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[MushroomMagic]

I think people just are finding it so hip and trendy to bash EA that they're looking for any excuse to do so.   I think looking at how a great game like Mass Effect 3 gets universally condemned because of it's ending despite the fact that Bioware listened to fan feedback and provided clarification for the ending leads me to believe most Bioware fans like to think they're being victimized by a company that makes a living providing products that entertain people.

EA is not above criticism but I think the sheer level of hatred towards EA is so astronomical that the Bioware fan base has effectively closed their mind, refusing to even give anything a chance.  Rather like young Earth creationist have come to a conclusion first and now are looking for any justification they can find to support their pre-determined conclusion.

Frankly,  I think a lot of people will bash Dragon Age III just so they can give themselves an excuse to pirate the game.  They'll say it sucks and they're so glad they saved their money by pirating it first yet they'll play through the main campaign at least twice.  Maybe a small handful will end up buying it on steam but only once it's for sale for 5 dollars.

[Rawgrim]

I hope it ends up being the best crpg ever made. I doubt it will be, of course, but i am still having hopes.

As for EA getting hatred...its well deserved.

[MushroomMagic]

Rawgrim wrote...

I hope it ends up being the best crpg ever made. I doubt it will be, of course, but i am still having hopes.

As for EA getting hatred...its well deserved.

Dragon Age III still deserves a fair chance regardless of what people think of EA.  However, I do not think most fans will do that because they want Dragon Age III to suck because they want to see EA suffer not taking into consideration that it is Bioware who will suffer far worse.

[Gabey5]

EA has put out a lot of crap and killed many companies they acquired. ME3 was bad in comparison to its previous instalments, we have seen nothing of da3 to give anyone any confidence in it. DA2 was a wash and people are understandably worried that this franchise will not be able to bounce back from it. The Doctors leaving has not eased things for people either.

[Karlone123]

I love the Dragon Age series as do many other people, so I do not want to give the impression that I want it to suck.

[LobselVith8]

Some people read how the developers are following the same patterns as Dragon Age II for Inquisition - paraphrasing dialogue, auto-lines, the dialogue wheel, fixed companion armor, prohibiting the protagonist from being atheist - and they think it's a mistake. More than a few people disliked Dragon Age II. Some people also believe the developers are diverting the franchise from the appeal of Origins, which was made to appeal to old school fans.

[MushroomMagic]

Gabey5 wrote...

EA has put out a lot of crap and killed many companies they acquired. ME3 was bad in comparison to its previous instalments, we have seen nothing of da3 to give anyone any confidence in it. DA2 was a wash and people are understandably worried that this franchise will not be able to bounce back from it. The Doctors leaving has not eased things for people either.

Mass Effect 3 being inferior to it's previous installments is highly debateable but even still how does that reflect anything on Dragon Age III, a game that is being developed by a different team?  No doubt you have legitimate concerns because of Dragon Age II but don't you think the developers also share those concerns?
No doubt they've heard the mixed reception Dragon Age II received and have taken it into consideration.  The biggest issue with Dragon Age II was that it was rushed but Dragon Age III will have had 3 years of development by the time it's released so that's hardly an issue anymore.

[MushroomMagic]

We don't know anything about Dragon Age III other than it's name and the fact that it's going to be released likely as early as late 2013. Yet people are already declaring it sucks, this demonstrates why Bioware fans are some of the worst in the industry.

[Rawgrim]

Check out a company called Origin, and one called Westwood. Those were the Bioware of the 80s and early 90s. Got utterly destroyed by EA, and I am sure most people here know what Origin is now.

[MichaelStuart]

Like Dragon Age Origins and Dragon Age 2. Dragon Age 3 Inquisition will be enjoyable.
I can ask no more of any game.

[JellyBean28]

Personally, I'm excited for DA3 and I have high hopes for it. (but I actually liked DA2.)
I'm sure I'm not the only one who feels that way.

Modifié par JellyBean28, 20 octobre 2012 - 06:30 .

[The Elder King]

The fact that there are people who still didn't like the endings after the EC is because some people wanted an happy ending, because they didn't explain how Synthesis could be plausible, because the didn't like the presence of Starchild, because they didn't like how the Reapers are defeated. People have different opinion, and like different things.
About DA3, there are people who didn't like the action approach of DA2. Considering that DA3 will not return back completely to DAO (as far as I know they'll try to took something from DAO, but they'll not going to turn back from DA2) there are people who will not like the game regardless of his quality. If you don't like chocolate, you'll not like it despite the quality.
As for myself, I hope they'll make a good/great game. I'm interested in DA's world and I want to continue playing game about it.

[JerZey CJ]

MushroomMagic wrote...

I think people just are finding it so hip and trendy to bash EA that they're looking for any excuse to do so.   I think looking at how a great game like Mass Effect 3 gets universally condemned because of it's ending despite the fact that Bioware listened to fan feedback and provided clarification for the ending leads me to believe most Bioware fans like to think they're being victimized by a company that makes a living providing products that entertain people.

EA is not above criticism but I think the sheer level of hatred towards EA is so astronomical that the Bioware fan base has effectively closed their mind, refusing to even give anything a chance.  Rather like young Earth creationist have come to a conclusion first and now are looking for any justification they can find to support their pre-determined conclusion.

Frankly,  I think a lot of people will bash Dragon Age III just so they can give themselves an excuse to pirate the game.  They'll say it sucks and they're so glad they saved their money by pirating it first yet they'll play through the main campaign at least twice.  Maybe a small handful will end up buying it on steam but only once it's for sale for 5 dollars.

That's not what the fans wanted.

On topic: I've seen nothing but hope for DA3. This entire forum is trying to help BW recognize mistakes they've made and giving ideas to make DA3 a better game. I doubt any fan wants to see the game fail, but I think many will not be surprised if it does.

[Plaintiff]

Yes, I think a lot of people on this forum and elsewhere are rooting for DA3 to fail. But it's by no means a unique situation. Gamers in my experience are typically self-entitled ****s across the board, constantly abusing any game or comapny that doesn't fall completely in line with their precise taste. Especially the ones who label themselves as 'hardcore' or 'old school' (terms which cause me to roll my eyes so much that it makes me dizzy).

I think this image about covers it:



People generally, and gamers especially, would rather feel smugly satisfied than be pleasantly surprised, because the latter would require them to admit that they had ever been wrong about anything ever.

Modifié par Plaintiff, 20 octobre 2012 - 12:21 .

[Rawgrim]

I actually liked the ME3 ending. Allthough it was because I belived in the indoctrination theory (it fits!!!). Only thing I didn`t like about that game was the auto dialogue. DA2, I didn`t like. Allthough it did have some redeeming qualities too. The rest of the Bioware games I love.

Given that they are using a new engine for DA3, I suspect the game will look fantastic.

[JWvonGoethe]

Gabey5 wrote...

EA has put out a lot of crap and killed many companies they acquired. ME3 was bad in comparison to its previous instalments, we have seen nothing of da3 to give anyone any confidence in it. DA2 was a wash and people are understandably worried that this franchise will not be able to bounce back from it. The Doctors leaving has not eased things for people either.

(emphasis mine)

The highlighted phrase here is slightly unfair, considering that what we have seen so far of DA3 is precisely nothing at all.

Bioware have made many of my favourite games. They may have had a dip in quality of late, but I'm confident that they will step up to the plate with DA3 and deliver another classic. They are certainly more than capable of doing so, and I'm very much looking forward to DA3.

Modifié par JWvonGoethe, 20 octobre 2012 - 12:24 .

[MushroomMagic]

hhh89 wrote...

The fact that there are people who still didn't like the endings after the EC is because some people wanted an happy ending, because they didn't explain how Synthesis could be plausible, because the didn't like the presence of Starchild, because they didn't like how the Reapers are defeated. People have different opinion, and like different things.
About DA3, there are people who didn't like the action approach of DA2. Considering that DA3 will not return back completely to DAO (as far as I know they'll try to took something from DAO, but they'll not going to turn back from DA2) there are people who will not like the game regardless of his quality. If you don't like chocolate, you'll not like it despite the quality.
As for myself, I hope they'll make a good/great game. I'm interested in DA's world and I want to continue playing game about it.

I thought the extended cut was a happy ending.  Stopping the reapers required a sacrifice but the problem with the original ending was that the sacrifice was WAY WAY to high a price to pay.  A good parallel would be in Dragon Age:Origins.  Either you die to stop the Archdemon, your friend dies, or you bring an abomination into the world to stay alive.  Stopping a threat as large as the Reapers obviously required sacrifice but it was still satisfying.

[SpEcIaLRyAn]

I actually want DA3 o blow my mind. I want it to be good. Origins as you know set the bar very high for Story driven RPGs. DA2 didn't set the bar very high. Its natural that people be a bit skeptical about DA3. Most see it as Biowares last chance to redeem themselves. I know I am one of those people.

Although I must say I don't want the game to suck. But I know what you mean many people are being negative about the game when all we know is that the name of the game is called Dragon Age Inquisition and that Bioware taking an interest in fan feedback.

To me its Bioware's last chance to redeem themselves. I plan on pre ordering this game but holding off on getting it until a few days later. I wanna see user reviews before I spend my money on it.

[Khwarezm89]

It'll be best series in RPG history

[The Elder King]

LobselVith8 wrote...

Some people read how the developers are following the same patterns as Dragon Age II for Inquisition - paraphrasing dialogue, auto-lines, the dialogue wheel, fixed companion armor, prohibiting the protagonist from being atheist - and they think it's a mistake. More than a few people disliked Dragon Age II. Some people also believe the developers are diverting the franchise from the appeal of Origins, which was made to appeal to old school fans.

Do you mean auto-dialogue? DA2 wasn't that bad, expecially in comparison of ME3. Considering how bad it was in ME3, I'd be fine with DA2-level of auto-dialogue (though I'd prefer to have the least quantity of it).
About the companion's armor, the concept they shown seemed different from DA2. Companions would've acced to various armours (which will not exclusive for that companion) which will have a different look for every companion, based on certain condition (a warrior being as GW, a Seeker or a Templar). While we don't know if this approach will be present in the game, or how much armour every companions will have, I don't think the concept is bad. If a companion have access to every armours the PC can (although restricted to his class, which I don't like much), but with a different look from the PC's armour, I think it'd be great. I don't have a problem with companions having a distint look, if they have access to various armours and that armours look differently from each others.

[MushroomMagic]

I don't think Bioware should be blamed for Dragon Age II's shortcomings. There were a few things like the change in the art direction which I found a bit jarring but overwhelmingly Dragon Age II's shortcomings stemmed from the fact that the developers were not given enough time and resources. I don't care how talented a person is, you cannot expect them to deliver a quality product or service if they don't have the chronological/financial resources necessary to deliver. EA knows this too and they want Dragon Age to persist as a franchise so that is why I'm hoping they are no longer running Bioware as a sweat shop. The fact that the game is being given more time to develop is a good sign.

[JerZey CJ]

Islam Torres wrote...

It'll be best series in RPG history

No. DA:O was good, DA2 was meh, DA3, no clue. That does not make the "best RPG series in history". Baldurs Gate or TES would probably be considered "the best" RPG series.

[sharkboy421]

hhh89 wrote...

The fact that there are people who still didn't like the endings after the EC is because some people wanted an happy ending, because they didn't explain how Synthesis could be plausible, because the didn't like the presence of Starchild, because they didn't like how the Reapers are defeated. People have different opinion, and like different things.

About DA3, there are people who didn't like the action approach of DA2. Considering that DA3 will not return back completely to DAO (as far as I know they'll try to took something from DAO, but they'll not going to turn back from DA2) there are people who will not like the game regardless of his quality. If you don't like chocolate, you'll not like it despite the quality.
As for myself, I hope they'll make a good/great game. I'm interested in DA's world and I want to continue playing game about it.

Synthesis and Control in the EC are pretty damn happy, but I am still displeased with the endings for different reasons.

However as far as DA3 goes I am excited for it.  I enjoyed both DAO and DA2, though DA2 certainly had more than its share of flaws.  But seeing as we nothing about DA3 other than its name, a general release window and what engine it will use, its really hard to say anything about it.  I am certainly hopeful it will be good game but whether it can live up to the hype remains to be seen.

Also EA hate is usually deserved when they buy up 3rd party studios.  I like EA Sports and the BF series, but that type of schedule does not fit with single player rpgs, DA2 is a clear example of what happens when you try to rush a game like that.

[Rawgrim]

I think the "hate" comes from people being disapointed with the last 3 games Bioware has tossed out. Kotor was supposed to be a trilogy. Instead we got no ending to the story, and an mmo that takes place some hundred years after. Picture the reactions if this had happened to the DA franchise. No more Morrigan or Leliana etc. ME3 got it for the ending, and DA2 for alot of stuff. So lately there has been alot of whining on the boards. Some justified, some not. But its there nonetheless.

[The Elder King]

MushroomMagic wrote...

hhh89 wrote...

The fact that there are people who still didn't like the endings after the EC is because some people wanted an happy ending, because they didn't explain how Synthesis could be plausible, because the didn't like the presence of Starchild, because they didn't like how the Reapers are defeated. People have different opinion, and like different things.
About DA3, there are people who didn't like the action approach of DA2. Considering that DA3 will not return back completely to DAO (as far as I know they'll try to took something from DAO, but they'll not going to turn back from DA2) there are people who will not like the game regardless of his quality. If you don't like chocolate, you'll not like it despite the quality.
As for myself, I hope they'll make a good/great game. I'm interested in DA's world and I want to continue playing game about it.

I thought the extended cut was a happy ending.  Stopping the reapers required a sacrifice but the problem with the original ending was that the sacrifice was WAY WAY to high a price to pay.  A good parallel would be in Dragon Age:Origins.  Either you die to stop the Archdemon, your friend dies, or you bring an abomination into the world to stay alive.  Stopping a threat as large as the Reapers obviously required sacrifice but it was still satisfying.

ME3's endings are  definitelybittersweet. A bittersweet ending could be satisfyng (actually, they're my favourite type of endings). In DAO, US is definitely bittersweet, and DR could be considered bittersweet or happy depeding to how people see the fact that they made the DR and let Urthemiel be alive (I consider it bittersweet).