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Did anyone else LOL at Alistair's cameo in Dragon Age II?


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Kaosbuddy wrote...

XCelfa wrote...

DogMeat312 wrote...

King Alistair is still better than Warden Alistair...

Why would you bother coming to a burning city full of angry Qunari, if all your going to do is say hello then run away because you have 'important warden business'??

Lost alot of respect for Alistair in those two minutes.
They shouldnt use cameos in DA3 unless it makes perfect sense for them to be there


Well, possibly because he was a Grey Warden. Their job is to battle the blight, not Qunari. If there were pressing matters elsewhere, it makes perfect sense that he would have left the city in Hawke'n'friends' all-too-capable hands.


The Blight (and Awakening) is done, what pressing Darkspawn business can there be?

"Alright, vacation time... oh, it's under attack. Back to the boat! If anyone asks, we got an urgent carrier pigeon and have business elsewhere."
"If we have urgent business, shouldn't we have gone there first? I mean, it takes weeks to get anywhere, even by boat."
"Shut up, Jenkins. That's just our excuse for bailing. Remember Article 12/B: We only bother saving innocent people if we can press-gang them into the Joining"


It was strange and i hope there business is touched on in some way in 3...even if its just a mention.

Modifié par Nashimura, 20 octobre 2012 - 06:52 .


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Found it pretty funny considering his queen 'ball and chain' wife was my DA:O Warden.

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Well Awakening does foreshadow another Blight in the epilogue. The world is falling to pieces. Somehow I wager it is Flemeths doing.

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It was fine until he says "Swooping is bad". Yes, Bioware, I remember that line too. Har dee freaking har.

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I was annyed by the cameo since my first playthrough of DA:O had my warden run off with him as I made Anora queen .. and he's in Kirkwall with Teagan who looks like he lost too many bar fights with that nose argh ...

And what did he do, dump my warden off somewhere? Yeesh ..

Cameos have to mean something. If they want to tell me what ahs been going on, fine. But make it part of a quest or something, not a "Hi - bye" thing.

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Fozee wrote...

It is slightly off-topic, but let's correct that!

Would you like to see more, less embarrassing, character cameos in future Dragon Age titles?


That entirely depends on who is being cameo'd.

If its Alister, No! He shouldn't be neglected to cameo roles. He is an important character. His comapnion status in the first games states this. One of the big things from the first game is the fact that he can become King and ete. He should be a main player here just like Morrigan, Leliana, Zevran, Sten, Oghren, Sha(y)le, and Wynne.

It becomes and issue when Sandal, a character who simply exists (at the present moment) for the Enchantments and some minor foreshadowing, has a more important role in the plot than Alister, a well-developed character and important player here.

I do not care if Wynne is dead. Her death then needs to have screen time for those who have not read or do not plan on reading the side stories. How does the Warden feel about her death? She could have been a mother-figure to many of them. Use this.

If it is Bann Teagan or someone of a similar role from prior games, then a cameo is perfectly fine. They aren't characters we saw develop and cared for or posisbly romanced.

It also depends on the entire purpose of the cameo.

The Eluvian in DAII? What was the whole point of this existing? You end DA:O off with this big mystery of the Eluvian and center and entire character on finding out what the Eluvian is and then tell us NOTHING about what it actually is. All you said was "Hey! Here's this really important artifact! We're not going anything with it! You get nothing! Nein!" Stings a bit more if you're Warden went with Morriagn through the ELuvian. "Am I going to finally know what they're doing?" Nope!

Alister in DAII? All that was said was "Hey! Remember this guy? Good. Bye naw!"

Don't fall to the same issues as ME3...

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Yeah.

I can't help but admire Steve Valentine's professionalism for putting so much effort to make such bad awkward dialogues sound natural, and even somewhat entertaining.

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DogMeat312 wrote...

King Alistair is still better than Warden Alistair...

Why would you bother coming to a burning city full of angry Qunari, if all your going to do is say hello then run away because you have 'important warden business'??


What makes you think he came to Kirkwall while it was under attack? The qunari attack only lasted, what, a night? It makes more sense that Warden Alistair was already there when the fuss started.

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Ugh, this was the worst cameo.

I don't really care what he looked like, but his actions cause me physical pain. He, as King of Ferelden , personally goes to a city-state to be talked down to by some two-bit Knight-Commander. And all he can do is joke about it. WTF?

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I actually took it that he was in the city for other reasons than a lecture by Meredith.

It was just a nod to the fans, really. You could say it was pointless, but aren't most cameos?

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I don't like contrived cameos either, I like characters to act as in-character as possible with no fan service or anything like that.

I can't remember what I thought of Alistair's cameo though it can't have been that bad otherwise I would probably remember it. I remember not liking Leliana's one that one felt a little contrived...also Zevran looked weird.

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Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...

It's explained, but the explanation makes no sense unless Marethari was unaware it could come back to life, since she was the one who said it was threatening the clan. She sent Hawke to kill it and presumably expected it would stay dead.

Merrill's explanation just felt like a convenient way to explain the re-use of a boss fight, at least to me.


Marethari's not exactly a smart person. She's, frankly, an idiot after Merrill leaves the clan of her own accord.

But also take into account that after it threatened her clan and was slain, no one in the clan would go to it and try to bring it back to life. I think Zevran going there and bringing it back to life to guard him was something she didn't expect. So it wouldn't be that she didn't know it could be brought back to life, but that she didn't think anyone would bring it back to life because at the time we slay it, the only people who know about it are Hawke, his friends, and the clan. 

And the only people who might know the "It'll guard us if we give it reason to, no matter what" schtick is the clan, who suffered the deaths of four people due to it -- so they're not going to be eager to test out that theory.

Like I said, it seems likely that either A) Marethari's an idiot, B) she maybe didn't know, as you said, or the most likely possibility C) Zevran was a wild card that caused it to be brought back to life. 

Face of Evil wrote...

I actually took it that he was in the city for other reasons than a lecture by Meredith.


I think what Bioware was going for was him establishing a political alliance between at the very least Kirkwall and at most the Free Marches, like Maric attempted to do before him -- what with the looming threat of an Orlesian invasion.

Which makes sense, given that Kirkwall and Ferelden both share a common enemy: Orlais. And he wanted to see Hawke, a native Fereldan and Champion of the city. Hawke could then apply his influence -- which isn't really shown properly if you want to have a political story, but anyway... -- to sway Kirkwall over to Ferelden's aid.

Like I said though, this isn't properly conveyed, but I think it's what they were going for.

Add in the possibility of Starkhaven assisting Kirkwall would then be assisting Ferelden and you get a good thing.

I also imagine Alistair might've tried to get Nevarra on his side, because they too share Orlais as an enemy. But that's not really implied anywhere as being on his agenda.

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Well, possibly because he was a Grey Warden.


The Wardens became very politically involved during the Blight and the Thaw. So much so that the First Warden in Weisshaupt is arguing for them to become such elsewhere and hoping that the Arling of Amaranthine serves as an example as to why the Wardens need to be involved in politics.

That isn't to say it doesn't ruffle the jimmies of the Chantry, the populus, and perhaps even some individual Wardens. It does. Hell, someone is moving against the Wardens as we learn in Act 1's Avernus sidequest. Still, there are reasons for saying why Alistair should and shouldn't have joined in.

Though he did, to an extent. He and his group had to kill whatever Qunari were attacking them. That we only see them fighting about a dozen or so with Hawke's aid doesn't mean more weren't killed elsewhere by his group's hand.

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 21 octobre 2012 - 05:55 .


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The only I find sadly funny is how Alistair's face looks like a mabari.

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The only cameo I cared about in DA2 (and wasn't expecting one when the game first came out) was Zevran's (since my main Warden romanced him). And, my god, the face! Did you see his face!?
It was bad enough that his romance arc was glitched and he forgot that he romanced the Warden (and the glitch still hasn't been fixed yet, come on bioware).
Even to this day, I can not get used to his face...

I mean, sure Alistair's face was bad. But compared to Zevran's, Alistair looked like a supermodel.

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Zevran looked awful! How could that new elf, whatever his name is, look better than Zevran?!

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Sejborg wrote...

All the cameos in DA2 are weird.

Disagree. Leliana, Nate and Drunk!Alistair where fine. Also I enjoyed Zev, I just found his look to be aweful though.

Modifié par Mr.House, 21 octobre 2012 - 08:08 .


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To be honest upon seeing him in my first da2 playthrough.. I was just in complete shock .. Like...

- That not Allistair.. What the hell.

Than when I came back to myself .. the convo was over.

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The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...

It's explained, but the explanation makes no sense unless Marethari was unaware it could come back to life, since she was the one who said it was threatening the clan. She sent Hawke to kill it and presumably expected it would stay dead.

Merrill's explanation just felt like a convenient way to explain the re-use of a boss fight, at least to me.


Marethari's not exactly a smart person. She's, frankly, an idiot after Merrill leaves the clan of her own accord.


Nah. I don't think she's meant to be an idiot. I think the whole questline is contrived in such a way that she doesn't end up looking all that smart though. One of the failings of trying to 'keep things secret to not spoil the PC for the big climax'.

We can disagree though, if you like.

But also take into account that after it threatened her clan and was slain, no one in the clan would go to it and try to bring it back to life.


Why would they? The obvious risk is that whatever antagonised it would cause it to rampage again. As what caused that is never explained in the game (nor what it was apparently guarding in the first place) it seems a fair risk. Even if they knew it could be 'brought back to life' by their actions, which isn't stated.

I think Zevran going there and bringing it back to life to guard him was something she didn't expect. So it wouldn't be that she didn't know it could be brought back to life, but that she didn't think anyone would bring it back to life because at the time we slay it, the only people who know about it are Hawke, his friends, and the clan.


I...think Zevran had nothing to do with it coming back to life, personally, and you're trying to make connections to explain away plot weirdness by joining convenient dots. :P

Like I said, it seems likely that either A) Marethari's an idiot, B) she maybe didn't know, as you said, or the most likely possibility C) Zevran was a wild card that caused it to be brought back to life.


I'll leave further debate on this to other threads in other forums. ;)

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My Alistair in DA2 was a drunk lying around the Hanged Man. Which was a cameo I thought was fine, since the DA:O epilogue slide stated that that's what happened to him. His drunkenness also explained why his face is how it is.

Now, Zevran's cameo, on the other hand - that one felt out of place.

Modifié par Cthulhu42, 22 octobre 2012 - 12:10 .


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FINE HERE wrote...

Yeah... He called my warden 'the old ball and chain' despite being madly in love with her at the old of my DA:O playthrough. He didn't sound 'playful' or 'silly' when saying it, either... That seemed out of place to me... What exactly did my warden do to make him call her that?

He likes chains and gets whipped by the queen all night long, "Swooping is bad, whipping is good!"

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I want cameos and while the DA2 cameos were a little.... weird I still want something from the old characters

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The Hierophant wrote...

I lol'd @ his face.


Damn, was wayyy beaten to it....

Cutlass Jack wrote...

The only thing that would have made it better was if he waggled his eyebrows when he did the horrid repeat of his 'swooping is bad' line while Bann Teagan did Jazz hands behind him.


YES! That line was PURE FAN SERVICE!!! It seriously ruined the moment utterly. Took a sword to the stomach then kicked it while it was down. 

I saw a reason to be there while King (in my mind) and that line just.....arrgh, ITS NOT THAT FUNNY!!!!!! <_<

Modifié par Palipride47, 22 octobre 2012 - 05:41 .


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Dave of Canada wrote...

Personally, I find the idea behind Alistair's cameo was the greatest. The presentation of Orlais considering an invasion of Ferelden was great but the cameo itself and the content of the others felt mostly forced into a side quest to point out "HEY, THIS IS THE SAME UNIVERSE WITH THE SAME PEOPLE!".


Jupp, I felt the same way. It was a great way to tie it all together. Liked it if I brought Aveline to meet him. Thought that the reference to his wife, my gray warden was really sweet as well.