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[Nerevar-as]

SpEcIaLRyAn wrote...

I don't understand. They claim they listen to us but the majority of us say NO MULITIPPLAYER. If they were listening to us than they would say, "Hey you know what people really don't want multiplayer. Lets leave it out." They put in anyway. And now all the sudden ME3s multiplayer is critically acclaimed?!! When did this happen?!?!

I hope DA3 is amazing but honeslty its not looking good right now.

Maybe is like the MP in Specs Ops. There was tick in  the marketing sheet so they had to implement it.

If there´s multiplayer in DA3 and we see cut corners in the game (and we already have the race selection one), the ****storm is going to be spectacular.

[Rawgrim]

Here is something ironic. The multiplayer, will at least, let you play as a different race. Pretty sure of that.

[wsandista]

I want it to be horrible so I can spend my money on comics instead.

[BigGuy28]

I don't want it to but it's already obvious it's going to.

[Nerevar-as]

Rawgrim wrote...

Nerevar-as wrote...

Felya87 wrote...

and maybe they say that they listen to the fan...

I think are not the fan who want to see DA3 suck. I think is Bioware itself that want it to fail.

They do listen. They just ignore us.

I don´t see them as wanting the game to fail, but lately BW as a whole seem to be doing games with as little effort as possible, rather than going for a game as best as possible it´s trying to see with how little effort they can get a success. When so many other companies are doing the exact opposite, it shows. When even the story and characters, BW usual stronger point, also fails, then we are for rather average games for a company that gave as great ones.

I wouldn`t say they don`t put effort into it. Despite the ending, the Mass Effect looks and plays amazingly.. The third one never felt rushed either. Simplified and dumbed down, yes. But i could tell there was a tremendous amount of effort being poured into the production of it.

Yet most of our past choices ended up being a number. Excluding Geth and Genophage, every big choice we made resulted in a cop out. So no, I didn´t see that much effort by the writing team at least. I did like the gameplay however.

[Caiden012]

Rawgrim wrote...

Here is something ironic. The multiplayer, will at least, let you play as a different race. Pretty sure of that.

"So you know how a lot of you wanted race choices back? Well you are not getting them in singleplayer. But you can choose you're race in the multiplayer that none of you wanted in the game."

Irony at it's best.

Modifié par Caiden012, 21 octobre 2012 - 04:05 .

[Rawgrim]

Nerevar-as wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...

Nerevar-as wrote...

Felya87 wrote...

and maybe they say that they listen to the fan...

I think are not the fan who want to see DA3 suck. I think is Bioware itself that want it to fail.

They do listen. They just ignore us.

I don´t see them as wanting the game to fail, but lately BW as a whole seem to be doing games with as little effort as possible, rather than going for a game as best as possible it´s trying to see with how little effort they can get a success. When so many other companies are doing the exact opposite, it shows. When even the story and characters, BW usual stronger point, also fails, then we are for rather average games for a company that gave as great ones.

I wouldn`t say they don`t put effort into it. Despite the ending, the Mass Effect looks and plays amazingly.. The third one never felt rushed either. Simplified and dumbed down, yes. But i could tell there was a tremendous amount of effort being poured into the production of it.

Yet most of our past choices ended up being a number. Excluding Geth and Genophage, every big choice we made resulted in a cop out. So no, I didn´t see that much effort by the writing team at least. I did like the gameplay however.

Didnt they say me3 would have 16  endings based on choices from previous games?

[Felya87]

Rawgrim wrote...

Nerevar-as wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...

Nerevar-as wrote...

Felya87 wrote...

and maybe they say that they listen to the fan...

I think are not the fan who want to see DA3 suck. I think is Bioware itself that want it to fail.

They do listen. They just ignore us.

I don´t see them as wanting the game to fail, but lately BW as a whole seem to be doing games with as little effort as possible, rather than going for a game as best as possible it´s trying to see with how little effort they can get a success. When so many other companies are doing the exact opposite, it shows. When even the story and characters, BW usual stronger point, also fails, then we are for rather average games for a company that gave as great ones.

I wouldn`t say they don`t put effort into it. Despite the ending, the Mass Effect looks and plays amazingly.. The third one never felt rushed either. Simplified and dumbed down, yes. But i could tell there was a tremendous amount of effort being poured into the production of it.

Yet most of our past choices ended up being a number. Excluding Geth and Genophage, every big choice we made resulted in a cop out. So no, I didn´t see that much effort by the writing team at least. I did like the gameplay however.

Didnt they say me3 would have 16  endings based on choices from previous games?

they say there was not going to be an A B C ending too...

and that the MP was not going to influence the SP...

[jackofalltrades456]

Felya87 wrote...

Nerevar-as wrote...

Felya87 wrote...

and maybe they say that they listen to the fan...

I think are not the fan who want to see DA3 suck. I think is Bioware itself that want it to fail.

They do listen. They just ignore us.

I don´t see them as wanting the game to fail, but lately BW as a whole seem to be doing games with as little effort as possible, rather than going for a game as best as possible it´s trying to see with how little effort they can get a success. When so many other companies are doing the exact opposite, it shows. When even the story and characters, BW usual stronger point, also fails, then we are for rather average games for a company that gave as great ones.

that's the sad thing. I loved a lot of Bioware game and stories. I don't want to be uspet with it. but they do as you say.

they listen, but ignore us.

I think there is way too much ego for them to listen. Did anyone ever see that five stages of acceptance list that Gaider post all the time in the forums? Basically this gave me the image that Bioware believes we will always accept any direction they take with a game even if they add features they know the players will hate.

[Nerevar-as]

Rawgrim wrote...

Nerevar-as wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...

Nerevar-as wrote...

Felya87 wrote...

and maybe they say that they listen to the fan...

I think are not the fan who want to see DA3 suck. I think is Bioware itself that want it to fail.

They do listen. They just ignore us.

I don´t see them as wanting the game to fail, but lately BW as a whole seem to be doing games with as little effort as possible, rather than going for a game as best as possible it´s trying to see with how little effort they can get a success. When so many other companies are doing the exact opposite, it shows. When even the story and characters, BW usual stronger point, also fails, then we are for rather average games for a company that gave as great ones.

I wouldn`t say they don`t put effort into it. Despite the ending, the Mass Effect looks and plays amazingly.. The third one never felt rushed either. Simplified and dumbed down, yes. But i could tell there was a tremendous amount of effort being poured into the production of it.

Yet most of our past choices ended up being a number. Excluding Geth and Genophage, every big choice we made resulted in a cop out. So no, I didn´t see that much effort by the writing team at least. I did like the gameplay however.

Didnt they say me3 would have 16  endings based on choices from previous games?

They also said there would be a definite ending if we took the effort of doing everything. Although maybe they meant Synthesis.

[Rawgrim]

[/quote]

Didnt they say me3 would have 16  endings based on choices from previous games?

[/quote]

they say there was not going to be an A B C ending too...

and that the MP was not going to influence the SP...[/quote]

Didn`t that get fixed with a dlc?

[The Elder King]

Rawgrim wrote...

they say there was not going to be an A B C ending too...

and that the MP was not going to influence the SP...

Didn`t that get fixed with a dlc?

The EC fixed that, yes.

Modifié par hhh89, 21 octobre 2012 - 04:12 .

[Caiden012]

jackofalltrades456 wrote...

Felya87 wrote...

Nerevar-as wrote...

Felya87 wrote...

and maybe they say that they listen to the fan...

I think are not the fan who want to see DA3 suck. I think is Bioware itself that want it to fail.

They do listen. They just ignore us.

I don´t see them as wanting the game to fail, but lately BW as a whole seem to be doing games with as little effort as possible, rather than going for a game as best as possible it´s trying to see with how little effort they can get a success. When so many other companies are doing the exact opposite, it shows. When even the story and characters, BW usual stronger point, also fails, then we are for rather average games for a company that gave as great ones.

that's the sad thing. I loved a lot of Bioware game and stories. I don't want to be uspet with it. but they do as you say.

they listen, but ignore us.

I think there is way too much ego for them to listen. Did anyone ever see that five stages of acceptance list that Gaider post all the time in the forums? Basically this gave me the image that Bioware believes we will always accept any direction they take with a game even if they add features they know the players will hate.

Yeah well is anyone else get sick of the "We will make it better next time we promise" and then being completely let down by Biowares choices. I went to their Panel at PAX east 2012 and they said that players would get more choices and already it looks like we won't be able to make our own characters.

[zyntifox]

Caiden012 wrote...

The fact that Bioware closed the thread where we were talking about the loss of race selection just shows me that they would rather hide from fan conserns. They said it was because we were not being civil but we were just talking about our conserns cause most of us want this to be a game that fans of origins can be happy with. We didn't get that with DA2.

I agree on the closing on that thread was strange since the conversation was civil.

[Rawgrim]

Caiden012 wrote...

jackofalltrades456 wrote...

Felya87 wrote...

Nerevar-as wrote...

Felya87 wrote...

and maybe they say that they listen to the fan...

I think are not the fan who want to see DA3 suck. I think is Bioware itself that want it to fail.

They do listen. They just ignore us.

I don´t see them as wanting the game to fail, but lately BW as a whole seem to be doing games with as little effort as possible, rather than going for a game as best as possible it´s trying to see with how little effort they can get a success. When so many other companies are doing the exact opposite, it shows. When even the story and characters, BW usual stronger point, also fails, then we are for rather average games for a company that gave as great ones.

that's the sad thing. I loved a lot of Bioware game and stories. I don't want to be uspet with it. but they do as you say.

they listen, but ignore us.

I think there is way too much ego for them to listen. Did anyone ever see that five stages of acceptance list that Gaider post all the time in the forums? Basically this gave me the image that Bioware believes we will always accept any direction they take with a game even if they add features they know the players will hate.

Yeah well is anyone else get sick of the "We will make it better next time we promise" and then being completely let down by Biowares choices. I went to their Panel at PAX east 2012 and they said that players would get more choices and already it looks like we won't be able to make our own characters.

DA2 was supposed to have tons of choices too. Ones that influenced the story. They also said we would be bale to curstomize the companions, and that the DA2 game would span over a decade. Ended up having almost 0 choices, no influence over the story, no custimization, ab\\nd the story lasted for 7 years. Oddly enough nobody in Kirkwall moved or changed their clothes in 7 years either. DA2 was also going to have alot of tactics and such when it came to combat. I never had to use any tactics. Button mashing solved all ov it.

[Caiden012]

Rawgrim wrote...

Caiden012 wrote...

jackofalltrades456 wrote...

Felya87 wrote...

Nerevar-as wrote...

Felya87 wrote...

and maybe they say that they listen to the fan...

I think are not the fan who want to see DA3 suck. I think is Bioware itself that want it to fail.

They do listen. They just ignore us.

I don´t see them as wanting the game to fail, but lately BW as a whole seem to be doing games with as little effort as possible, rather than going for a game as best as possible it´s trying to see with how little effort they can get a success. When so many other companies are doing the exact opposite, it shows. When even the story and characters, BW usual stronger point, also fails, then we are for rather average games for a company that gave as great ones.

that's the sad thing. I loved a lot of Bioware game and stories. I don't want to be uspet with it. but they do as you say.

they listen, but ignore us.

I think there is way too much ego for them to listen. Did anyone ever see that five stages of acceptance list that Gaider post all the time in the forums? Basically this gave me the image that Bioware believes we will always accept any direction they take with a game even if they add features they know the players will hate.

Yeah well is anyone else get sick of the "We will make it better next time we promise" and then being completely let down by Biowares choices. I went to their Panel at PAX east 2012 and they said that players would get more choices and already it looks like we won't be able to make our own characters.

DA2 was supposed to have tons of choices too. Ones that influenced the story. They also said we would be bale to curstomize the companions, and that the DA2 game would span over a decade. Ended up having almost 0 choices, no influence over the story, no custimization, abnd the story lasted for 7 years. Oddly enough nobody in Kirkwall moved or changed their clothes in 7 years either. DA2 was also going to have alot of tactics and such when it came to combat. I never had to use any tactics. Button mashing solved all ov it.

I only played through DA2 once because once I beat the game I thought to myself "Well there really isn't anything I want to go back and do different and Hawke was pretty linear so I don't think I could give him any other personality that I like." So there was really no reason to go back and play again opossed to DA:O where I did many playthroughs and made many different choices. And when I died during a tough fight in Origins I would spend an hour looking through my tactics and getting ready for a second try. In DA2 I would just charge back in because all I had to do was button mash my way to victory.

Modifié par Caiden012, 21 octobre 2012 - 04:37 .

[Rawgrim]

I only played through DA2 once because once I beat the game I thought to myself "Well there really isn't anything I want to go back and do different and Hawke was pretty linear so I don't think I could give him any other personality that I like." So there was really no reason to go back and play again opossed to DA:O where I did many playthroughs and made many different choices. And when I died during a tough fight in Origins I would spend an hour looking through my tactics and getting ready for a second try. In DA2 I would just charge back in because all I had to do was button mash my way to victory.

[/quote]

I played through DA2 3 times. Guess what+ it was exactly the same each time, even though i tried to make different choices in all of the playthroughs. Playing as a female had zero impact on anything either. Everyone wanted to have sex with me not matter what the gender my PC was. The only noticable difference what that Bethany reffered to me as sister or brother.

[henkez3]

I really do not want it to suck. I will critize things I do not like in the game, of course, but no matter how critical I would come off as, I still do not want it to suck. I am in the camp of those who felt that DA2 was a legitimately good game. I will not go in to what was bad about it here, as it has been said so many times, but, it did some things bad.

What does worries me is that BioWare seems to have gone in the direction of "other stuff sells, so we'll do that stuff even if we don't really want to", perhaps at the behest of a certain big gaming company? It's happening to a lot of games recently. The Resident Evil franchise is a great example of this, the Elder Scrolls games are too.
What many developers seem to forget is that doing their own thing can still sell. Look at From Software and their "Souls" games, they are great examples of a studio wanting to do their own thing and still sell millions of copies. With the Souls games they've almost completly ignored what has happened in the TPSRPG genre the past decade or so and did what THEY thought would make a great game and they've found great success with them.

My point with this is: BioWare is (was?) also the kind of company I believe could do their own thing and still find great success, regardless what current trends in the industry tells them.

Modifié par henkez3, 21 octobre 2012 - 05:14 .

[unbentbuzzkill]

i don't want DA3 to bad, i once was one of the people who thought bioware could do no wrong i loved ME1 &2 NWN DA:O and the witcher, but then came DA2 i just shook it off saying it was just one game, then ME3 which truthfully i loved intill i realized the stupid galaxy map was tied directly to the sp and is basicly pointless, and the endings suck, I pray for bioware to return to it's former glory because to me there is a serious disconnect between bioware and it's fans.

[Rawgrim]

Bioware didn`t make The Witcher.

[Farbautisonn]

nightscrawl wrote...
So I've gotta ask, based on a comment like this, will you even be happy if the next game does well?

Id be happy for bioware and the fans that are as stallwart a whiteknight as I used to be, sure. But Id need this game and the next 2 be near flawless to the point of making LotR seem feeble, if I were to shop for another Bioware product after DA2, the bazaar, the promises, the "we are listening" promo bits, the "Deception debacle" and then ME3 and especially the pressreleases from the leadership which utterly broke any faith I have in Bioware delivering anything but a halfarsed product.

So. Chances are Ill not be shopping for another Bioware product. DA2 and later ME3 proved that I really cant trust them to deliver. And in this business and most business the reputation you have is only as good as your last product.

[JeeWeeJ]

I certainly do not want DA3 to suck! I hope it restores Bioware's place at the top of the RPG market! But with the change of direction taken with DA2, the way ME3 ended (and how the backlash was handled) and how MP influenced SPand the leaving of many high-profile figures from BW made me lose faith in Bioware. One could speculate about EA's influence etc etc. But, as a consumer, i don't really care about that. I just want good games from a company i "trust".

I used to buy Bioware games blind, but DA2 burned me bad and ME3's last hour severely dissapointed me (no, i was fine with Shep dying, but the whole god-child deus-ex-machina...bah..) so i will be VERY careful before giving my money to BW again.

Which makes me sad thinking about it.

[ashwind]

MushroomMagic wrote...
Frankly,  I think a lot of people will bash Dragon Age III just so they can give themselves an excuse to pirate the game.  They'll say it sucks and they're so glad they saved their money by pirating it first yet they'll play through the main campaign at least twice.  Maybe a small handful will end up buying it on steam but only once it's for sale for 5 dollars.

 I doubt it will be available on steam.

As for ME3, if Bioware did the EC in the first place and stick to their promises OR do not promise things in the first place, there would  not be so many berserked and furious fans.

Most fans would agree that ME3 is great until the last 10 minutes, and that is exactly the problem; Bioware dropped the ball at the very last moment.  

Anyways, I am still looking forward to DA3 and I hope that Bioware learn from their pass mistakes. Pay a lot more attention to details and oh yeah, spend more time on the ending.

[JeeWeeJ]

ashwind wrote...
As for ME3, if Bioware did the EC in the first place and stick to their promises OR do not promise things in the first place, there would  not be so many berserked and furious fans.

Most fans would agree that ME3 is great until the last 10 minutes, and that is exactly the problem; Bioware dropped the ball at the very last moment.  

Indeed. The same could be said for DA2, if that wasn't called the sequel to Origins the whole riot about it's 180 degree turn on things probably wouldn't have happened.

[Caiden012]

Another thread was just locked. Come on Bio. We are just concerned fans that want to talk about a series that we enjoy.