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[SpEcIaLRyAn]

MushroomMagic wrote...

I don't think Bioware should be blamed for Dragon Age II's shortcomings. There were a few things like the change in the art direction which I found a bit jarring but overwhelmingly Dragon Age II's shortcomings stemmed from the fact that the developers were not given enough time and resources. I don't care how talented a person is, you cannot expect them to deliver a quality product or service if they don't have the chronological/financial resources necessary to deliver. EA knows this too and they want Dragon Age to persist as a franchise so that is why I'm hoping they are no longer running Bioware as a sweat shop. The fact that the game is being given more time to develop is a good sign.

I agree. The DA2 development cycle was a year and a half. Which is completely ridiculous giventhat Origins had a 5-7 year development cycle and was a complete Gem. EA wants Bioware to keep making them millions of dollars. And when Bioware is dead because of what they did to Bioware they will just go out and find another cash cow.

[MushroomMagic]

The Ultimate Sacrifice ending in Dragon Age:Origins was incredibly satisfying. I mean the way I see it is we all have to die eventually so who wouldn't want to die like that? Even though your warden dies I actually thought it was the happiest ending because your actions essentially immortalized your character.
Seeing all the people you met gathered at your funeral honoring you as a hero made it all the more satisfying.

[The Elder King]

sharkboy421 wrote...



Synthesis and Control in the EC are pretty damn happy, but I am still displeased with the endings for different reasons.

I consider both of them bittersweet, though Synthesis is more "happier" than Control.

[SpEcIaLRyAn]

MushroomMagic wrote...

The Ultimate Sacrifice ending in Dragon Age:Origins was incredibly satisfying. I mean the way I see it is we all have to die eventually so who wouldn't want to die like that? Even though your warden dies I actually thought it was the happiest ending because your actions essentially immortalized your character.
Seeing all the people you met gathered at your funeral honoring you as a hero made it all the more satisfying.

Thats actually a great example of how an ending to a game can be a bit sad and bittwerseet but incredibly satisfying.

[MushroomMagic]

SpEcIaLRyAn wrote...

MushroomMagic wrote...

I don't think Bioware should be blamed for Dragon Age II's shortcomings. There were a few things like the change in the art direction which I found a bit jarring but overwhelmingly Dragon Age II's shortcomings stemmed from the fact that the developers were not given enough time and resources. I don't care how talented a person is, you cannot expect them to deliver a quality product or service if they don't have the chronological/financial resources necessary to deliver. EA knows this too and they want Dragon Age to persist as a franchise so that is why I'm hoping they are no longer running Bioware as a sweat shop. The fact that the game is being given more time to develop is a good sign.

I agree. The DA2 development cycle was a year and a half. Which is completely ridiculous giventhat Origins had a 5-7 year development cycle and was a complete Gem. EA wants Bioware to keep making them millions of dollars. And when Bioware is dead because of what they did to Bioware they will just go out and find another cash cow.

Yeah, and it's not like Bioware is completely incapable of delievering a quality game under EA's management.  Just look at Mass Effect 2, one of the best games ever made that's loved by just about everyone sans a few neckbearded virgins who get enjoyment out of menu micromanagement for identical looking guns and armor.

[The Elder King]

MushroomMagic wrote...

The Ultimate Sacrifice ending in Dragon Age:Origins was incredibly satisfying. I mean the way I see it is we all have to die eventually so who wouldn't want to die like that? Even though your warden dies I actually thought it was the happiest ending because your actions essentially immortalized your character.
Seeing all the people you met gathered at your funeral honoring you as a hero made it all the more satisfying.

I agree, it was satisfying. But satisfying ending =/= happy ending. I find some tragic endings satisfying too. In the end, it depends (at least for me) from the quality of the ending, not the type.

[Rawgrim]

MushroomMagic wrote...

SpEcIaLRyAn wrote...

MushroomMagic wrote...

I don't think Bioware should be blamed for Dragon Age II's shortcomings. There were a few things like the change in the art direction which I found a bit jarring but overwhelmingly Dragon Age II's shortcomings stemmed from the fact that the developers were not given enough time and resources. I don't care how talented a person is, you cannot expect them to deliver a quality product or service if they don't have the chronological/financial resources necessary to deliver. EA knows this too and they want Dragon Age to persist as a franchise so that is why I'm hoping they are no longer running Bioware as a sweat shop. The fact that the game is being given more time to develop is a good sign.

I agree. The DA2 development cycle was a year and a half. Which is completely ridiculous giventhat Origins had a 5-7 year development cycle and was a complete Gem. EA wants Bioware to keep making them millions of dollars. And when Bioware is dead because of what they did to Bioware they will just go out and find another cash cow.

Yeah, and it's not like Bioware is completely incapable of delievering a quality game under EA's management.  Just look at Mass Effect 2, one of the best games ever made that's loved by just about everyone sans a few neckbearded virgins who get enjoyment out of menu micromanagement for identical looking guns and armor.

ME2 was great, yes. Allthough i would be hard pressed to call it an rpg. More like a shooter with dialogue.

[MushroomMagic]

hhh89 wrote...

sharkboy421 wrote...



Synthesis and Control in the EC are pretty damn happy, but I am still displeased with the endings for different reasons.

I consider both of them bittersweet, though Synthesis is more "happier" than Control.

That was what was so great about the Extended cut.  What you think is best really is up to your interpretation so there really is no happiest ending.  Personally I prefer the destroy ending but I have heard the rationalizations behind the other endings and I can see where people are coming from.

[SpEcIaLRyAn]

MushroomMagic wrote...

SpEcIaLRyAn wrote...

MushroomMagic wrote...

I don't think Bioware should be blamed for Dragon Age II's shortcomings. There were a few things like the change in the art direction which I found a bit jarring but overwhelmingly Dragon Age II's shortcomings stemmed from the fact that the developers were not given enough time and resources. I don't care how talented a person is, you cannot expect them to deliver a quality product or service if they don't have the chronological/financial resources necessary to deliver. EA knows this too and they want Dragon Age to persist as a franchise so that is why I'm hoping they are no longer running Bioware as a sweat shop. The fact that the game is being given more time to develop is a good sign.

I agree. The DA2 development cycle was a year and a half. Which is completely ridiculous giventhat Origins had a 5-7 year development cycle and was a complete Gem. EA wants Bioware to keep making them millions of dollars. And when Bioware is dead because of what they did to Bioware they will just go out and find another cash cow.

Yeah, and it's not like Bioware is completely incapable of delievering a quality game under EA's management.  Just look at Mass Effect 2, one of the best games ever made that's loved by just about everyone sans a few neckbearded virgins who get enjoyment out of menu micromanagement for identical looking guns and armor.

It definetly is EA. Mass Effect 2 was the first released under EA and it was already in the making so it came out great. I actually believe Mass Effect 2 to be the best in the trilogy. With DA3 think they can deliver a quality game. It justs takes time and and open ear to listen to our feedback.

Modifié par SpEcIaLRyAn, 20 octobre 2012 - 12:32 .

[sharkboy421]

hhh89 wrote...

sharkboy421 wrote...



Synthesis and Control in the EC are pretty damn happy, but I am still displeased with the endings for different reasons.

I consider both of them bittersweet, though Synthesis is more "happier" than Control.

Alright fair enough, bittersweet instead of "happy" is appropriate.  But as I said I still utterly detest the endings for reasons beyond "no happy ending" (though I admit I do want one).  And I've moved us off topic of the thread.  My bad.  If you are really curious I'd be happy to tell you in PM or something about why I feel the way I do but I didn't mean to move off topic.

[Terrorize69]

Those fans that believe it will be crap etc, are just setting their standards and hopes low. So that when DA3 is released they are less likely to be disappointed and more likely satisfied and pleased.

[MushroomMagic]

Rawgrim wrote...

MushroomMagic wrote...

SpEcIaLRyAn wrote...

MushroomMagic wrote...

I don't think Bioware should be blamed for Dragon Age II's shortcomings. There were a few things like the change in the art direction which I found a bit jarring but overwhelmingly Dragon Age II's shortcomings stemmed from the fact that the developers were not given enough time and resources. I don't care how talented a person is, you cannot expect them to deliver a quality product or service if they don't have the chronological/financial resources necessary to deliver. EA knows this too and they want Dragon Age to persist as a franchise so that is why I'm hoping they are no longer running Bioware as a sweat shop. The fact that the game is being given more time to develop is a good sign.

I agree. The DA2 development cycle was a year and a half. Which is completely ridiculous giventhat Origins had a 5-7 year development cycle and was a complete Gem. EA wants Bioware to keep making them millions of dollars. And when Bioware is dead because of what they did to Bioware they will just go out and find another cash cow.

Yeah, and it's not like Bioware is completely incapable of delievering a quality game under EA's management.  Just look at Mass Effect 2, one of the best games ever made that's loved by just about everyone sans a few neckbearded virgins who get enjoyment out of menu micromanagement for identical looking guns and armor.

ME2 was great, yes. Allthough i would be hard pressed to call it an rpg. More like a shooter with dialogue.

Not saying you don't have a point but I think to most people this doesn't really matter.  To me Mass Effect 2 took everything that was tedious in Mass Effect 1 and threw it out the window while taking everything that was good about the first game and improving it.  Mass Effect 2 is a spectacularly good sequel and easily one of my favorite all time games.  Also my favorite in the Mass Effect trilogy.

[The Elder King]

sharkboy421 wrote...



Alright fair enough, bittersweet instead of "happy" is appropriate.  But as I said I still utterly detest the endings for reasons beyond "no happy ending" (though I admit I do want one).  And I've moved us off topic of the thread.  My bad.  If you are really curious I'd be happy to tell you in PM or something about why I feel the way I do but I didn't mean to move off topic.

Yes, PM me

[Staff Cdr Alenko]

hhh89 wrote...

The fact that there are people who still didn't like the endings after the EC is because some people wanted an happy ending, because they didn't explain how Synthesis could be plausible, because the didn't like the presence of Starchild, because they didn't like how the Reapers are defeated. People have different opinion, and like different things.
About DA3, there are people who didn't like the action approach of DA2. Considering that DA3 will not return back completely to DAO (as far as I know they'll try to took something from DAO, but they'll not going to turn back from DA2) there are people who will not like the game regardless of his quality. If you don't like chocolate, you'll not like it despite the quality.
As for myself, I hope they'll make a good/great game. I'm interested in DA's world and I want to continue playing game about it.

Actually, people still don't like the endings after the EC because the endings STILL SUCK .

[SpEcIaLRyAn]

Staff Lt Alenko wrote...

hhh89 wrote...

The fact that there are people who still didn't like the endings after the EC is because some people wanted an happy ending, because they didn't explain how Synthesis could be plausible, because the didn't like the presence of Starchild, because they didn't like how the Reapers are defeated. People have different opinion, and like different things.
About DA3, there are people who didn't like the action approach of DA2. Considering that DA3 will not return back completely to DAO (as far as I know they'll try to took something from DAO, but they'll not going to turn back from DA2) there are people who will not like the game regardless of his quality. If you don't like chocolate, you'll not like it despite the quality.
As for myself, I hope they'll make a good/great game. I'm interested in DA's world and I want to continue playing game about it.

Actually, people still don't like the endings after the EC because the endings STILL SUCK .

I myself can apprecate the endings a little bit more with the EC. Although it is a fundamental problem that I have with the ending. DA3 hopefull will recieve more care in this regard.

[The Elder King]

Staff Lt Alenko wrote...

hhh89 wrote...

The fact that there are people who still didn't like the endings after the EC is because some people wanted an happy ending, because they didn't explain how Synthesis could be plausible, because the didn't like the presence of Starchild, because they didn't like how the Reapers are defeated. People have different opinion, and like different things.
About DA3, there are people who didn't like the action approach of DA2. Considering that DA3 will not return back completely to DAO (as far as I know they'll try to took something from DAO, but they'll not going to turn back from DA2) there are people who will not like the game regardless of his quality. If you don't like chocolate, you'll not like it despite the quality.
As for myself, I hope they'll make a good/great game. I'm interested in DA's world and I want to continue playing game about it.

Actually, people still don't like the endings after the EC because the endings STILL SUCK .

And they  still suck because?People have different reasons for dislike or hate ME3's endings. I made few examples, because there was no reason to put all of them and because I didn't know all of them.
While I don't think that ME3's ending are great. I'm fine with them. I didn't like them in the vanilla game because there wasn't any difference between them. The game didn't show what will happend if you choose one of them, while after the EC it's shown. The fact that we didn't get an happy ending didn't bother me when I played the game, and it didn't bother me after the EC.
That doesn't mean I like how the endings were presented (the hated A,B,C corridor choice) or the Starbrat and its explanations (though it's at least more complete than in the vanilla game), or the way they defeat the Reapers.  But those are differen parts of the game, that aren't related with the three epilogues shown in the EC.

Modifié par hhh89, 20 octobre 2012 - 12:47 .

[Shadow Fox]

SpEcIaLRyAn wrote...

MushroomMagic wrote...

I don't think Bioware should be blamed for Dragon Age II's shortcomings. There were a few things like the change in the art direction which I found a bit jarring but overwhelmingly Dragon Age II's shortcomings stemmed from the fact that the developers were not given enough time and resources. I don't care how talented a person is, you cannot expect them to deliver a quality product or service if they don't have the chronological/financial resources necessary to deliver. EA knows this too and they want Dragon Age to persist as a franchise so that is why I'm hoping they are no longer running Bioware as a sweat shop. The fact that the game is being given more time to develop is a good sign.

I agree. The DA2 development cycle was a year and a half. Which is completely ridiculous giventhat Origins had a 5-7 year development cycle and was a complete Gem. EA wants Bioware to keep making them millions of dollars. And when Bioware is dead because of what they did to Bioware they will just go out and find another cash cow.

You're aware that DAO  took so long to make because of problems plaguing it's development

[SpEcIaLRyAn]

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

SpEcIaLRyAn wrote...

MushroomMagic wrote...

I don't think Bioware should be blamed for Dragon Age II's shortcomings. There were a few things like the change in the art direction which I found a bit jarring but overwhelmingly Dragon Age II's shortcomings stemmed from the fact that the developers were not given enough time and resources. I don't care how talented a person is, you cannot expect them to deliver a quality product or service if they don't have the chronological/financial resources necessary to deliver. EA knows this too and they want Dragon Age to persist as a franchise so that is why I'm hoping they are no longer running Bioware as a sweat shop. The fact that the game is being given more time to develop is a good sign.

I agree. The DA2 development cycle was a year and a half. Which is completely ridiculous giventhat Origins had a 5-7 year development cycle and was a complete Gem. EA wants Bioware to keep making them millions of dollars. And when Bioware is dead because of what they did to Bioware they will just go out and find another cash cow.

You're aware that DAO  took so long to make because of problems plaguing it's development

Yes bit the point I am making is that it had a proper development cycle. DA2 was rushed out the door.

[drake heath]

Do I want it to suck? No, why would I want a game to suck?

Do I think it has a good chance to suck? Yeah, kinda.

I want it to be good, I like the DA team well enough, but it's still EA, it's still BioWare. I just hope the DA team isn't as far gone as the ME team. I like Gaider, I like the rest of the DA team. It's just EA and BioWare I'm worried about.

Gaider supporting Project Eternity did help me notice he knows a good idea when he sees one. So I'm reserving hope.

Modifié par drake heath, 20 octobre 2012 - 12:45 .

[MushroomMagic]

Any game that takes 5-7 years or longer to develop takes that long either due to problems plaguing it's development as Arcane Warrior suggested or more likely due to sheer incompetence such as the case with Square/Enix in Final Fantasy Versus XIII, Duke Nukem Forever, and Blizzard games.
Dragon Age III will take about 3 years and that is PLENTY of time for a competent development team to deliver a quality product.

[Rawgrim]

drake heath wrote...

Do I want it to suck? No, why would I want a game to suck?

Do I think it has a good chance to suck? Yeah, kinda.

I want it to be good, I like the DA team well enough, but it's still EA, it's still BioWare. I just hope the DA team isn't as far gone as the ME team. I like Gaider, I like the rest of the DA team. It's just EA and BioWare I'm worried about.

Gaider supporting Project Eternity did help me notice he knows a good idea when he sees one. So I'm reserving hope.

I agree completely. Gaider is great. Laidlaw too, i guess. The problem is EA. That being said, IF the game sucks EA will get the blame, not Gaider

[MushroomMagic]

I think had Dragon Age II been Dragon Age:Origins second expansion pack and called something like Dragon Age:The mage war and sold for 30 dollars then nobody would take issue with it.  Bioware could've marketed it as an expansion that will help bridge together Dragon Age Origins and the upcoming Dragon Age II full blown sequel.
Dragon Age II is a good game that falters only under the shadow of it's superior predecessor.

Modifié par MushroomMagic, 20 octobre 2012 - 12:48 .

[SpEcIaLRyAn]

Still Origins was a gem. Some would say Biowares last masterpiece. DA3 will hopefully prove that they aren't lost yet.

[MushroomMagic]

Is David Gaider going to be writing the story for Dragon Age III?

[The Elder King]

MushroomMagic wrote...

Is David Gaider going to be writing the story for Dragon Age III?

He's the lead writer of DA3, yes.