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[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Quite honestly the ending has had such an impact a friend of mine and I were watching an episode of Sanctuary season 2 where they were in the Gulf of Mexico after a rare vampiric squid and it ended with the chopper down and the two main characters were trapped floating at the bottom of an abandoned oil rig, no transponder, nothing, no life jackets.

Me: "Well that's just peachy. How long can they tread water?"
Friend: "They're going to be rescued, and there are plastic floats they can grab onto."
Me: "Which are burning. They could drown. Who is going to find them?"
Friend: "Their team."
Me: "How? They gave a 15 mile radius. There's no debris. No transponder. Nothing. It's broad daylight. The team isn't going to know they're missing for another 8 hours. It's going to take their team about 8 hours to get to New Orleans, charter a chopper and another 2 hours just to get to where they can run a search pattern, and then there's fuel. They could drown."
Friend: "They're the main characters. There are three more disks in the case. They're going to get rescued."
Me: "How do you know? I don't see a rescue. They don't even know they're missing. They could drown."
Friend: "You Americans. Haven't you ever heard of an open ending? Shut up and put the next disk in."
Me: "Could go under any time. Drown. Die."
Friend: (throws pillow)

It just made me very cynical.

[xSTONEYx187x]

Jesus.Henry Christ, I think Mass Effect 3 is mediocre, but the OP is deluded, it's too bad that people use his kind as example of people who don't like Mass Effect 3. (Ending notwithstanding)

It was obvious that a new game, meant a new protag.

Modifié par xSTONEYx187x, 19 octobre 2012 - 05:39 .

[AlanC9]

Han Shot First wrote...
That isn't a cliffhanger.

Take the Western movie genre as an example. The cliched ending for many of those movies was the white hat (hero) riding off into the sunset at the end of the movie, after having defeated the black hat (villain) in a duel. We don't know what happens to the white hat after that, he just disappears over the horizon and we never hear from him again. That isn't a cliffhanger however, because the plot of the film is resolved and the villain vanquished before he rides off into that sunset.

Indeed. Note that in Shane, the hero has been seriously wounded before riding off. Whether he lives or dies is not shown; I guess viewers can headcanon whatever they want, though obviously nobody would use that term in 1953. 

( I can't remember if the book makes it any clearer; I always headcanoned that he pulled a Will Munny)

Modifié par AlanC9, 19 octobre 2012 - 05:41 .

[AtreiyaN7]

Great, I come back to read something before starting work in a bit, and I find out that I wasted my time on a completely useless thread in here for the ten millionth time. Thanks, OP!

[AlanC9]

C'mon, AtreiyaN7.... with a title like that, you can't have expected anything better from the thread.

[FOX216BC]

Yeah a new character they can kill of in a ****y way after 3 games.
If they make a other trilogy i am going to wait until all 3 are available.
Read gamers (NOT IGN) reviews and then i will or wont buy them.

Modifié par FOX216BC, 19 octobre 2012 - 05:55 .

[darthoptimus003]

frostajulie wrote...

Sorry apparently I hold the shift key down on my laptop no idea why. Let me be clear Shepards death is fine. but I want a refusal victory. with refusal I am able to beat the game on my own terms and not dictated to by the AI at the end. I was really certain Bioware was going for a victory through unity strength in diversity feel good ending I even love the idea of Shepard dying but in the process setting the galaxy up for that epic win. Then at the end of ME3 the synthetic organic argument reappears and shifts the focus away from the united victory the rest of the game and indeed series had been leading up to. It was discordant and jarring and confusing and so when offerred between control (become your enemy), synthesis(genetically manipulate all sentient life in the galaxy without their consent and no idea of the true consequences), or destroy (for me an act of genocide- the spirit of the word not literal interpretation), or refuse and bet on humanity and the united forces of the combined galaxy I chose the only emotionally satisfying choice available refuse. Then I lost.

I actually like the idea of a loss through refuse for low EMS. but if my EMS is high and I brokered peace between quarians and geth, got the rachni on board and the Krogan turians and salarians then I want a refuse win even if the only way to win is if my Shepard bleeds out on the crucible. I would watch the galactic forces defeat the reapers and then get the end scene where your LI puts your name up on the Normandy wall but its a new age for sentient life in the galaxy free from reaper control and for the first time charting their own destiny among the stars all brought about by Shepards unwavering belief that a united galaxy can save themselves when brought together to celebrate their shared common values while respecting each others differences. I confusingly thought this was the premise and theme of all 3 games.

this

[Ghost Lightning]

Wait, what? So I can't play as Reaper God Shepard in ME4?

Wait wtf...ME4....

[shepskisaac]

Ghost Lightning wrote...

Wait, what? So I can't play as Reaper God Shepard in ME4?

You can... In Mass Effect Citadel! Play as Citadel-Shep!

[PsiMatrix]

The problem is despite the universe being rich; there's no wiggle-room.

Sequel is out of the question without confirming one or negating all choices. Either the endings get homogenised or one gets pick making the rest "wrong". That goes against the grain of choice that ME is known for.

Prequel means we'll either go back to slow, unlimited fire weapons or conventional human weaponary (woo, modern-day shooter) OR we get some contrived reason as to why they use clips despite it only coming in after ME1.

Sidequel just means playing second-fiddle to Shepard and the Reapers. It could be done if the balance is right or the story is more character focused (or they get a good geek-heaven cast like they did with Halo ODST).

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

IsaacShep wrote...

Ghost Lightning wrote...

Wait, what? So I can't play as Reaper God Shepard in ME4?

You can... In Mass Effect Citadel! Play as Citadel-Shep!

But you only get to have your lines at the end of the trilogy.

You: Wake up.
blahblah blha
You: I am the Catalyst.
blahblahblah
You: The Citadel. It is my home.

[PrimeOfValor]

PsiMatrix wrote...

The problem is despite the universe being rich; there's no wiggle-room.

Sequel is out of the question without confirming one or negating all choices. Either the endings get homogenised or one gets pick making the rest "wrong". That goes against the grain of choice that ME is known for.

Prequel means we'll either go back to slow, unlimited fire weapons or conventional human weaponary (woo, modern-day shooter) OR we get some contrived reason as to why they use clips despite it only coming in after ME1.

Sidequel just means playing second-fiddle to Shepard and the Reapers. It could be done if the balance is right or the story is more character focused (or they get a good geek-heaven cast like they did with Halo ODST).

In a sequel, there is the idea that "synthesis is inevitable" regardless of the endings picked.

[Mark of the Dragon]

A Bethesda Fan wrote...

Dav3VsTh3World wrote...

In all seriousness it'd be impossible for Shepard to be the protagonist in ME4 since 2 of the 3 possible starts of the game has Shepard being dead.

Also if you ask me the series needs to be set at a different time period

2 of those endings were wrong so the canon ending would be him alive.
The majority rules, per say.

Thats your opinion. They are not going to make a game because YOU have problems with two of the endings. They dont have to make a new post single player mission either. Shepards story is over. Bioware has been saying he wouldnt be in ME4 since the idea first came up. It is time to move on.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

PsiMatrix wrote...

The problem is despite the universe being rich; there's no wiggle-room.

Sequel is out of the question without confirming one or negating all choices. Either the endings get homogenised or one gets pick making the rest "wrong". That goes against the grain of choice that ME is known for.

Prequel means we'll either go back to slow, unlimited fire weapons or conventional human weaponary (woo, modern-day shooter) OR we get some contrived reason as to why they use clips despite it only coming in after ME1.

Sidequel just means playing second-fiddle to Shepard and the Reapers. It could be done if the balance is right or the story is more character focused (or they get a good geek-heaven cast like they did with Halo ODST).

They will select a canon. Sorry folks, but that's the only way they can move forward. It is going to involve the unthinkable -- indoctrination. That article doesn't really tell you squat. It just confirms we won't be playing as Commander Shepard. That's all.

[Codename_Code]

The problem is that they did not close commander shepard story properly and now s/he is a lost soul that cant find the peacefull way out of our minds, and on top of that they want to disrespectfully revisit the ME universe.

I say no shepard no mass effect, or give me a proper closure, one worthy of the saga and the commander, if you dont want to do that then dont milk the cow with a spinoff, I dont want prequels, or your free to play MMO, I want Shepard to wake up and kick literal reaper ass, not metaphorical.

Modifié par Codename_Code, 19 octobre 2012 - 06:52 .

[Tonymac]

chmarr wrote...

http://www.digitalsp...er-shepard.html


mass effect without the main charactor of the series is like james bond without bond.

you cannot take out the person that made the mass effect series, after the total screw up of mass effect 3 the  damage that the now EX-CEO's attitude towards the people that made bioware damaged the franchise as well as biowares reputation.

the ONLY way for all of this to be fixed is to release a post me3 SP mission and i dont mean a couple of hours i mean something that takes at MINIMUM 6 hours to fix the ending and give our shepard the ending that WE WANT.

look at thegears of war series, the ending was what everyone wanted, OUR fenix gets a happy ending abet with the loss of his father but we still got the ending we wqanted, it gave us satisfaction knowning the person we gave YEARS of our life dedicated to our char but we were satisfied.

mass effect 3, so many pre-release interviews, so many promises so many garentee's so much stuff promised and guess what, EVERY SINGLE ONE WAS BROKEN, we then had CEO'sderate and belittle US, the people that BOUGHT THE GAME and now those CEO's are quitting because they cannot take critisisim and yet they STILL berate and belittle US.

mass effect 4, no shepard and were to play a soilder, thats NOTHING new because we all know why, oh yeah multiplayer, being a soilder gives then soooooooooo many new options, na i dont think so toss in the fact we cannot import our save is obviously  going to be true.

so this is why i wont be getting mass effect 4 unless it is shepard, remember bioware LISTEN TO US WE KNOW GAMES better than you on that front.

After what I have seen for ME3, I am loathe to try any further ME type of game.  I feel that the writers have let us down with a terrible story, and far less than satisfactory ending(s).  They (Bioware/Nerfware) raped and destroyed Shepard - the greatest and most human of heros that ever lived.  I feel as is a lot of heart and soul were stomped on intentionally - a final crunching goodbye to Shepard.

Until both Mac and Casey are out of the picture, I do not think it will be worth purchasing any further ME content.  ME1 was a Masterpiece.  ME2 was kind of out there, but still a fun game until the human termi-reaper laughingstock of a joke.  ME3 was a good game 'overall' - it had its moments.  Many of the writers who worked on individual character stories did amazing work.  However, the direction it all went, and the treatment of Shepard, the broken promisses left the story feeling hurried and basically worthless.  They went for the dollar sign versus good quality. 

I will not forget the treatment of Shepard - the lead character and hero.  My previous decisions in other games amounted to zilch.  Martyring the lead character, costing him his friends, his love interest was not the right call.  Anyone with some modicum of writing skills can tell you that the story sucked hard - and I expected more from Bioware.

I do not believe that the lead writier or the lead developer have learned anything from this experience.  They count their money, and roll around in it laughing and paying homage to themselves.  They think they are great - wonderful writers and brilliant men.  In my opinion, they are shysters.  ME3 was a letdown.  After all of the hype, all of the potential wasted..... I hope they don't try again.  ME3 could have been incredible.  Instead....  well, it is what it is - the biggest letdown in recent gaming memory.

Even if they made a good ME4, (highly unlikely) then we are right back to square one.  The one thing Bioware is no good at is writing good games in the long view.  They are no good at trilogies.  They don't listen to the fans.  Since they are not taking their (apparently perscribed) medications, we can expect no good or happy endings ever.  Everyone must die, including the hero - maybe your ove interest makes it - which makes it even worse.  I play these games to have fun, to experience the story - to live it and breathe it in my dreams.  Its not my story unless its fun - who the hell plays a game to NOT have fun and be berated by underpar writers?

TL;DR  ME3 sucked, and Bioware has a ways to go to earn my trust.

[Iakus]

Codename_Code wrote...

The problem is that they did not close commander shepard story properly and now s/he is a lost soul that cant find the peacefull way out of our minds, and on top of that they want to disrespectfully revisit the ME universe.

I say no shepard no mass effect, or give me a proper closure, one worthy of the saga and the commander, if you dont want to do that then dont milk the cow with a spinoff, I dont want prequels, or your free to play MMO, I want Shepard to wake up and kick literal reaper ass, not metaphorical.

Absolutely this

I had no problem going from the Warden to Hawke in Dragon Age.  And reasonably content to go from Hawke to...whoever the next protagonist will be.  

But I cannot fathom how the end of ME3 was a proper sendoff for Shepard.

[christrek1982]

CrimsonNephilim wrote...

Bioware is in an awkward spot right now. The last few games they have released have flopped in one form or another: DA2, SWTOR, ME3.

A lot of staff got fired after TOR's failure, other major key players left, and now the Co-founders are leaving next month. Ray and Greg's love for story driving the plot of games is why we ended up with games like DA:O and ME1 & 2, with them gone it's hard to tell if we'll continue to get games that are story driven.

humm never thought of it like that only time will tell but I pray bioware don't start throwing out MW GW clones and have the cheak to charge £50 for 5 hours of gameplay.

[christrek1982]

iakus wrote...

Codename_Code wrote...

The problem is that they did not close commander shepard story properly and now s/he is a lost soul that cant find the peacefull way out of our minds, and on top of that they want to disrespectfully revisit the ME universe.

I say no shepard no mass effect, or give me a proper closure, one worthy of the saga and the commander, if you dont want to do that then dont milk the cow with a spinoff, I dont want prequels, or your free to play MMO, I want Shepard to wake up and kick literal reaper ass, not metaphorical.

Absolutely this

I had no problem going from the Warden to Hawke in Dragon Age.  And reasonably content to go from Hawke to...whoever the next protagonist will be.  

But I cannot fathom how the end of ME3 was a proper sendoff for Shepard.

I am the same way I have no issue with moving on from shepard maybe even get the chance to play as somthing other than human (would love to play as an Asari) but shep did not get a fitting or even a good send off.  

[Cutlass Jack]

I completely refuse to buy a game that hasn't even been announced yet! I'm making a stand!

[Raging_Pulse]

christrek1982 wrote...

iakus wrote...

Codename_Code wrote...

The problem is that they did not close commander shepard story properly and now s/he is a lost soul that cant find the peacefull way out of our minds, and on top of that they want to disrespectfully revisit the ME universe.

I say no shepard no mass effect, or give me a proper closure, one worthy of the saga and the commander, if you dont want to do that then dont milk the cow with a spinoff, I dont want prequels, or your free to play MMO, I want Shepard to wake up and kick literal reaper ass, not metaphorical.

Absolutely this

I had no problem going from the Warden to Hawke in Dragon Age.  And reasonably content to go from Hawke to...whoever the next protagonist will be.  

But I cannot fathom how the end of ME3 was a proper sendoff for Shepard.

I am the same way I have no issue with moving on from shepard maybe even get the chance to play as somthing other than human (would love to play as an Asari) but shep did not get a fitting or even a good send off.  

Yeah, same here.

[robertthebard]

Cutlass Jack wrote...

I completely refuse to buy a game that hasn't even been announced yet! I'm making a stand!

+1.

[Chris Priestly]

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