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[AlanC9]

PinkysPain wrote...
I disagree with the writers on whether grim dark story telling is entertaining ... I want classical heroic and epic storytelling.

classical heroic ain't actually all that far from grimdark. Except Greek mythology, which is grimdark plus silly and pointless, often enough.

Modifié par AlanC9, 22 octobre 2012 - 07:27 .

[PinkysPain]

Sorry, my mistake ... I meant classical in the context of Bioware games ... ie. how they used to write games.

[DreamwareStudio]

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

google_calasade wrote...

I don't want it to suck, but neither will I be buying it based on what I've read and learned. The use of Frostbite is encouraging and discouraging at the same time. Better aesthetics, but Frostbite isn't a RPG engine, either, which tells me that unless it's modified, DA III will be more action based than DA II. Inquisition? Who didn't see this coming? More templars and mages. The conflict between them holds little interest for me. If the story were fresh, maybe, maybe I would be interested, though I'm pretty sure they lost me on the Dragon Age series with the travesty that was DA II.

This combined with the news we have today (no race selection), I think we're both in the same boat.

EA doesn't get it. They never have when it comes to role playing. RPG is about choices. That is one of the reasons DA:O was such a success and DA 2 was not. Some companies on some games can get away with locking its players into a fixed protagonist or race. Bioware used to be one of those companies, but they are not anymore after DA 2. In order to reverse the damage they did with DA 2 they should be opening up the floodgates with DA 3 in regards to RPG. They are (it seems) doing the opposite. DA 3 might not only be the deathknell for the DA IP; it may well spell the end for Bioware as a department or worthy label (note they have NOT been a company since 2007).

[Perlicka]

da3 is perfect way how to correct bad reputation (da2, me3 ending) or finaly destroy it and I hope even eaware can see that
I believe that da3 won't be bad because of it (and yes I am little naive)

[ianvillan]

Perlicka wrote...

da3 is perfect way how to correct bad reputation (da2, me3 ending) or finaly destroy it and I hope even eaware can see that
I believe that da3 won't be bad because of it (and yes I am little naive)

But what does EA care about more reputation or profit?

[DreamwareStudio]

unbentbuzzkill wrote...

i don't want DA3 to bad, i once was one of the people who thought bioware could do no wrong i loved ME1 &2 NWN DA:O and the witcher, but then came DA2 i just shook it off saying it was just one game, then ME3 which truthfully i loved intill i realized the stupid galaxy map was tied directly to the sp and is basicly pointless, and the endings suck, I pray for bioware to return to it's former glory because to me there is a serious disconnect between bioware and it's fans.

CD Projekt made the Witcher games. Though in the Witcher the protaganist is locked as Geralt, they both featured choices that mattered and offered some replay (this is especially true in the Witcher 2 because of the sixteen different endings). Both are excellent games and I very much look forward to the third.

[Perlicka]

ianvillan wrote...

Perlicka wrote...

da3 is perfect way how to correct bad reputation (da2, me3 ending) or finaly destroy it and I hope even eaware can see that
I believe that da3 won't be bad because of it (and yes I am little naive)

But what does EA care about more reputation or profit?

better reputation => better profit
I don't think that I am the only one who's not sure about preordering because i was dissapointed with something, with da2 i waited for the game being cheaper , that means less money for ea
(and/or not spending money on dlc and such)

Modifié par Perlicka, 22 octobre 2012 - 02:57 .

[DreamwareStudio]

Nerevar-as wrote...

Allan Schumacher wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

Caiden they might be thinking: out of sight, out of mind. It seems the developers don't want us to discuss the lack of atheist and racial options in Dragon Age, considering how they close the threads even when people are addressing their options without turning the discussion into a bitter feud. I didn't see any reason for the racial thread to be closed when people were civilly addressing their opinions on the matter. It's starting to become ridiculous.

If you have greivances with my moderating, send me a PM and state your case, instead of showing Sid Meier that he's right that gamers are paranoid.

What I see are people being petulant towards one another in a way that is poison to the community.  The most recent one wasn't just "I want multiple races" but was then used as evidence that "BioWare isn't listening" and when counterarguments were presented, suddenly it was turning into "race selection is THE MOST IMPORTANT THING of all bioware games" and nevermind the "DA2 didn't have race selection and look how poorly it did."

This isn't civil discussion.


Having said that, your concern has been noted.

Well, so far you´ve only shown things that point to no listening, and answered concerns with a polite version of "suck it up" (apologies if these sounds more offensive in English than in my language). It doesn´t help that most changes from Origins have amounted to cutting corners. I think RPG players want more choices and expanded gameplay features in successive games, not less of everything. It wouldn´t have been a problem if Origins had only included the HM PC, but it showed you could tell the same story from different characters POVs, and despite not making as much difference as could have, in places I would act differently depending on who my character was (ie: no way my City Elf will forgive Loghain). So instead of improving a promising new feature, you removed it for no valid reason for DA2. And now here we go again. And we are also worried because we haven´t forgotten all the reassurances and promises for DA2, most of  which didn´t deliver IMHO:

I haven't been active in the forums for a bit, so I can't agree/disagree about threads being locked. I do, however, agree with everything else in the above about how each of DA's games offer less.

[ianvillan]

Perlicka wrote...

ianvillan wrote...

Perlicka wrote...

da3 is perfect way how to correct bad reputation (da2, me3 ending) or finaly destroy it and I hope even eaware can see that
I believe that da3 won't be bad because of it (and yes I am little naive)

But what does EA care about more reputation or profit?

better reputation => better profit
I don't think that I am the only one who's not sure about preordering because i was dissapointed with something, with da2 i waited for the game being cheaper , that means less money for ea
(and/or not spending money on dlc and such)

In the long term yes but EA believes making a game like Origins will mean less profits in the short term and that is the main consideration.

[DreamwareStudio]

Vicious wrote...

People need to stop projecting their beliefs onto their characters. Does the Maker exist? No probably not. Would Hawke or the Warden believe in the Maker? Or an Elven Warden in Dalish gods? Or a Dwarf Warden in the stone and their ancestors? In a world with magic and all kinds of things that can't be explained?

They have no reason NOT to believe.

If a player cannot mold the PC, the player feels like it is not their own...ala Hawke.

[DreamwareStudio]

Jorina Leto wrote...

Vicious wrote...


They have no reason NOT to believe.

Morrigan thinks otherwise.

<3

[Brohammed]

I REALLY want this game to be good, but every scrap of information I have heard about the design direction has put me off completely.

Just because everyone(the few who are left) is jaded and skeptical doesn't mean that people want it to fail.

[LinksOcarina]

google_calasade wrote...

Vicious wrote...

People need to stop projecting their beliefs onto their characters. Does the Maker exist? No probably not. Would Hawke or the Warden believe in the Maker? Or an Elven Warden in Dalish gods? Or a Dwarf Warden in the stone and their ancestors? In a world with magic and all kinds of things that can't be explained?

They have no reason NOT to believe.

If a player cannot mold the PC, the player feels like it is not their own...ala Hawke.

That is not the crux of role-playing, if it was than RPGs back in the early 1990's would never have found their niche popularity they do today, and some of the best ones ever made are still light RPGs with fixed protagonists, like Chrono Trigger for example.

Molding the player or not is usually irrelevent to the design of the game; in this regard Hawke was perfect, the problem was the hybrid design that was against what we saw in Origins didn't fully mesh at times. We shall see if their promises for backgrounds changes that a bit, which I think it will since it will give player characters the flavor it needs again.