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[wright1978]

hussey 92 wrote...

Mass Effect 3 had more problems then it's ending. For one thing it was much shorter then the other two games.

Yep reams of auto-dialogue and the removal of neutral dialogues were very big issues for me. Completely made roleplaying the character i'd spent 2 games developing a horrible experience. Tuchanka was a definite high point of the game but when the OP describes the game as great i struggle to take anything else posted seriously.

On the subject of DA3 i'm hopeful for DA3. Da2 was flawed and rushed but still enjoyable to me. Think DA3 can find a happier medium between DAO and DA2 and hopefully won't have the environmental flaws that dogged DA2.

Modifié par wright1978, 20 octobre 2012 - 01:34 .

[DarkKnightHolmes]

No but not all of us are blind optimists.

Modifié par DarkKnightHolmes, 20 octobre 2012 - 01:20 .

[Cultist]

Paraphrases - ☑
Voiced protagonist - ☑
EAWare's approach to "choices that matter" - ☑
"We will not abandon what we achieved with Dragon Age 2" - ☑
Action over RPG approach - ☑
"The amount of autoialogues will not change from what e had in DA2" - ☑
"Dialogue wheel will stay" - ☑
So yeah, for me it is already the lowest point.

[Medhia Nox]

@DarkKnightHolmes: Better a blind optimist than a boorishly common pessimist I say.

I hope DA 3 makes me love it as much as I love DA:O.

I have never, ever, played a game multiple times. Dragon Age: Origins I have played through twice and am on my third replay. For me - that is a huge accolade to the quality of Origins.

I hope it interests me as much as Origins - they did it once, they can do it again.

[ianvillan]

Cultist wrote...

Paraphrases - ☑
Voiced protagonist - ☑
EAWare's approach to "choices that matter" - ☑
"We will not abandon what we achieved with Dragon Age 2" - ☑
Action over RPG approach - ☑
"The amount of autoialogues will not change from what e had in DA2" - ☑
"Dialogue wheel will stay" - ☑
So yeah, for me it is already the lowest point.

This plus the fact that Bioware has already stated that DA2 has all the best bits of Origins in it already and that they critizied most of the systems of Origins, the fact that Bioware will announce DA2 features being in the next game but cant say about a feature of Origins that might be returning.

How can the fans of Origins be expected to think that the next game will be different when Bioware is making it seem that we will just be getting another DA2.

[SquooshySyn]

Honestly I think the best way to describe the attitude of the Bioware fan base at the moment is that of a spurned lover.
After the debatable failure of the last three game realises, a big chunk of the fans feel betrayed and hurt by what once was a fantastic company.
I don’t think the vast majority wants DA3 to suck. They, like any jilted partner are acting out rationally or not because they don’t want to be disappointed again.

Personally I have high hopes for DA3, because quite frankly I think EA and Bioware would be completely insane not to pull out all the stops to prove that the previously mentioned failures were a blip on the radar.

I honestly feel for them not to take this opportunity to wow the crap out of us with DA3 would be tantamount to suicide on Bioware’s part, as far as their DA fan base is concerned at least.

[SpEcIaLRyAn]

Just gonna stick my 2 cents in again. I played Dragon Age Origins when I got it on xmas of the year it came out. All I new is that it was made by Bioware. I was extremely surprised at how much I took to the game. It is definitely a masterpiece. It has a similar story structure but in the end it was such a great game. I am still playing it 3 years later. Than Mass Effect 2 came out in January and once again I had my mind blown completely. This game was great.

Than DA2 came out. I will admit that I did like the game and its good on its own merits. But when compared to the wonder its predecessor was it falls flat. Than ME3. ME3 was a fantastic game. I only had 3 problems with it.
1. Auto Dialogue
2. Meaningless Fetch Quests
3. Ending
Edit: I don't count multiplayer as I don't play it.
Other than that it was a really good game. But again I think ME2 was better. Point I am trying to make is that DA2 was a decent game. Although I was somewhat disappointing I don't think its worth $60. More like $30 or $20.

I honestly hope Bioware listens to our criticisms and uses that to create a great game. I hope DA3 is a return to form for them.

And Allan I certainly hope you don't lose your job. It's not you our beef is with. I know Bioware still has loads of talent on their team its just that ever since the EA takeover things have changed and not in a good way.

Modifié par SpEcIaLRyAn, 20 octobre 2012 - 01:40 .

[Icinix]

Fail? No.

Want them to have a good hard look at the direction games have gone with BioWare's lead IP's since EA took over? Definitely.

[Foolsfolly]

To be honest... for like no reason at all... I believe this will be one of their better games.

[The Elder King]

ianvillan wrote...



This plus the fact that Bioware has already stated that DA2 has all the best bits of Origins in it already and that they critizied most of the systems of Origins, the fact that Bioware will announce DA2 features being in the next game but cant say about a feature of Origins that might be returning.

How can the fans of Origins be expected to think that the next game will be different when Bioware is making it seem that we will just be getting another DA2.

I'm a fan of DAO. Between the most recent Bioware's SP games (ME, DAO, ME2, DA2 and ME3) DAO is my favourite game. I didn't like that much DA2 (though I don't think it's complete garbage). But I don't expect Bioware to make a RPG like DAO in the near future. They choose a path. They could try to take something from Origins (which I think they should anyway, and I think they will), but they're not going to return to the approach of DAO.
The reason why I could still buy a future Bioware game (though with DA3 I think I'll wait after release) is because I know I can enjoy a game that it's not a RPG like DAO from Bioware. While ME wasn't a full RPG, the transition between ME and ME2 was similar to the one between DAO and DA2. I think that ME2 had light (really light) RPG elements. Yet, I think it's a great game, which I enjoyed greatly.
My problem with DA2 wasn't only the sudden change on the focus from the RPG elements to the action elements (though I disliked the transition more than the one from ME to ME2, because DAO was a full RPG, while ME was already marketed as a action-rpg, which was at first a console exclusive). It was the game didn't feel great to me, for various reasons.
That's why I could buy DA3 if Bioware will make a great game (even though I'd prefer to have a full RPG like DAO). Because I'm not expecting them to make a game like DAO.

Edit: by the way, I didn't play DA2 for a long time, but I don't remember the game having that much auto-dialogue. ME3 was far worse in that regard.

Modifié par hhh89, 20 octobre 2012 - 01:55 .

[Fast Jimmy]

Foolsfolly wrote...

To be honest... for like no reason at all... I believe this will be one of their better games.

I had the same feeling about ME3 before it came out. I was a little off in that assumption. 

[ianvillan]

hhh89 wrote...

ianvillan wrote...



This plus the fact that Bioware has already stated that DA2 has all the best bits of Origins in it already and that they critizied most of the systems of Origins, the fact that Bioware will announce DA2 features being in the next game but cant say about a feature of Origins that might be returning.

How can the fans of Origins be expected to think that the next game will be different when Bioware is making it seem that we will just be getting another DA2.

I'm a fan of DAO. Between the most recent Bioware's SP games (ME, DAO, ME2, DA2 and ME3) DAO is my favourite game. I didn't like that much DA2 (though I don't think it's complete garbage). But I don't expect Bioware to make a RPG like DAO in the near future. They choose a path. They could try to take something from Origins (which I think they should anyway, and I think they will), but they're not going to return to the approach of DAO.
The reason why I could still buy a future Bioware game (though with DA3 I think I'll wait after release) is because I know I can enjoy a game that it's not a RPG like DAO from Bioware. While ME wasn't a full RPG, the transition between ME and ME2 was similar to the one between DAO and DA2. I think that ME2 had light (really light) RPG elements. Yet, I think it's a great game, which I enjoyed greatly.
My problem with DA2 wasn't only the sudden change on the focus from the RPG elements to the action elements (though I disliked the transition more than the one from ME to ME2, because DAO was a full RPG, while ME was already marketed as a action-rpg, which was at first a console exclusive). It was the game didn't feel great to me, for various reasons.
That's why I could buy DA3 if Bioware will make a great game (even though I'd prefer to have a full RPG like DAO). Because I'm not expecting them to make a game like DAO.

Edit: by the way, I didn't play DA2 for a long time, but I don't remember the game having that much auto-dialogue. ME3 was far worse in that regard.

I think most of the players that prefered Origins dont expect Bioware to make a game like Origins again, Its just that I believe Origins was a better game and would like some of Origins brought back, but it seems Bioware did not think much of Origins and are still going the DA2 route no matter what marketing jargon they might say.

Modifié par ianvillan, 20 octobre 2012 - 02:01 .

[Icinix]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

Foolsfolly wrote...

To be honest... for like no reason at all... I believe this will be one of their better games.

I had the same feeling about ME3 before it came out. I was a little off in that assumption. 

 - you should have seem some of my excitable posts prior to DA2....

..I used to get into arguments with people who said it was going to be crap... I really had to go back and eat a large number of my words.

[Wozearly]

Suprez30 wrote...

It`s amazing how so many people pull out one liners like :

- BioWare haven't made any good game for a while now !
Mass Effect III received 93 % on metacritic and when the game was released everyone on the board was quite happy. Save the ending which they corrected.

- Dragon age 2  the ATROCITIES !!!

- SWTOR FAILED ROFLZ

- Dragon age Origins 2009 , Mass Effect 2 2010 , Mass Effect 1 2007 ... So I think BioWare are far from crap.. All these people living only in 2000 need to grow up.

If I think that ME3, DA2 and SWTOR were all disappointments (if not necessarily terrible), does that mean I'm stuck in 2009?

Also, be wary of the huge gulf between professional reviewer scores and user scores on metacritic.

ME1, ME2, ME 3, DA:O, DA2 and SWTOR all received very high average professional reviewer scores. Not too dissimilar to each other.

User scores tell a completely different story. ME1, ME2 and DA:O received user scores fairly close to the average professional reviewer scores. DA2, ME3 and, to a slightly lesser extent SWTOR, had far lower scores. Depending on the platform you look at, some quite comfortably racked up more negatives than positives.

Assuming that a large chunk of the Bioware fanbases for the ME and DA series didn't all spontaneously become mindless trolls in 2009, it suggests there's likely to be something in their criticisms.


People who loved the DA2 changes understandably don't want to see them destroyed by (what they often perceive as) a small minority of fans who didn't like them. Likewise, fans who had more fundamental gripes with DA2 than "too many recycled areas and wave combat" don't want to have their concerns ignored because (what they often perceive as) a small minority of fans loved the game.

[Foolsfolly]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

Foolsfolly wrote...

To be honest... for like no reason at all... I believe this will be one of their better games.

I had the same feeling about ME3 before it came out. I was a little off in that assumption. 

So did I. I thought so so much it was the first game I bought a collector's edition for.

But I lose nothing by being optimistic until proven wrong.

[Darth Death]

No, people don't want DA3 to suck, in fact it's the exact opposite. After ME3 & DA2, some of us lost faith in BioWare. As an result we became critics instead of blind worshipers. I, personally don't want DA3 to fail, but can't help the feeling that it will come up short.

[The Elder King]

ianvillan wrote...


I think most of the players that prefered Origins dont expect Bioware to make a game like Origins again, Its just that I believe Origins was a better game and would like some of Origins brought back, but it seems Bioware did not think much of Origins and are still going the DA2 route no matter what marketing jargon they might say.

I believe that Origins was far better too. I think that they'll bring something back from Origins, though they're using DA2 and not DAO as their main reference. That's the reason why I said I'll probably wait after release to decide if I'm going to buy it or not. Though I think that DA2 would've been far better if it had a proper development time.
Anyway, so far we only know that the dialogue wheel (although refined) the pharaprased dialogue and the voiced PC will be back. I know that a lot of Origins fans didn't like that, but I think ME and ME2 are great games despite those features (and I think the pharaprased dialogues were worse in the ME IP than in DA2, though they were both bad). Though I hope that they'll improve the DW, in which the lines should show better what the PC will tell.
The other thing we know is that they want to improve the companion armour system. If they'll make the concept they shown real, with the companions that have access to all the armours in the game (although restricted by their class) with a different, iconic look for each armours, I think the system will be on par with DAO (not better because the companions will be restricted by their class for the armours). If they'll make 10+ armours for each companions, I'll be moderately satisfied. Anyway, the concept looks good.

[Torhagen]

People want DA3 to be worthwhile again but anyone with half a brain has seen the games BW spit out so they are naturally worried and voice their discontent like for example that DA2 had something about 2 or 3 indoor maps that where repeated infinitely

also the track record of EA is layered with once great IP's

Modifié par Torhagen, 20 octobre 2012 - 02:16 .

[Fast Jimmy]

Foolsfolly wrote...

Fast Jimmy wrote...

Foolsfolly wrote...

To be honest... for like no reason at all... I believe this will be one of their better games.

I had the same feeling about ME3 before it came out. I was a little off in that assumption. 

So did I. I thought so so much it was the first game I bought a collector's edition for.

But I lose nothing by being optimistic until proven wrong.

Well, as long as you don't pay extra for the Collector's Edition by using such optimism. I made a similar mistake with DA2 and got the pre-ordered Collector's edition. 

[Aolbain]

DarkKnightHolmes wrote...

No but not all of us are blind optimists.

Nor are all of us cynics that enyoj to dwell in misery and hate.

Modifié par Aolbain, 20 octobre 2012 - 02:26 .

[Foolsfolly]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

Foolsfolly wrote...

Fast Jimmy wrote...

Foolsfolly wrote...

To be honest... for like no reason at all... I believe this will be one of their better games.

I had the same feeling about ME3 before it came out. I was a little off in that assumption. 

So did I. I thought so so much it was the first game I bought a collector's edition for.

But I lose nothing by being optimistic until proven wrong.

Well, as long as you don't pay extra for the Collector's Edition by using such optimism. I made a similar mistake with DA2 and got the pre-ordered Collector's edition. 

Yeah, that's not happening again. I always thought Collectors Editions were stupid. Only my rabid fanboyism for Mass Effect 1 and 2 made me think getting ME3's CE was a good idea.

[DarkKnightHolmes]

Icinix wrote...

Fast Jimmy wrote...

Foolsfolly wrote...

To be honest... for like no reason at all... I believe this will be one of their better games.

I had the same feeling about ME3 before it came out. I was a little off in that assumption. 

 - you should have seem some of my excitable posts prior to DA2....

..I used to get into arguments with people who said it was going to be crap... I really had to go back and eat a large number of my words.

Huh, remind me of me but with ME3. I defended everything pre-release, even the things I know I didn't like being announced.

Aolbain wrote...

DarkKnightHolmes wrote...

No but not all of us are blind optimists.

Nor are all of us cynics that enyoj to dwell in misery and hate.

Rather be a cynic who'll end up surprised by a game rather than a optimist who will end up extremely disappointed.

Modifié par DarkKnightHolmes, 20 octobre 2012 - 02:33 .

[EmperorSahlertz]

Its a commonly known fact that BioWare fans are an abnormally venomous and hateful bunch. We got our good sides, but usually it is everyone else than our own fault for getting our hopes up about a game.

[CrazyRah]

I absolutely don't want it to suck but i do expect it to suck. After the last few games i've been somewhat disappointed and i rather take the pessimistic approach to their titles until i feel anything but disappointment after completing one of their games