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Ban Wave 5 - Oct 19th, 2012


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gw2005 wrote...

Yea, sure, whatever. On a practical scale, people who have actually read, understood, and kept the ToU in mind the whole time they're playing the game is statistically non-existant.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignorantia_juris_non_excusat

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I kinda hope the guy I reported 3 times already is now finally banned. (R.I.P. Avenger X with the godlike fire rate.)

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Saltyballz81 wrote...

Had a glitcher(i think?) in a game yesterday . 3 of us in game, i joined about wave 3 or 4, could have sworn there was a 4th person in there too?!!

Kept getting assists on kills at a spawn point when the 2 other ppl where on the other side of the map tackling the other spawn point? Seen the occasional BP appear out of thin air beside me, was weird. A bit creepy too tbh. :/

As i said, 3ppl in game right up to (partial) extraction, all 3 'visible' players in circle, so i'm not sure if i was seeing things or the glitcher left b4 or wasnt paying attention at the end. But something or someone was blocking the 4th player slot?

My question is this, i joined with some serious consumables that i didn't want to waste (phasic 3, etc), so once extraction was complete , i left immediately. Does this make me guilty by association? I was not cheating (dont know how and wouldn't if i did) and as i said above, i might have been seeing things. Couldn't see their name so cant report them obviousl

Anyone ever seen this?


For some unknown reason, people will sometimes be invisible to other players during games.  I think it has something to do with lag/latency between the host and the other players.  They will be in the lobby before/after the game and can usually still communicate via mics with the rest of the party.  To my knowledge, that's not a "reportable glitch," since it's the result of a bad internet connection and buggy software.  It's not something you can intentionally do.

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Scam_poo wrote...

I kinda hope the guy I reported 3 times already is now finally banned. (R.I.P. Avenger X with the godlike fire rate.)


He wasn't a playing a character with a power specced for rate of fire, was he?

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I have no idea how to make these glitches happen let alone exploite them. I had one happen to me were I was being thrashed by geth (bommers, pyros and hunters) on FB White (at the top of the LZ were they open the back corner) so I started franticly trying to get away, keep hit all kinds of buttons, screen kind of went dark for a second and ended up at the LZ, no idea how it happened. My characters, weapons, credit usage, and amount of time I have invested in playing MP shows I don't exploit glitches. Cheater make it so crappy for the legit players. If a glitch happens, fine s&#t happens. But if you exploit it to get stuff i've been waiting forever for, that's like the a-hole that cuts in line for a rollercoaster, well see ya wouldn't want to be ya, happy trails and good riddens, don't let the screen door hit ya in the a** on the way out.
keep the leader boards for those who deserve it
please, keep it up BW
on another note: I don't think I should be personally responsible for reporting glitches BW should monitor their own site. I bought this game to turn it on and have fun, not be some kind of cyber-police or narc

Modifié par Capt. Pancake, 21 octobre 2012 - 04:22 .


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PoetryAvenger wrote...

CronicleChicken wrote...

AdrynBliss wrote...

jerrmy12 wrote...

o btw, way to make the playerbase smaller, and don't give me "they cheated" crap, people only glitch bc how ****Ed up the store is.


there's a sharp knife in my kitchen that means i have to go stab people......um no, these people, and i'm guessing yourself, knew the action they took was against the rules, the spirit of the game and morally wrong and they did it anyway, they made a concious choice to cheat and are now being punished for it.


Sharp knife what? It doesn't compare. People steal food only because they are starving and don't have any money to buy any is closer to what he is saying than that sharp knife thing... I don't know what you were thinking there...


Except that a hypothetical cheater isn't going to die just because they don't receive the items they wanted and/or they get banned from a game. If you're going to jump on someone for using a gross hyperbole, don't attempt to one-up them in your reply.


What compelled you to comment? Hmm? People don't die, yes but that's not what I was comparing, was it? The drive to do what is right or wrong is my comparison here and somewhere in this mess you proved that by commenting.

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Aloren wrote...

CronicleChicken wrote...
We deserve a decent mp

Just saying...


It is decent though... either way, if you think it's not or think you have to cheat ot make it decent, why would you even play it ?


First of all, I don't cheat. Second, it is not decent. Third, if it were decent then why do we have three or four patches that say "fixed the infinite Missile Launcher exploit" or "this fixes an infinite Missle Launcher exploit."? They still haven't fixed enemies shooting when they are not supposed to and enemies that have been cheating. Well, I guess they don't cheat, they only do what they are programmed  to do. I guess that makes it all right.

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Oz not Ozzy wrote...

gw2005 wrote...

Yea, sure, whatever. On a practical scale, people who have actually read, understood, and kept the ToU in mind the whole time they're playing the game is statistically non-existant.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignorantia_juris_non_excusat


How long did it take you to look that up? Anyhow, you're assuming these terms of agreement are laws, and specifically, common law. As in non-english based legal system this concept is entirely based on interpretation. Even in common law, the wether or not foreknowledge of a law broken exists can make a difference in the actual sentencing.

Obviously, there are things that are exempt from this, stealing for exemple is an obvious one, but say using your company's money for a certain purpose that was not explicitly forbidden would be judged very differently.

Thus, perma ban every single case without warning, explaination, or possiblity of lifting such a ban, is stupid, unfair to players banned, and detrimental to everyone's gaming experience. Your argument is invalid.

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k1ngl1ves wrote...

OperatingWookie wrote...

k1ngl1ves wrote...

Why is the N7 #1 in the world still there(XBOX)? I personally sent an email with pics about him. I am starting to wonder if these ban waves are really just bullsh*t. I'm sure there were others that turned him in. No one climbs rank as fast as he did.


Unless, of course, it's a shared account being played 24/7...



Could be.  A team of glitchers on one account.  Like I said, I was in a game with him.  He's a pro glitcher.  He knows the spawns and kills everything before anyone had a chance!  I've been watching him on the list. He was jumping thousands in N7 a day!  I sent in pics, but he's still there...


Knowing spawns and killing things in them is efficient play, not glitching.

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invincible vorcha wow I havent even herd of these cheats. oh well 731 less people to ruin the game and most peoples ranks go up. Sounds like a win to me

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CronicleChicken wrote...

ProtheanN7 wrote...

they deserve it


We deserve a decent mp

Just saying...


I'm confused, are you saying Mass Effect 3 isn't a decent multiplayer?  If so, I'd have to disagree.  It's one of the best  multiplayers I've ever played and it's free.  A lot of people are getting a sense of entitlement even though they haven't paid anything for these additional DLCs. 

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CronicleChicken wrote...

Aloren wrote...

CronicleChicken wrote...
We deserve a decent mp

Just saying...


It is decent though... either way, if you think it's not or think you have to cheat ot make it decent, why would you even play it ?


First of all, I don't cheat. Second, it is not decent. Third, if it were decent then why do we have three or four patches that say "fixed the infinite Missile Launcher exploit" or "this fixes an infinite Missle Launcher exploit."? They still haven't fixed enemies shooting when they are not supposed to and enemies that have been cheating. Well, I guess they don't cheat, they only do what they are programmed  to do. I guess that makes it all right.


You never answered the previous poster's question.  Why do you even play it?  Why would you go onto a board for fans of a game and directly tell everyone how you don't like it?  Seems like a waste of time to me.  I get that not everything is perfect about the game but I can't say that about any game.  

BioWare has done a commendable job communicating specifics to fans of the game and they are under no obligation to do so.  People like you make the developers not want to post here because you're just negative.  You're ruining this board for everyone else that enjoys it.  Sound familiar??? You're the missile glitcher equivalent on this board and have become the very thing you're complaining about. 

Modifié par Bro Namath1, 21 octobre 2012 - 07:21 .


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"BioWare has done a commendable job communicating specifics to fans of the game and they are under no obligation to do so."

no obligation except those imposed by EA and their shareholders that is. So much for fan support. Rather than call it electronic arts, they should call it electronic commodities.

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k1ngl1ves wrote...

Why is the N7 #1 in the world still there(XBOX)? I personally sent an email with pics about him. I am starting to wonder if these ban waves are really just bullsh*t. I'm sure there were others that turned him in. No one climbs rank as fast as he did.


i too sent in an email with pics for that same person, filled an xbox live complaint too just to make sure and he is still there which is sad... very sad

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gw2005 wrote...

Oz not Ozzy wrote...

gw2005 wrote...

Yea, sure, whatever. On a practical scale, people who have actually read, understood, and kept the ToU in mind the whole time they're playing the game is statistically non-existant.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignorantia_juris_non_excusat


How long did it take you to look that up? Anyhow, you're assuming these terms of agreement are laws, and specifically, common law. As in non-english based legal system this concept is entirely based on interpretation. Even in common law, the wether or not foreknowledge of a law broken exists can make a difference in the actual sentencing.

Obviously, there are things that are exempt from this, stealing for exemple is an obvious one, but say using your company's money for a certain purpose that was not explicitly forbidden would be judged very differently.

Thus, perma ban every single case without warning, explaination, or possiblity of lifting such a ban, is stupid, unfair to players banned, and detrimental to everyone's gaming experience. Your argument is invalid.


No I'm assuming (quite rightly) that these terms and conditions form a legally binding contract between EA (the service provider) and each and every player.

By agreeing to the terms and conditions before we play, which every single one of us has to, (whether we read them or not) we are giving EA and/or Bioware the legal right to ban us should we choose to abuse any exploit in the game to our advantage.

So, your argument is invalid.

Oh... and FYI... it took me 2 seconds to find that wiki page... and the only reason I needed to even look it up at all was because I couldn't remember if the Latin for ignorance was 'Ignorantia' or 'Ignoratia' off the top of my head.

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Uelas are not legally binding but since arbitration is a industry run system you are screwed no matter what note I do not condone exploitation of any kind and those that exploit should be punished accordingly

What I would do make it case by case so that it is fair.

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[quote]k1ngl1ves wrote...

Could be.  A team of glitchers on one account.  Like I said, I was in a game with him.  He's a pro glitcher.  He knows the spawns and kills everything before anyone had a chance!  I've been watching him on the list. He was jumping thousands in N7 a day!  I sent in pics, but he's still there...

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Knowing spawns and killing things in them is efficient play, not glitching.

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@Dethishere: Perhaps I wasn't being clear.  He was nuking spawn points with a Striker that was shooting MISSILES.  He was very 
efficient and proficient at it too... hence the Pro Glitcher label that I have given him.  Rushing spawn points is a smart way to play.  Missile glitching to nuke spawns would be cheating. 

Modifié par k1ngl1ves, 21 octobre 2012 - 11:06 .


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Oz not Ozzy wrote...

No I'm assuming (quite rightly) that these terms and conditions form a legally binding contract between EA (the service provider) and each and every player.

By agreeing to the terms and conditions before we play, which every single one of us has to, (whether we read them or not) we are giving EA and/or Bioware the legal right to ban us should we choose to abuse any exploit in the game to our advantage.

So, your argument is invalid.

Oh... and FYI... it took me 2 seconds to find that wiki page... and the only reason I needed to even look it up at all was because I couldn't remember if the Latin for ignorance was 'Ignorantia' or 'Ignoratia' off the top of my head.


"Whether we read them or not" If only a handful of poeple didn't read of the ToS and got owned by a company, that's those people's problem; if millions of people got owned for those same reasons, it makes ToS a faulty system.

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Jamofend wrote...

Thanks 731 less people to ruin the game.


731 less people to matchmake with.  Other players hardly ruin the game for others.

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k1ngl1ves wrote...


DeathIsHere wrote...

k1ngl1ves wrote...

Could be.  A team of glitchers on one account.  Like I said, I was in a game with him.  He's a pro glitcher.  He knows the spawns and kills everything before anyone had a chance!  I've been watching him on the list. He was jumping thousands in N7 a day!  I sent in pics, but he's still there...


Knowing spawns and killing things in them is efficient play, not glitching.


@Dethishere: Perhaps I wasn't being clear.  He was nuking spawn points with a Striker that was shooting MISSILES.  He was very 
efficient and proficient at it too... hence the Pro Glitcher label that I have given him.  Rushing spawn points is a smart way to play.  Missile glitching to nuke spawns would be cheating. 


So was he glitching the entire game or just at the start of a couple waves (nuking spawns on non-objective waves with legit missiles is smart play for speed runs or just general "let's get this **** done" play)? If he was glitching the entire time and you got pictures or whatever then sure. But if you're just goimg by the fact that he had a striker equipped and was nuking spawns, that's not a lot to go on.

Modifié par DeathIsHere, 22 octobre 2012 - 01:27 .


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interesting, if player bought a lot of packs for real money and someone who saw his X lvl N7 weaps will jelous and will report for him just because there are such ppl u know... What will happen?

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Good news, hope you guys looked into that report I sent in.

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@DeathIsHere: Missile Glitching the entire game. 3 of the 4 players(including me) only had about 6-8 thousand points. He had over 200,000. Don't remember the exact numbers. I can look at the pics again. Still have them. I've seen the glitch numerous times. I know what it looks like. I've been playing this mp from day 1. So if you are just trolling, you're not very good at it. Next time, try to appear more aggressive or maybe offend me slightly. That usually gets the ball rolling. Anyways, I'll just ignore your idiotic method of gameplay theories for now on.

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Mixon wrote...

interesting, if player bought a lot of packs for real money and someone who saw his X lvl N7 weaps will jelous and will report for him just because there are such ppl u know... What will happen?



Nothing. BW knows...:wizard:

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So BioWare still cares about cheaters at this point in time, but they take months to even put out patches.

I think they have their priorities wrong. You're supposed to actually try to fix the exploits instead of banning everyone that uses them. That seems counterproductive and it's making the MP community smaller and smaller, a luxury that ME3 doesn't really have compared to bigger titles like Call of Duty.