass Effect games. It would be a betrayel to my emotions and if BioWare honestly think I will ever trust them again with my immersion. They can **** off.

Indeed.

If my last image of Shepard is his broken, burned body lying in a pile of rubble, why in the world would I want to return to this universe?  How can I trust Bioware won't drop a bridge on my next character? (yes, "my" character.  This is still an rpg, after all)

 Heck, how can I be sure they won't just take the character away from me whenever "the Narrative" demands it?  Just like with ME3.  I can understand wanting to make ME3 smply go away.  But ignoring it's not going to make that happen

Edit:  If Shepard got a decent ending, I'd have no problem with having a new protagonist for the next Mass Effect game

Modifié par iakus, 19 octobre 2012 - 05:23 .

[Dean_the_Young]

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

For a single player game that may be true, but not for an MMO that needs a constant stream of revenue for the bandwidth, servers, paying developers, maintenance, tech support, etc. If you want a source on this so bad cause you can't take the 5 secs to type it in google yourself, then here: http://www.forbes.co...-is-in-decline/. And before you say anything, yes this is for the most part speculation, 

How could an opinion piece devoid of data to actually support its many claims be considered a valid source of support?

but it's speculation that makes a lot of sense to me personally and i think it's at least somewhat accurate.

Ah, yes, truthiness.

Well, I'll give you that: it's really hard to argue with the good old confirmation bias. Feeling true can go a long way towards making anything seem plausible.

Blowing the foot off is obviously meant to mean the company is dragging itself at this point with a bleeding stump. Like a weakened animal it's a matter of time before it dies. But you took that literally, which I can't help.

In case you missed the state of the economy, nearly all video game companies are struggling.

[HiddenInWar]

You know...I honestly don't get it. This is the first time I've visited the story forums in a while, and if people still don't like the endings...why don't they just fix them? Why drag this out longer than it has to? Its been eight months and there's still backlash. EIGHT. I mean, is bioware planning something, have some trick up their sleeve?

[wright1978]

Never thought for an instant that Shep would be coming back.
What worries me is i'm getting a vibe that they wish to depart from the current RPG genre and this fabled new game may just be a straight shooter painted in mass effect colours.

[Dean_the_Young]

HiddenInWar wrote...

You know...I honestly don't get it. This is the first time I've visited the story forums in a while, and if people still don't like the endings...why don't they just fix them? Why drag this out longer than it has to? Its been eight months and there's still backlash. EIGHT. I mean, is bioware planning something, have some trick up their sleeve?

Because there are always people who don't like this or that. No number of changes, and no matter what you changed to, would please everyone.

[AlanC9]

Krimzie wrote...
The way the story went in the 3, you're right, more Shepard would feel like more unbelievable death defiance. But I wonder if that's because BW underestimated the amount of mileage you could get out of one save-transfer character and shortchanged the potential story arcs.

Thing is, the longer a series goes on, the worse managing such arcs becomes. ME3, as Dean rightly notes above, is already on the far end of what's ever been attempted in RPGs, and all Bio gets for their trouble is endless whining about how our choices don't actually matter. A fourth game would just have made things worse. I doubt anyone will ever attempt a trilogy again.

(Semi-related sidenote: are there any other games with customizable characters that can be save-transfered to sequels on the market right now? I actually don't know and I want to.)

I can't think of any recent ones. Or that many in all of gaming history. Even games with the same protagonist often transfer just the protagonist, and either don't transfer his choices (MotB, BG2), or never had any choices in the first place (Ultima, SoU-HotU). The Witcher 2 imports a handful of things from TW1, but that character isn't customizable.

Modifié par AlanC9, 19 octobre 2012 - 05:33 .

[Ananka]

Shepard not coming back in ME4 sounds good to me! I like Shepard, but her story is over. I want a new protagonist. And I'd prefer it not to be another soldier either.

[Persephone]

Asharad Hett wrote...

That's fine. We don't want ME4.

We don't?

Well, DRATS, I sure DO!

[AlanC9]

wright1978 wrote...

Never thought for an instant that Shep would be coming back.
What worries me is i'm getting a vibe that they wish to depart from the current RPG genre and this fabled new game may just be a straight shooter painted in mass effect colours.

Well, note this part of the piece:

“So first, we don’t want to make ‘Shepard 2′, or Mass Effect 4 with like, ‘oh there’s no more Shepard but you’re a soldier in the universe’. So this will be a very, very different context for sure, and nothing has been decided on the rest.”

So they don't want another soldier. Makes a straight shooter a bit less likely, no?

[wright1978]

AlanC9 wrote...

wright1978 wrote...

Never thought for an instant that Shep would be coming back.
What worries me is i'm getting a vibe that they wish to depart from the current RPG genre and this fabled new game may just be a straight shooter painted in mass effect colours.

Well, note this part of the piece:

“So first, we don’t want to make ‘Shepard 2′, or Mass Effect 4 with like, ‘oh there’s no more Shepard but you’re a soldier in the universe’. So this will be a very, very different context for sure, and nothing has been decided on the rest.”

So they don't want another soldier. Makes a straight shooter a bit less likely, no?

Maybe you are right. I'm just deeply suspicious of why you would move Mass Effect from its current dev and writer team and transplant it to Montreal studio.

[Mr.House]

If Shepards story is truly over, can we get a good ending for her that gives her closure instead of having to headcanon it?

[Mr.House]

AlanC9 wrote...

Krimzie wrote...
The way the story went in the 3, you're right, more Shepard would feel like more unbelievable death defiance. But I wonder if that's because BW underestimated the amount of mileage you could get out of one save-transfer character and shortchanged the potential story arcs.

Thing is, the longer a series goes on, the worse managing such arcs becomes. ME3, as Dean rightly notes above, is already on the far end of what's ever been attempted in RPGs, and all Bio gets for their trouble is endless whining about how our choices don't actually matter. A fourth game would just have made things worse. I doubt anyone will ever attempt a trilogy again.

There has been many video game trilogies, most where far better then the Mass Effect trilogy. Also Halo 4 will start a new trilogy and judging by how many people loved the ending, which has been leaked things look fine.

[PrimeOfValor]

I knew this months ago that Shepard is done, but my only concern is what the new protagonists is going to be and what is the time frame(setting) of ME4. This is major concern for fans as much as Bioware's on the fact of what the fans likes/dislikes between prequels, spin-offs, or sequels.

I mean if we get prequel then some of the fans will start the mindset that the reapers will be looming over darkspace regardless of which conflict (ie. rachni wars).

If we get a sequel then we get the time frame hundred (if not thousands) of years after the reaper wars, lastly that synthesis is inevatiable" deal regardless of which of the endings that the fans picked. If they take off just the glowing green eyes concept  then I'm good even though I don't usaully pick that ending.

Modifié par bigmass41, 19 octobre 2012 - 05:57 .

[Illiandri]

Actually we could have Shepard alive in all three win scenarios for a future ME.

Destroy - Has the breathing scene
Control - Uploads consiousness to a robot body just like EDI
Synthesis - His "essence" is magically reconstructed from a single cell using some plants and stuff just like Alex Mercer in Prototype (Yes, Synthesis is space magic).

Also higher power forbid that the next ME touches upon the long term fallout of the original trilogy such as an upset balance of power with humanity as the largest military power in the galaxy, a human controlled reaper fleet or that a human forcibly altered the fabric of existence. A cold war following the reaper war.

[FOX216BC]

Mr.House wrote...

If Shepards story is truly over, can we get a good ending for her that gives her closure instead of having to headcanon it?

+1

[Iakus]

FOX216BC wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

If Shepards story is truly over, can we get a good ending for her that gives her closure instead of having to headcanon it?

+1

+2

[AlanC9]

Mr.House wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Krimzie wrote...
The way the story went in the 3, you're right, more Shepard would feel like more unbelievable death defiance. But I wonder if that's because BW underestimated the amount of mileage you could get out of one save-transfer character and shortchanged the potential story arcs.

Thing is, the longer a series goes on, the worse managing such arcs becomes. ME3, as Dean rightly notes above, is already on the far end of what's ever been attempted in RPGs, and all Bio gets for their trouble is endless whining about how our choices don't actually matter. A fourth game would just have made things worse. I doubt anyone will ever attempt a trilogy again.

There has been many video game trilogies, most where far better then the Mass Effect trilogy. Also Halo 4 will start a new trilogy and judging by how many people loved the ending, which has been leaked things look fine.

To clarify, I meant a trilogy with savegame imports and choices that carry over. I should have specified, so thanks for the correction.

Modifié par AlanC9, 19 octobre 2012 - 05:56 .