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Does anyone get the impression people want Dragon Age III to suck?


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MushroomMagic wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...

I hope it ends up being the best crpg ever made. I doubt it will be, of course, but i am still having hopes.

As for EA getting hatred...its well deserved.


Dragon Age III still deserves a fair chance regardless of what people think of EA.  However, I do not think most fans will do that because they want Dragon Age III to suck because they want to see EA suffer not taking into consideration that it is Bioware who will suffer far worse.

EA won't 'suffer' if DA3 doesn't live up to expectations. Bioware's reputation (or what's left of it) may suffer, but it would all be on them and they would deserve it.

People don't want DA3 to be a bad game. But you should try to understand where people are coming from. DA2 was a mediocre game. It wasn't terrible, but it wasn't that good either. Origins was a great game. After playing DA2, and then hearing Bioware make excuses for it, people would rather just move on to a new IP. Granted, this isn't what everyone thinks, but there are a lot of people out there who do, including myself.

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I don't want DA3 to fail. There are many reasons for me to not want it to fail. For one, Bioware is in my hometown and it has been great to have a successful gaming company here. For hometown pride's sake, for having them out in the community occasionally and heck I want a job there!! While I played games before then, it was a NWN school project that really got me into gaming. So, consider it a soft spot for Bioware. I also want DA3 to succeed because I have very niche interests in games. Not that Bioware games are niche, but they do provide a type of game that fits my niche. Fantasy RPGs where choices really matter and everything is customizable (well, it at least it used to, when they had a toolset). I don't play FPS (extreme yawn plus those games make me sick) nor too much battle/tactical/strategy oriented games nor sci-fi..... anyway, my choices are limited.

DA2 made a radical shift from DAO. It's a decent game in its own right, although, if it had not been a continuation of the DA series and just a new game out there, I probably would have stayed away from it. Aside from the new gameplay elements that I do not like, the game just falls flat (horrible animations and Hawke being an airhead). The story had potential. This being DA2, one really cannot alienate the fans of DA. That's not to say there can't be change. I would take for example the Batman movies. Used to be comical and then it got deep, dark and epic. I think for the most part people loved that change. DA2's change not so. You've gotta be really careful when modifying an existing series. If you want a whole new fanbase, make a new series, but don't mod an existing one. You run the risk of alienating your existing fanbase (of which for a successful game like DAO there are many) and not getting the new fanbase that you want.

EA is going to go for the money. And by money, they are looking at the whole market and they see that the majority of peeps want FPS's where they get to spectacularly blow stuff up and get eye candy. Such is the way of a large company. Independent companies actually take more risk, as they tend to have a shred of humanity still in them. Look at media and entertainment today..... it's clear where the entire entertainment industry is going and EA wants to ride on that wave. Unfortunately, the single-mindedness of the industry means that anyone that doesn't share the same opinions/interests are left in the dust. Anyone that thinks differently just gets gobbled up by the bigger fish. This is what I fear the most regarding Bioware and its longevity.

DA3. I'm going to buy it, barring it becomes 100% FPS. Am I going to like it better than DAO? Probably not as DA2 already set it in a totally different direction. I do hope I enjoy it to a good extent, though.

Modifié par hobbit_of_the_shire, 20 octobre 2012 - 07:47 .


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TheRealJayDee wrote...

I was extremely hyped for DA2 and ME3 because of my love for the previous games, preordered the CEs for both games, and was pretty disappointed with both. I didn't intend to hate them, quite the opposite, especially concerning ME3, which should have been one of the greatest games ever.

I haven't really followed DA3 so far, because I honestly don't care that much about it and don't want to get too excited and hopeful again. I definitely don't want it to suck, I like the DA universe and want it to thrive. Because of DA2 I'm just not sure DA is taking a direction I want to follow. I'll wait until I've read user reviews after the game is released, and if it's good and to my liking I'll be delighted to visit Thedas again.


hear! hear!

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I've got to admit, I'm hoping it won't do so well so maybe they realize "we should have made it more like Origins."

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My only concern is an article that came out in February on BioWare wanting to capture CoD audience int heir games. Whether it was for specific games or in general, that ticks me off. (I tried looking up the article but the nowgamer site must have removed it or something. Just google "bioware wants call of duty audience")

I want to keep the RPG ... ME2 already threw me off witht eh change in the combat ... I don't want it to get so FPS like and lose what it should be

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I think they want themselves to be right in their prediction that it will suck.

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I'm not the biggest Dragon Age fan, but yeah, it totally seems like some people on BSN want DA3 to totally fail...which I totally don't get...

Good games are a good thing...right?

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Some people want to see EA and Bioware fail so they want their games to fail. Which is pretty dumb. Some of these same people claimed to love Bioware's games and franchises back in the "good old days" but now hate them because they have tried different things. Sometimes different things workout well (ME 2 for instance was a big change from ME 1 but for the most part most people embraced those changes) whereas most people did not care for the changes from DAO to DA2. Sometimes change works and sometimes it doesn't. And while I concede that DA 2 was not as good as DAO and in many ways underperformed as an experience as a whole it was also not the horrible game people made it to be, It was simply an ok game that could have been better. However people that consider themselves DA fans especially the ones that preffered DAO should be rooting for DA 3 to be successful and recapture some of what DAO had and taking some of the good DA 2 while moving the series forward.

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Blessed Silence wrote...

My only concern is an article that came out in February on BioWare wanting to capture CoD audience int heir games. Whether it was for specific games or in general, that ticks me off. (I tried looking up the article but the nowgamer site must have removed it or something. Just google "bioware wants call of duty audience")

I want to keep the RPG ... ME2 already threw me off witht eh change in the combat ... I don't want it to get so FPS like and lose what it should be

I would like then to make a choice. If they want to do action games, then do action games. But don't take established RPG's and dumb them down into a mindless action game with a progression system and then market it as a RPG. 

Stop saying you're "streamlining the experience" and just tell everyone the truth: you're scrapping the RPG aspect of the game. Stop tiptoeing around the subject, Bioware. If you want to make hack n' slash or shoot 'em up games, just say so. People will be upset, but they'll get over it and move on. Right now, there is so much confusion. Your games are marketed as RPG's, but they're not. This only fuels confusion and contempt for Bioware and EA.

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I really really want DA3 to be successful.

From the teasers that have been given out, I am less than hopeful. I'd be thrilled to be wrong, but I don't want to play Chantry against Blood Mages and that sounds like what it is going to be :-(

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MerAnne wrote...

I really really want DA3 to be successful.

From the teasers that have been given out, I am less than hopeful. I'd be thrilled to be wrong, but I don't want to play Chantry against Blood Mages and that sounds like what it is going to be :-(



Well the chantry vs mage thing wasn't resolved in DA 2 and in fact DA 2 was simply the final straw that initiated templar/mage war.  Though I do think there are bigger forces at play than just the skirts and the robes.  I have a feeling that the orignal magisters (such as corypheus and the architect) and the darkspawn are going to come into play.  Magic of course will be a central theme as it was in the first two games.  I also think Flemeth will play a larger role or at least she should.  It seems to be she has been manipulating events the whole time, She didn't save the first two protaginists out of the kindness of her heart.  That said I don't see her being an antogonist though I can't dismiss the notion of her being an antogonist either.

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Look at it this way. There's basically three possibilities for DA3.

If it sucks, it'll either kill Bioware or finally make them go back to the older style RPG's that everyone loved and sold best.
If it's average, then the debate will continue on for another two years and nothing will change. (EA can live with average)
If it's great, it's great, and everyone wins.

I'd rather have the game suck so hard that the changes that are needed come into force then have the game be distinctly average, like DA2.

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MushroomMagic wrote...
a great game like Mass Effect 3


Average game.

MushroomMagic wrote...
gets universally condemned because of it's ending despite the fact that Bioware listened to fan feedback and provided clarification for the ending


Yeah, like it was the clarification that the bad ending needed.

It's like going to the doctor with cancer, and leaving with some cough drops for that cold you've had.

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Considering how the game industry is in the decline these days I respect the people at Bioware because they face a lot of pressure. It probably would have been wiser if they had stayed a niche company, but Bioware has always been ambitious and I respect them for that. Every artist has restrictions, and it's within restrictions that great design is born. Good design also goes unnoticed. Unfortunately Bioware's recent design is very noticeable. Yet I think they are adjusting to their new roles, and I believe they will figure it out. Mass Effect 3 was certainly not the game we were promised, yet it was one among many of Bioware's games. Most of which are exceptional. To hope they fail in the future is bitter and childish. To refuse to buy future content until after reviews is reasonable. I personally have been a long time supporter, and I will continue to do so as I see no change in Bioware's ambition. I may hope their ambition focused on different things (sometimes I whine about this very loudly), but it's easy to acknowledge their ambition none the less. That ambition is why I am a Bioware fan, and why I will continue to give my support and pre-order.

Modifié par infraredman, 20 octobre 2012 - 09:22 .


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I'd say they do, and that's another reason why I barely bother reading anything in the forums. They should just start a special forum for the EA-bashing already. They can bake each cupcakes for each other if DA3 flops and start crowing about how right they were. *rolleyes*

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AtreiyaN7 wrote...

I'd say they do, and that's another reason why I barely bother reading anything in the forums. They should just start a special forum for the EA-bashing already. They can bake each cupcakes for each other if DA3 flops and start crowing about how right they were. *rolleyes*


Cupcakes? Hell yeah.

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MerAnne wrote...

I really really want DA3 to be successful.

From the teasers that have been given out, I am less than hopeful. I'd be thrilled to be wrong, but I don't want to play Chantry against Blood Mages and that sounds like what it is going to be :-(


I think it would be a mistake to force players to be pro-Chantry in Inquisition.

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LobselVith8 wrote...

MerAnne wrote...

I really really want DA3 to be successful.

From the teasers that have been given out, I am less than hopeful. I'd be thrilled to be wrong, but I don't want to play Chantry against Blood Mages and that sounds like what it is going to be :-(


I think it would be a mistake to force players to be pro-Chantry in Inquisition.



I just wonder how they are going to pull of the Inquisitor thing for players that decide to play as mages.

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Allan Schumacher wrote...

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MushroomMagic wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...

I hope it ends up being the best crpg ever made. I doubt it will be, of course, but i am still having hopes.

As for EA getting hatred...its well deserved.


Dragon Age III still deserves a fair chance regardless of what people think of EA.  However, I do not think most fans will do that because they want Dragon Age III to suck because they want to see EA suffer not taking into consideration that it is Bioware who will suffer far worse.


honestly... its in all gamers interest if ea is wiped from the map and its actually worth losing, the now souless, studio bioware to achieve that aim


Hmmm, as a gamer, it'd certainly not be in my best interests to be unemployed as that'd certainly undermine my ability to purchase new games!

Jokes aside, wishing for me and my colleagues to become unemployed isn't really a productive perspective on these forums and I'd encourage those that want to see us burn to just move along since in the long run I can't see much productive coming out of sticking around.

I have no beefs with criticism (no game is perfect).  Criticism is okay and encouraged.  Coming around to tell me you wish I was out of a job because you think it's in your best interests as a gamer, not so much.


In fairness, Mass Effect 3 would have been, had they just done the ending properly the first time. And unfortunately, it's put a bad taste in my mouth. I was already disappointed with DA:2, and I can only hope the story is really well done like in the first one, and not just focused on gimmicks. It should be a game that rivals Baldur's gate, and I think Origins did exactly that.
 

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Keep in mind guys that from what we know The Chantry is not against the mages.

The templars gave gone rogue, and the circles have outright revolted.

And the two sides are right, and the Chantry and their Inquisitors are currently looking on helplessly.

Ultimately they want peace, and will do what they can to achieve it.

So I reckon that it will be entirely possible to play as a Mage Inquisitor, and use your position to leverage for an improved deal for the mages.

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I hope the game will be great, I want it to be so good that I want to kick myself for not pre-ordering it and getting it on day one since I am taking a wait and see philosophy with this one.

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KotorEffect3 wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

MerAnne wrote...

I really really want DA3 to be successful.

From the teasers that have been given out, I am less than hopeful. I'd be thrilled to be wrong, but I don't want to play Chantry against Blood Mages and that sounds like what it is going to be :-(


I think it would be a mistake to force players to be pro-Chantry in Inquisition.



I just wonder how they are going to pull of the Inquisitor thing for players that decide to play as mages.


Simple. Make the Inquisition as a neutral organization. Problem solved.

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I hope the game is great, I love Bioware. With that said I don't want Bioware to fail, but I'm not sure if Bioware feels the same. Seems like they're going out of there way to anger their long term fans.

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FitScotGaymer wrote...

Keep in mind guys that from what we know The Chantry is not against the mages.

The templars gave gone rogue, and the circles have outright revolted.

And the two sides are right, and the Chantry and their Inquisitors are currently looking on helplessly.

Ultimately they want peace, and will do what they can to achieve it.

So I reckon that it will be entirely possible to play as a Mage Inquisitor, and use your position to leverage for an improved deal for the mages.


Wouldn't it be better to be able to help the mages keep their autonomy from the Chantry and the templars, if the player wishes to be pro-mage?

Modifié par LobselVith8, 20 octobre 2012 - 11:24 .


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I wouldn't say they want it to be bad, but it's sort of a 'once bitten, twice shy' thing. When disappointing once you tend to not expect good things in the future, and while there were good things about dragon age 2, it really didn't live up to expectations based on da:o