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[A Crusty Knight Of Colour]

Why so much Twilight bashing?

Doesn't half the forum want Cullen to be an LI?

Modifié par CrustyBot, 27 octobre 2012 - 11:48 .

[TEWR]

CrustyBot wrote...

Doesn't half the forum want Cullen to be an LI?

I lol'd.

Also, is that Bruce Campbell dancing?

[The Elder King]

CrustyBot wrote...

Why so much Twilight bashing?

Doesn't half the forum want Cullen to be an LI?

Of course they want to. The bashing is from the other half of the forum.

[vortex216]

Filament wrote...

Watch Hellsing--> faith restored.

[KiwiQuiche]

Give me a Kappa to maul the crap outta me when I try to go for a swim in Orlais.

But seriously, there is a crapload more creatures to pick from; I have an Encylopedia on Magical Creatures at home and that thing weighs a lot; there are many, many supernatural critters to pick from. Not the old washed out common lot we get all the time.

[DreGregoire]

I hope not!

[CaptainBlackGold]

While I agree that "classic" vampires as yet do not seem to fit into the lore of DA, I have to admit I really miss Vampire the Masquerade, Bloodlines. VTMB did vampires right - and despite the initial problems with bugs (later fixed by fans), it was true, "dark" and "mature" fantasy.

The haunted house and the werewolf encounters were the scariest episodes in any game I have ever played.

So if DA could make those kinds of vampires somehow fit into their lore, I would vote for their inclusion. But really, to get the most out of such a scenario, you really would have to base an entire game around them - or at least a DLC. However, just imagine contacting the "taint" somehow, having to move around only in darkness, having to feed just to stay alive as you search for a cure. And how your friends and companions would react?

OK, I admit I was watching a Hammer Films Dracula marathon today starring Christopher Lee so maybe I am slightly biased here.

[Villiamus]

By every God, Goddess, Demon, Devil and Spirit of Bioware let this egregiously abhorrent idea not ever, ever happen, from now to the end of time.

[ledod]

Plaintiff wrote...

I damn well hope not. Why does everything need freaking vampires? They're even more overplayed than fantasy standards like elves and dwarves, which is no mean feat.

There are literally millions of other creatures from folklore and myth that virtually nobody is using.

Some seriously demented, f'd-up stuff at that. (possibly delightfully horrifying )

[DMan7733]

It wouldn't be a big step to add vampires to DA3, there is already a mention of it in the codex when referring to hunger demons, the definition of a vampire being "Taking something from someone to keep living". The "classic/original" vampires would be a mix of hunger demon and desire demon.

Vampire nobles or vampires worshipped are common in folklore (and even in ME codex) where the vampire finds her way into a town and uses her vampiric charms to get the entire town into worshipping her beauty.

Vampires don't need to be pivotal characters but they need to be POWERFUL, able to grow like a hunger demon and act like a desire demon, which when combined can result in an extremely hard battle if unprepared, or just hard if prepared.

Vampires are strong, and not to be used lightly in games, movies or literature, for fear of them being ruined/taken lightly. Depending on how they might deviate from the "classic" using them might be a mistake or a great addition, if they do, I can't wait to see how it works out.

(Imagine walking into a town charmed by a vampire... creepy, how would the mind control aspect come in? Every other time you have always had someone there to bail you out)

[Archyyy]

I like vampires when theyre done well but right now theyre overused. Dragon Age really doesnt need vampires and theyd just feel out of place.

[Harle Cerulean]

Trista Faux Hawke wrote...

CrustyBot wrote...

Why so much Twilight bashing?

Doesn't half the forum want Cullen to be an LI?

I've never understood Twilight bashing, myself. The books were written for preteens/teens. Kids, essentially. Why so much upset over entertainment meant for young adults? It's not for grownups, so of course the books are going to read a certain way. It's not Kafka, you know? lol.

1) The writing is atrocious.  This is bad enough, but not the major issue.

2) The relationship protrayed in incredibly disturbing, but it's treated as though it's ideal, and not dangerous.  Edward Cullen stalks Bella.  He disables her vehicle so that she can't spend time with her friends.  He watches her through her window.  The first time they have sex, Edward injures her, he's so rough. 

And this is all portrayed as romantic.

That is the real issue with Twilight.  It takes a dangerous, abusive relationship, and portrays it as something ideal.  I live almost in the center of Twilight-mania - my town is mentioned in the books, and is very close Forks - and the things you hear from the Twilight-tourists are terrifying.  Mothers who want a boy ~just like Edward~ for their daughters, sort of thing.

I'm not saying portraying abusive, dangerous relationships shouldn't happen - but the narrative shouldn't glorify it and treat it like it's the romantic ideal.  One of my favourite books as a teenager had a relationship in it much like Bella and Edward's, and I remember it fondly to this day.  The difference?

The 'Edward' of the pair was the villain, not the hero.  The relationship was treated as the dangerous, disturbing thing it was, and the stalkery, brutal, jealous **** was not treated as a good guy.  He had sympathetic qualities, enough to understand why the heroine liked him, but he was, beyond a doubt, the villain.

That's why I bash Twilight.

Modifié par Harle Cerulean, 28 octobre 2012 - 06:07 .

[grimkillah]

As long as Vampires are like those in True Blood, it is all good.

Mainstreaming ftw!!!

[The Elder King]

grimkillah wrote...

As long as Vampires are like those in True Blood, it is all good.

Mainstreaming ftw!!!

I hope you're talking  only about their integration in the society. Their fangs that weren't in their canines and the pool of blood that they become after their death greatly annoyed me.

[grimkillah]

Yea the pool of blood is bit sick, but I mean vampires in a way that there is no good or evil, each individual vampire can to child-like, sexy, violent, religious, power hungry, evil, and lost. Not a monotone race. but more like human, except with powers and fangs.

[The Elder King]

grimkillah wrote...

Yea the pool of blood is bit sick, but I mean vampires in a way that there is no good or evil, each individual vampire can to child-like, sexy, violent, religious, power hungry, evil, and lost. Not a monotone race. but more like human, except with powers and fangs.

I didn't find it sick. I find it idiotic.
But I can agree with your post, avout having vampires as a "neutral" race (though the last season made clear to me than in the origins the vampire race wasn't neutral).

[grimkillah]

Eric is kinda neutral in that he really only care about his own interest and people. Now Bill just lost the plot and jumped on the first bandwagon he can find. And I don't know about the Lilith cult, it appears Lilith just using any vampire stupid enough to drink her blood to be reborn again, the vampire bible can be all a lie just for such backup plan, in case she was killed.

[Blackrising]

CaptainBlackGold wrote...

While I agree that "classic" vampires as yet do not seem to fit into the lore of DA, I have to admit I really miss Vampire the Masquerade, Bloodlines. VTMB did vampires right - and despite the initial problems with bugs (later fixed by fans), it was true, "dark" and "mature" fantasy.

The haunted house and the werewolf encounters were the scariest episodes in any game I have ever played.

So if DA could make those kinds of vampires somehow fit into their lore, I would vote for their inclusion. But really, to get the most out of such a scenario, you really would have to base an entire game around them - or at least a DLC. However, just imagine contacting the "taint" somehow, having to move around only in darkness, having to feed just to stay alive as you search for a cure. And how your friends and companions would react?

OK, I admit I was watching a Hammer Films Dracula marathon today starring Christopher Lee so maybe I am slightly biased here.

Still one of my favourite games of all time. So sad there'll never be a sequel.
I'd be okay with those kind of vampires, but really, DA has a lot of other options and doesn't need vamps.

[Frocharocha]

grimkillah wrote...

Yea the pool of blood is bit sick, but I mean vampires in a way that there is no good or evil, each individual vampire can to child-like, sexy, violent, religious, power hungry, evil, and lost. Not a monotone race. but more like human, except with powers and fangs.

It may be possible to vampires like this to exist in DA universe. But  I find extremely unlikely. Btw, it wouldn't make diference. What's the funny on blood-sucking monsters when they are normal people at all who are afraid of the sun?

[Heimdall]

Trista Faux Hawke wrote...

Harle Cerulean wrote...

Trista Faux Hawke wrote...

CrustyBot wrote...

Why so much Twilight bashing?

Doesn't half the forum want Cullen to be an LI?

I've never understood Twilight bashing, myself. The books were written for preteens/teens. Kids, essentially. Why so much upset over entertainment meant for young adults? It's not for grownups, so of course the books are going to read a certain way. It's not Kafka, you know? lol.

1) The writing is atrocious.  This is bad enough, but not the major issue.

2) The relationship protrayed in incredibly disturbing, but it's treated as though it's ideal, and not dangerous.  Edward Cullen stalks Bella.  He disables her vehicle so that she can't spend time with her friends.  He watches her through her window.  The first time they have sex, Edward injures her, he's so rough. 

And this is all portrayed as romantic.

That is the real issue with Twilight.  It takes a dangerous, abusive relationship, and portrays it as something ideal.  I live almost in the center of Twilight-mania - my town is mentioned in the books, and is very close Forks - and the things you hear from the Twilight-tourists are terrifying.  Mothers who want a boy ~just like Edward~ for their daughters, sort of thing.

I'm not saying portraying abusive, dangerous relationships shouldn't happen - but the narrative shouldn't glorify it and treat it like it's the romantic ideal.  One of my favourite books as a teenager had a relationship in it much like Bella and Edward's, and I remember it fondly to this day.  The difference?

The 'Edward' of the pair was the villain, not the hero.  The relationship was treated as the dangerous, disturbing thing it was, and the stalkery, brutal, jealous **** was not treated as a good guy.  He had sympathetic qualities, enough to understand why the heroine liked him, but he was, beyond a doubt, the villain.

That's why I bash Twilight.

Lol. Well, then that means you should bash nearly every vampire story there is, starting with Dracula. Those stories all romanticize monsters who prey on women. After reading your description of Twilight (because I've never read the books, myself) I can safely say that Meyer pretty much re-imagined the same storyline and character dynamic between Vlad Dracul and Mina Harker - a notorious human-female-to-male-vampire romance that was riddled with insanity, abuse, emotional manipulation, and more. Hell, Vlad seduced/attacked/murdered Mina's friend Lucy - that's a far cry from disabling a vehicle in order to put a stop to a sleepover. 

Besides, what person A considers romantic won't always be what person B considers romantic. Some people are turned on by the things you described above. I can see the appeal in it. It's dangerous. Danger excites people. It's also just a fantasy - not real. You know? Plus, your interpretation of stalking/creepy behavior is subjective, you know? Some readers most likely don't see it that way. Anyone will walk away from any book with various interpretations. 

I don't know. It all just seems kinda petty to me. (I don't mean to offend you by saying that, Harle...)

  Have you ever actually read Dracula?!

He's portrayed as a domineering magnificent bastard at best and a monstrous villain at worse.  At no point is he romanticized.  The women he attacked were asleep and Lucy never even saw him before she died.  Mina spends most of her time around him scared out of her wits for the brief moments where it occurs.  There's nothing remotely romantic about it.

Modifié par Lord Aesir, 29 octobre 2012 - 01:11 .