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[gw2005]

Siran wrote...

gw2005 wrote...

Yet it doesn't excuse the poor game mechanic. Yes there will always be cheaters, and I don't condone trolling matches by missile launcher kill everything in sight. At all. I don't blame the store for cheaters -- the cheaters do. And since bioware can't fix the glitch, then fix the store, or other aspects of the game they CAN fix. Like how the second most powerful sniper can only down two bars of shield on the geth prime -- in a silver game.

How do you propose to "fix" the missile glitch by changing something in the store? Those are two entirely different things. Should it give stuff for free? Because, as long as you have to have credits to buy stuff, people will try to get those credits "the easy way". Just beacuse someone got the Harrier he wanted won't stop him from glitching to get everything else. And most won't even stop although they already have a maxed manifest as is apparent when you looked at the N7HQ pages of many top players in the leaderboard before the last ban wave.

Regarding the Prime - so, your point is if you can't instantly kill it, glitch it? I usually deal decent damage with my sniper rifles on Gold.

I'm saying there's issue with it, not that it should be done away with entirely. Why are you taking everything to the extreme? Instakill geth prime? WHAT? No, but the widow is the second highest dmg/shot sniper rifle in the entire game.

[arduousRenegade]

Inb4 I get banned for asking this, but, what does it even matter?
Yes, they're abusing a glitch and modifying values, but what difference does it make?
ME3's multiplayer is a co-op game where you fight waves of AI enemies, not human ones.
Hell, everyone even reaps he rewards of winning the 10 rounds.
Literally no human player playing with one of these "cheaters" is at fault.
The best way, IMO, would have been to just patch it out, and make it to where you aren't able to use it anymore. Take FROM and Dark Souls, for example. Ever since launch, you could Twink low-level characters with powerful equipment by abusing a glitch using the "bank" of the game - the Bottomless Box. Instead of banning the players that did it, FROM just patched it out, and it's not a problem anymore, and they still have the fanbase that used the glitch, to boot.

I'm not telling you how to run a company, Bioware, but it just seems more logical to patch something out, instead of banning people for doing it, especially since it's a co-op multiplayer, and no one's at fault for them doing it.

[PureGeth]

Are the bans permanent for glitching? IE Missile or credit glitching?

[UWxMaserati]

arduousRenegade wrote...

Inb4 I get banned for asking this, but, what does it even matter?
Yes, they're abusing a glitch and modifying values, but what difference does it make?
ME3's multiplayer is a co-op game where you fight waves of AI enemies, not human ones.
Hell, everyone even reaps he rewards of winning the 10 rounds.
Literally no human player playing with one of these "cheaters" is at fault.
The best way, IMO, would have been to just patch it out, and make it to where you aren't able to use it anymore. Take FROM and Dark Souls, for example. Ever since launch, you could Twink low-level characters with powerful equipment by abusing a glitch using the "bank" of the game - the Bottomless Box. Instead of banning the players that did it, FROM just patched it out, and it's not a problem anymore, and they still have the fanbase that used the glitch, to boot.

I'm not telling you how to run a company, Bioware, but it just seems more logical to patch something out, instead of banning people for doing it, especially since it's a co-op multiplayer, and no one's at fault for them doing it.

Bioware takes it seriously because it steals money from them. A lot of people would actually spend real money on the packs so when people can now just glitch and save their real money and get free credits Bioware is the ones losing money.

You can also look at the big picture if you are a lover of the multiplayer this will cost us all if it doesn't get fixed. Bioware's multiplayer updates are all free but not because they are doing us a favor. By adding more content it keeps people playing and addicted as well as adds more stuff to unlock which keeps people spending real money. If Bioware stops making money off the packs they will ether have to stop updating multiplayer or start charging for multiplayer to pay all the people who have to create and maintain it.

In addition some people actually like the challenge of a good fight. They take pride in building their characters and using their weapons in stradegy to win. Glitching takes that away. You can be a level 1 character with a squirt gun and your still guarenteed a win with glitchers. No thrill just free credits. Kind of like if Bioware released a cheat code for a "God Mode" in single player where shepard was invinsible never taking damage and knew what the outcome of every situation option was. A lot of people wouldn't want to play that scripted game they would want the actual challenge.

I like buying PSPs but I honestly don't like going online with my limited game time just to sit in a corner or chase the dying enemies to no avail for 15 minutes while everyone else glitches.

[Uh Cold]

PureGeth wrote...

Are the bans permanent for glitching? IE Missile or credit glitching?

Stat reset is permanent.

[Empi3_ALK]

damn. never been in a match with a cheater. is there an achievement for that?

[Leonia]

I've got an odd question.. how can you determine if someone is using a third-party aim hack? Is that sort of thing bannable and how can you be sure someone is not "that good" but cheating? I just had a match with someone using a Valiant and staying in one position the whole time and not missing a single shot. I mean, yeah, I know some people who are really good with SRs but 100% accurate? This player was also clearly using other players to finish their game for them as they had a ridiculously high score and refused to leave their perch or do objectives but relied on others to cycle through their match to do the non-sniping for them. It just felt.. really off. Not sure if I could have reported something like that or not. This was on PC, btw.

[Eclispe]

What if they did not mean to glitch or exploit? 731 instead of banning them why don't punish them like stop credit earning or something banning them is a harsh punishment for getting a few 100,000 credits to get characters and guns online in my eyes i see it as a steep punishment. They did pay 42 quid for the game and then they get banned for an innocent non harmful act. in fact they made the game better by finding them so you can patch them.

[OblivionWitcher]

Sooooo sick of a few people ruining my match

[dueser76]

Easy fix... Dont cheat = No ban... simple really

[l7986]

^^silly batarian. Take your logic and get out...

[EricPhail]

What happened to the cheating compendium sticky thread that advised people on what you could be banned for?

[stromguard555]

I have noticed a glitch pertaining to husks and abominations. If you are grabbed by them and die in be process and don't continue hitting B to get them off you or A to extend your bleed out, the animation will follow through till the end and they will get off of you and you will automatically come back with one bar of health. Is this a bannable offense to let this happen with your character instead of ending the animation and waiting to be revived or use a medi-gel?

[XavierVN]

20 minutes ago I was playing with a guy named "Harry Barnes" and he was using the missile glitch, it was frustrating as hell

[XSpectreReconX]

Mendelevosa wrote...

jerrmy12 wrote...

PATHETIC
FIX YOUR DAMM STORE BEFORE ANY BANS ARE MADE!!!!
people only glitch bc how ****Ed up the store is.

So it's Bioware's fault that people cheat? Last I remember, Bioware doesn't hold a knife to anyone's throat forcing them to cheat.

And as frustrating as the store may be, it is not broken. Sure it could be more generous, but that is not an excuse for breaking the terms of use for this game. If their whole reason for playing the game was just to get items, then they shouldn't have been playing in the first place.

true but on the other hand after 360+ hours of gameplay you would have expected to be more than halfway done with ultra rares?  While a lot of people dont play for the items i doubt you can argue its bloody unfair to have nearly 400 hours in a game and still not have acess to its top teir of weapons?

And while i dont think screaming about the store in this thread really helps I have to admit I can definatley see where this guy is coming from, if something isnt done to sort out the UR drop rate from PSP's soon im going to be giving in to my instincts putting my disc back in its case where it will be left somwhere to quietly gather dust while i play games that do not for example require a year of completed challenge weekends and potentially purchase of PSP's to  unlock every N7 weapon and Ultra Rare at X

Modifié par XSpectreReconX, 27 octobre 2012 - 11:47 .

[stromguard555]

XSpectreReconX wrote...

Mendelevosa wrote...

jerrmy12 wrote...

PATHETIC
FIX YOUR DAMM STORE BEFORE ANY BANS ARE MADE!!!!
people only glitch bc how ****Ed up the store is.

So it's Bioware's fault that people cheat? Last I remember, Bioware doesn't hold a knife to anyone's throat forcing them to cheat.

And as frustrating as the store may be, it is not broken. Sure it could be more generous, but that is not an excuse for breaking the terms of use for this game. If their whole reason for playing the game was just to get items, then they shouldn't have been playing in the first place.

true but on the other hand after 360+ hours of gameplay you would have expected to be more than halfway done with ultra rares?  While a lot of people dont play for the items i doubt you can argue its bloody unfair to have nearly 400 hours in a game and still not have acess to its top teir of weapons?

And while i dont think screaming about the store in this thread really helps I have to admit I can definatley see where this guy is coming from, if something isnt done to sort out the UR drop rate from PSP's soon im going to be giving in to my instincts putting my disc back in its case where it will be left somwhere to quietly gather dust while i play games that do not for example require a year of completed challenge weekends and potentially purchase of PSP's to  unlock every N7 weapon and Ultra Rare at X

They could come out with a new pack worth 1.5 million credits or 800 microsoft points that has 5 guarenteed Ultra Rares in it, seeing as the max average the store gives out is 2 UR per million spent if your luck is good. And make it only unlockable after you have all the Gold level cards in MP. Even if not, the price tag would scare off all of the lower level players because they dont seem to know how to hold on to their credits after every match.

Modifié par stromguard555, 27 octobre 2012 - 03:37 .

[TehSodimizer]

And Bioware comes down hard with the ban hammer! finally....

[Savato93]

@stromguard555

A bit too extreme. How about an 80,000-credit pack that contains a single guaranteed UR, and nothing else?

Also, this may just be pure luck on my part, but I find that I have a higher chance of nabbing an UR immediately after I accomplish a full extraction.

Modifié par Savato93, 27 octobre 2012 - 09:41 .

[OmegaRex]

UWxMaserati wrote...



Bioware takes it seriously because it steals money from them. A lot of people would actually spend real money on the packs so when people can now just glitch and save their real money and get free credits Bioware is the ones losing money.

except this isn't even close to the truth.

if missile glitching wasn't possible people would either play legit or not play at all.

the idea that all of a sudden people would spend real money is ridiculous and just a poor excuse by EAware, and it shows where their priority is. Trying to milk customers for the most money possible.

the way I see it, those missile glitchers are just getting back all the credits we lose by disconnects and freezes, and EAwares insistence on not fixing it because they somehow think "hey who cares, hopefully they spend real money now"

[Oz not Ozzy]

stromguard555 wrote...

...seeing as the max average the store gives out is 2 UR per million spent if your luck is good.

Wow... I must have a rabbit's foot in one pocket and a four leaf clover in the other... seeing as though I got all the URs from the latest DLC with around 3 million credits spent in the store. (i.e Collector SMG X and all the appearance options on both Volus characters)

And no, it's not luck... that kind of UR drop rate is typical for me and has been for the past four or five months, since I adopted the spending system I now use.

[Uh Cold]

Oz not Ozzy wrote...

stromguard555 wrote...

...seeing as the max average the store gives out is 2 UR per million spent if your luck is good.

Wow... I must have a rabbit's foot in one pocket and a four leaf clover in the other... seeing as though I got all the URs from the latest DLC with around 3 million credits spent in the store. (i.e Collector SMG X and all the appearance options on both Volus characters)

And no, it's not luck... that kind of UR drop rate is typical for me and has been for the past four or five months, since I adopted the spending system I now use.

I averaged 1-2 URs a mil in PSPs after maxing my manifest and keeping track of how I bought packs as I did it.
Any more or less is luck and still averages at this.
The ratio is more like 1:10 really but yea 1-2 is a nice generalization.

Modifié par Uh Cold, 28 octobre 2012 - 12:42 .

[Whitehawk24]

BetrayerOfNihil wrote...

Verwuverhuven wrote...
LUL

What's funny about that? Quarter is mercy. So show no mercy, basically.

I read quartet not quarter.  The statement in reference to a 4 person musical performance is at least nonsensical.

[UWxMaserati]

OmegaRex wrote...

UWxMaserati wrote...



Bioware takes it seriously because it steals money from them. A lot of people would actually spend real money on the packs so when people can now just glitch and save their real money and get free credits Bioware is the ones losing money.

except this isn't even close to the truth.

if missile glitching wasn't possible people would either play legit or not play at all.

the idea that all of a sudden people would spend real money is ridiculous and just a poor excuse by EAware, and it shows where their priority is. Trying to milk customers for the most money possible.

the way I see it, those missile glitchers are just getting back all the credits we lose by disconnects and freezes, and EAwares insistence on not fixing it because they somehow think "hey who cares, hopefully they spend real money now"

You misread what I wrote or what I meant.

I was not talking future tense I was talking past tense. Bioware did in fact make a good chunk of real money off the store before the missle glitch was even around. Bioware loses money because some people who have spent real money in the store before are just using the glitch to save real money.

I have been very critical of EA and Bioware before for their embarrassing display of greed but this isn't greed. This is how the multiplayer works. Otherwise answer these for me...

1. Approx how much has it cost for Bioware to make each multiplayer DLC?
2. How does Bioware manage to release these DLC's for free when other companies are forced to charge fees for all multiplayer DLC?

Unless they know some ingenius business tactic and the store isn't how they make money then that means Biowares workers are doing this all for charity without pay and the head staffs are all saints who decided to give back to the community and release all of this for free. In which case Bioware should be given the award for most generous business of the year.

or...

Bioware makes real money off the store and releasing free DLC returns a profit by stimulating buzz and giving more to unlock. The more they have to unlock and the more people they have around the higher a percentage of people will give in to the cheap priced packs and spend a few bucks or a whole lot.

It would be foolish to assume a percentage of the missle glitchers doesn't include a decent chunk of those who spent real money

[Mightyg]

If Bioware's cash were the only thing at stake then no one would be posting in this thread. The fact is people cheating does affect people's experience/enjoyment of the game. Bioware has plenty incentive to protect the legitimate player base from cheater's bs as much as it does to make a profit. You can argue about their means of making a profit all you want, but acting like enforcing the rules of the game is just protecting their bottom line is unfair and drastically oversimplifies the issue.

[UWxMaserati]

Mightyg wrote...

If Bioware's cash were the only thing at stake then no one would be posting in this thread. The fact is people cheating does affect people's experience/enjoyment of the game. Bioware has plenty incentive to protect the legitimate player base from cheater's bs as much as it does to make a profit. You can argue about their means of making a profit all you want, but acting like enforcing the rules of the game is just protecting their bottom line is unfair and drastically oversimplifies the issue.

I am not 100% sure if this was in response to my post or not but if it
is my post was not on the entire picture it was one of the branches
coming off someone elses posts mainly to a remark that started, "I'm not
telling you how to run your business Bioware... but...." So I was just referring to
Bioware's side as a business then someone else responded basically saying Bioware isn't losing money. But both are relevant just not on the
topic I was on.