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[Eterna]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

Applepie_Svk wrote...

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Sion1138 wrote...

No. I imagine the only way it could be satisfying is if I had some sort of self-defeating personality disorder.

But hey...  

No, I think the more important personality trait is you have to hate yourself.. Then synthesis will look more appealing. Or control because you can take all that anger out on the rest of the galaxy.

Let's talk crap about everyone who likes stuff we don't! Sion and Jade style!

You have failed to look different...

Really? I don't remember talking crap about people on a personal level like that, because of their opinion on the ending. 

I wish I bookmarked some of your posts because I've definitely seen some pretty personal attacks from you Brovikk. nevertheless. What I said was just my opinion anyway, no need to go spreading it 'round.

Your opinion is frankly arrogant and offensive. I mean, to say someone must loathe themselves in order to pick Synthesis is perposterous. 

I could be offensive in return, but honeslty I'm above that.

[Falaxe]

Eterna5 wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

I wish I bookmarked some of your posts because I've definitely seen some pretty personal attacks from you Brovikk. nevertheless. What I said was just my opinion anyway, no need to go spreading it 'round.

Your opinion is frankly arrogant and offensive. I mean, to say someone must loathe themselves in order to pick Synthesis is perposterous. 

I could be offensive in return, but honeslty I'm above that.

It´s now very common to hear people say "I`m rather offended by that". As if that gives them certain rights; It´s actually nothing more... It`s simply a whine. It´s no more than a whine. It has no meaning, it has no purpose, it has no reason to be respected as a phrase. "I am offended by that", well so ****ing what?

Modifié par Falaxe, 21 octobre 2012 - 08:06 .

[crimzontearz]

Rovay wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

because the game was delayed after it hit the feature lock stage to add MP.....

that said we will know for sure when we see more about DA3

Actually, didn't the devs say that they wanted to include multiplayer back in ME 2 but decided it didn't make sense back then, so they waited untill ME 3? I thought they said it right after multiplayer mode was revealed.

think about it. 

Bioware NEVER included MP in any game. Suddenly they add it to ME3 as a last minute thing.....shortly after EA brags about not greenlighting any project that does not sport MP

I don't know you but it does not look like a coincidence to me

[Rovay]

crimzontearz wrote...

Rovay wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

because the game was delayed after it hit the feature lock stage to add MP.....

that said we will know for sure when we see more about DA3

Actually, didn't the devs say that they wanted to include multiplayer back in ME 2 but decided it didn't make sense back then, so they waited untill ME 3? I thought they said it right after multiplayer mode was revealed.

think about it. 

Bioware NEVER included MP in any game. Suddenly they add it to ME3 as a last minute thing.....shortly after EA brags about not greenlighting any project that does not sport MP

I don't know you but it does not look like a coincidence to me

...

Then I guess the co-op modes in Baldur's Gate and Neverwinter Nights were just illusions?

[crimzontearz]

Rovay wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Rovay wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

because the game was delayed after it hit the feature lock stage to add MP.....

that said we will know for sure when we see more about DA3

Actually, didn't the devs say that they wanted to include multiplayer back in ME 2 but decided it didn't make sense back then, so they waited untill ME 3? I thought they said it right after multiplayer mode was revealed.

think about it. 

Bioware NEVER included MP in any game. Suddenly they add it to ME3 as a last minute thing.....shortly after EA brags about not greenlighting any project that does not sport MP

I don't know you but it does not look like a coincidence to me

...

Then I guess the co-op modes in Baldur's Gate and Neverwinter Nights were just illusions?

co op ≠  horde mode MP

and you KNOW IT

[Rovay]

crimzontearz wrote...

Rovay wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Rovay wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

because the game was delayed after it hit the feature lock stage to add MP.....

that said we will know for sure when we see more about DA3

Actually, didn't the devs say that they wanted to include multiplayer back in ME 2 but decided it didn't make sense back then, so they waited untill ME 3? I thought they said it right after multiplayer mode was revealed.

think about it. 

Bioware NEVER included MP in any game. Suddenly they add it to ME3 as a last minute thing.....shortly after EA brags about not greenlighting any project that does not sport MP

I don't know you but it does not look like a coincidence to me

...

Then I guess the co-op modes in Baldur's Gate and Neverwinter Nights were just illusions?

co op ≠  horde mode MP

and you KNOW IT

In my opinion, that's just semantics. If a game gives you possibilities to play with other people (whelter it's co-op, deathmatch, horde mode or whatever) it's multiplayer.

[AlanC9]

Bio almost destroyed NWN with their obsessive focus on MP. They've always liked MP even when their fans haven't.

[crimzontearz]

Rovay wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Rovay wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Rovay wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

because the game was delayed after it hit the feature lock stage to add MP.....

that said we will know for sure when we see more about DA3

Actually, didn't the devs say that they wanted to include multiplayer back in ME 2 but decided it didn't make sense back then, so they waited untill ME 3? I thought they said it right after multiplayer mode was revealed.

think about it. 

Bioware NEVER included MP in any game. Suddenly they add it to ME3 as a last minute thing.....shortly after EA brags about not greenlighting any project that does not sport MP

I don't know you but it does not look like a coincidence to me

...

Then I guess the co-op modes in Baldur's Gate and Neverwinter Nights were just illusions?

co op ≠  horde mode MP

and you KNOW IT

In my opinion, that's just semantics. If a game gives you possibilities to play with other people (whelter it's co-op, deathmatch, horde mode or whatever) it's multiplayer.

one requires significantly more resources to be developed and attracts a significantly different crowd

not just semantics

[frostajulie]

No
Fornicate NO
Defecate NO
Female dog NO

or
**** no
**** no
**** no

[AlanC9]

Requires resources, or brings revenue in? If anything, it looks like MP is subsidizing SP.

[crimzontearz]

AlanC9 wrote...

Requires resources, or brings revenue in? If anything, it looks like MP is subsidizing SP.

which is not reflected in additional manpower or dev cycle time so it just fattens the fat cats up

[Rovay]

crimzontearz wrote...

one requires significantly more resources to be developed and attracts a significantly different crowd

not just semantics

So getting the side-mission maps from SP and then giving them a few spawn points, plus other extras specifically for MP takes significantly more resources? Yes, probably it takes some but I wouldn't say it was really that much. And I wouldn't say it was created specifically for this 'different crowd'. I'd say it was created for ME fans who wanted to play ME with their friends or other ME fans.

[crimzontearz]

Rovay wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

one requires significantly more resources to be developed and attracts a significantly different crowd

not just semantics

So getting the side-mission maps from SP and then giving them a few spawn points, plus other extras specifically for MP takes significantly more resources? Yes, probably it takes some but I wouldn't say it was really that much. And I wouldn't say it was created specifically for this 'different crowd'. I'd say it was created for ME fans who wanted to play ME with their friends or other ME fans.

class balancing, weapon balancing, wave balancing performance optimization over three platforms and so on. 

Right the SAME crowd who would want to play a skyrim arena mp game

look up Spartan Ops. If Bioware did it that way I woul 100% endorse it. This way? no thanks.

[Rovay]

crimzontearz wrote...

Rovay wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

one requires significantly more resources to be developed and attracts a significantly different crowd

not just semantics

So getting the side-mission maps from SP and then giving them a few spawn points, plus other extras specifically for MP takes significantly more resources? Yes, probably it takes some but I wouldn't say it was really that much. And I wouldn't say it was created specifically for this 'different crowd'. I'd say it was created for ME fans who wanted to play ME with their friends or other ME fans.

class balancing, weapon balancing, wave balancing performance optimization over three platforms and so on. 

Right the SAME crowd who would want to play a skyrim arena mp game

look up Spartan Ops. If Bioware did it that way I woul 100% endorse it. This way? no thanks.

Well, personaly I can't imagine that those things would cost as much as you're saying, but then again we don't have any exact numbers from Bioware that can prove any of us wrong. Unless you're a game developer who happened to work on such MP mode, and thus knows better than me.
 
Now that you're saying, Skyrym arena MP game would certainly be worth a look, if only for some laughs. But really, alot of people expressed desire to be able to play as different characters and races, even here on BSN. So at least it was made partialy for the people of 'this crowd'. Maybe the way they did it isn't particularly interesting (not to mention that stupid random shop!) but they tried.

And yeah, if they did it the Spartan Ops way, I would certainly like it a lot more (remove the random shop and I would love it). But I think we did enough off-topicing here and I unfortunately need to get up very early tomorrow so I'll bid you farewell.

[crimzontearz]

Rovay wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Rovay wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

one requires significantly more resources to be developed and attracts a significantly different crowd

not just semantics

So getting the side-mission maps from SP and then giving them a few spawn points, plus other extras specifically for MP takes significantly more resources? Yes, probably it takes some but I wouldn't say it was really that much. And I wouldn't say it was created specifically for this 'different crowd'. I'd say it was created for ME fans who wanted to play ME with their friends or other ME fans.

class balancing, weapon balancing, wave balancing performance optimization over three platforms and so on. 

Right the SAME crowd who would want to play a skyrim arena mp game

look up Spartan Ops. If Bioware did it that way I woul 100% endorse it. This way? no thanks.

Well, personaly I can't imagine that those things would cost as much as you're saying, but then again we don't have any exact numbers from Bioware that can prove any of us wrong. Unless you're a game developer who happened to work on such MP mode, and thus knows better than me.
 
Now that you're saying, Skyrym arena MP game would certainly be worth a look, if only for some laughs. But really, alot of people expressed desire to be able to play as different characters and races, even here on BSN. So at least it was made partialy for the people of 'this crowd'. Maybe the way they did it isn't particularly interesting (not to mention that stupid random shop!) but they tried.

And yeah, if they did it the Spartan Ops way, I would certainly like it a lot more (remove the random shop and I would love it). But I think we did enough off-topicing here and I unfortunately need to get up very early tomorrow so I'll bid you farewell.

they do because they require testing and a all sort of work that cannot be recycled from the SP

See it is not that they tried man, they tacked it on. they had some six months to do it and the result was lackluster AND it is obvious it was made to make more money especially since you are encouraged'to pay money for supposingly free stuff since it is not unlocked right away once you download it. Now look at Halo. Dedicated multiplayer which was developed with extra resources (not that it matters since their budget was virtually unlimited) ...that results in hings like spartan ops (story driven co op....FREE tied with a cgi serie that expands the campaign) and Forge and so on as well as multiple game modes including Dominion. Mass Effect's MP was tacked on because EA said so and those resources would have been better spent making sure the ending did not suck

[Spectre Impersonator]

My brother and my three friends all bought Mass Effect 3 and have yet to play the single player. They've heard about the lies of Bioware and refuse to become emotionally involved in something that is destined to failure. You think Bioware cares about this when they already have all our money? Nope.

[Nightwriter]

JohnShepard12 wrote...

My brother and my three friends all bought Mass Effect 3 and have yet to play the single player. They've heard about the lies of Bioware and refuse to become emotionally involved in something that is destined to failure. You think Bioware cares about this when they already have all our money? Nope.

I'm actually going to leave the BioWare Critic carpool lane for a second and say that just because they aren't interested in changing their ending doesn't mean all they care about is money.

[jtav]

I'd say it's just the opposite. They had a story they wanted to tell and they told it. I think they told it badly, but I support their right not to change the endings.

[Spectre Impersonator]

Nightwriter wrote...

JohnShepard12 wrote...

My brother and my three friends all bought Mass Effect 3 and have yet to play the single player. They've heard about the lies of Bioware and refuse to become emotionally involved in something that is destined to failure. You think Bioware cares about this when they already have all our money? Nope.

I'm actually going to leave the BioWare Critic carpool lane for a second and say that just because they aren't interested in changing their ending doesn't mean all they care about is money.

They don't even have to change it to fullfill their pre-release promises. They simply need to add to it. Priority Earth and the Destroy ending, most importantly, what happened after Shepard took the breath.

[Demon560]

jtav wrote...

I'd say it's just the opposite. They had a story they wanted to tell and they told it. I think they told it badly, but I support their right not to change the endings.

they already did, relays break don't explode and refuse option now in, so yeah they still changed the endings, in some minor ways, but still count as changing.

[CptBomBom00]

No, I'm not satisfied, but there's nothing we can do, to change BioWare's minds about endings, hell I'm listening, end once for all now, and you know how sad I'm am that Commander John Shepard never gets to re-unite with Liara, Garrus, Tali, Adamas, Ken and Gabby, Joker, Kadian, Javik,Traynor, EDI, I wish that in Destroy ending there was scene were Shepard actually physically gets out of the rubble.

Damn cliffhangers.

[Nightwriter]

JohnShepard12 wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

JohnShepard12 wrote...

My brother and my three friends all bought Mass Effect 3 and have yet to play the single player. They've heard about the lies of Bioware and refuse to become emotionally involved in something that is destined to failure. You think Bioware cares about this when they already have all our money? Nope.

I'm actually going to leave the BioWare Critic carpool lane for a second and say that just because they aren't interested in changing their ending doesn't mean all they care about is money.

They don't even have to change it to fullfill their pre-release promises. They simply need to add to it. Priority Earth and the Destroy ending, most importantly, what happened after Shepard took the breath.

Yeah, and they won't. They're done. I hate it.

But I still don't think this means all they care about is money.

I think BioWare is so completely closed off to further disagreements that we sometimes start getting carried away with our frustrations, until we're inventing new insults that aren't precisely true. There are bound to be suits behind the ME dev process that are money-oriented, but I doubt all the writers and devs are solely driven by $$.

[DMWW]

Perfectly satisfied, yes.

[Spectre Impersonator]

Nightwriter wrote...

JohnShepard12 wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

JohnShepard12 wrote...

My brother and my three friends all bought Mass Effect 3 and have yet to play the single player. They've heard about the lies of Bioware and refuse to become emotionally involved in something that is destined to failure. You think Bioware cares about this when they already have all our money? Nope.

I'm actually going to leave the BioWare Critic carpool lane for a second and say that just because they aren't interested in changing their ending doesn't mean all they care about is money.

They don't even have to change it to fullfill their pre-release promises. They simply need to add to it. Priority Earth and the Destroy ending, most importantly, what happened after Shepard took the breath.

Yeah, and they won't. They're done. I hate it.

But I still don't think this means all they care about is money.

I think BioWare is so completely closed off to further disagreements that we sometimes start getting carried away with our frustrations, until we're inventing new insults that aren't precisely true. There are bound to be suits behind the ME dev process that are money-oriented, but I doubt all the writers and devs are solely driven by $$.

No doubt there are talented members of the team who care about the story and the fans but I'm afraid they aren't making the decisions or the game would never have been released in the inhumane state it was in. I"m sure there is a rift in Bioware that the smart people won't acknowledge because they like their jobs. 

It's because of these people that I haven't given up hope.