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[o Ventus]

dreman9999 wrote...

The fact I'm also taking about advancement. You don't see that the sociaty with advance knowlegde to how to use fire is inheritly advance. That is tied together.

Fire does not equal advanced.

Who use stone tools still? The sociaties that barely advanced at all. The reason sociaties advance is because of their knowlegde of using fire.

Fire is not the catalyst for advancement. Artificial organs are not based on fire. Nuclear energy is not based on fire. Hydroelectric energy does not come from fire. The international space station did not stem from fire. You don't cook your food with fire (unless you're either amish or just technologically retarded). You don't create synthetic fibers with fire. You don't perform medical transplants with fire.

If your using sociaties that used stone tools, you missing the point. My point was the key to use toward continued advancement.

You're changing your own argument. Earlier you said that fire is the center of all technology. Now it's just one part that we use to advance?

Modifié par o Ventus, 21 octobre 2012 - 01:13 .

[dreman9999]

Reorte wrote...

The Reapers' behaviour and speech suggests a great deal of being fully self-aware and under their own control. The Catalyst is possibly just a buggy VI that the Reapers follow for reasons of their own. There's no evidence that they are under its direct control at any rate; it seems more likely that they view it as something analgous to a god (and a bunch of religious nutjobs does seem to fit Reaper psyche well enough).

1. The Leviathen made it clear The catalyst is an AI. Even the catlyst made it clear it's an AI.

2. The reapers act just like indoctriated agents. TIM, Saren and Benezia are show to be self-aware but we soon find out they have no will of their own as indocttinated agenst.
self-awareness doesnot equal having your own will.

[Tomwew]

dreman9999 wrote...

Tomwew wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Deadlysyns wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Deadlysyns wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Deadlysyns wrote...

Fire does fight when it burns put two fires beside each other and they are at war for the oxygen. the Shepard part. Because i am not running. You honestly think he meant your running was slow he meant your Agility and reflexes dumb***

If the oxygen runs out. All the fires die out.  Not much of a war. The fire, if put together become one, I hope you know.

i do know but its still a war just with no Winner  but honestly for a Soldier Shep should know he was not talking about how fast Shep could run 

Which fire declared the war? Which fire attacked first?

Thats not important lol its never that cut and dry in war 

Sorry, I think you need to be aware to be at war. Which fire is aware? Do they even know the other fires are there?

you do? the zha were at war with the zha'til who were being controlled by the reapers, and therefore the catalyst, the galaxy at large were at war with the rachni, who were controlled by their queens, who allegedly may have possibly, been retconned to have been under the control of leviathan's, maybe.

But the people who they attecked had wills and egos. The peoplewith the rgo's and wills declared it a war well before understanding their enemy.

one society attacks another because it believes it's the right thing to do. that is a war. trying to turn the reapers into misunderstood heroes by saying they aren't at war is insane.
"we're uplifting you to a higher realm of existence" both shep and catalyst ignored this gem from the codex "the reaper's obliterated smaller cites." the big burning city on palaven too. i know what you'll say, it's a tactic to create submission, and squash resistance. a tactic of war mind you.
the reapers use war tactics to destroy other civilisations for idealogical reasons. but they aren't at war. because their general says so. great ending.

[dreman9999]

o Ventus wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

The fact I'm also taking about advancement. You don't see that the sociaty with advance knowlegde to how to use fire is inheritly advance. That is tied together.

Fire does not equal advanced.

Who use stone tools still? The sociaties that barely advanced at all. The reason sociaties advance is because of their knowlegde of using fire.

Fire is not the catalyst for advancement. Artificial organs are not based on fire. Nuclear energy is not based on fire. Hydroelectric energy does not come from fire. The international space station did not stem from fire. 

If your using sociaties that used stone tools, you missing the point. My point was the key to use toward continued advancement.

You're changing your own argument. Earlier you said that fire is the center of all technology. Now it's just one part that we use to advance?

1. Yes, it does. Their is not one socitaty or advace sociaty that does not us it to help advance them. Even the computers we us need the knowlegde  of  fire to be made.

2.Yes, they are. The gears, wires, andcomputer borads made to get them needed fore to make them. Your have to  heat metal to make wire, and melt oil oil  to make plastic.
No matter how you cut it. No fire. No advancement.

3.No I'm not.My arguement alwasy was about advvancement and the base element needed. You miss the fact I mean foundation.

" The international space station did not stem from fire."

Fire is used to make the parts to make the station.


"You don't cook your food with fire (unless you're either amish or just technologically retarded). "

The use of heat is the inherit byproduct of  the knowlegde of fire. Added, fire is used to help make the parts of that stove you use.



"You don't create synthetic fibers with fire. "

But fire is use help to make the tools that make synthetic fibers

"You don't perform medical transplants with fire."

But fire is used to help make the tools use to do the surgeries.


I don't think you're getting this.

Modifié par dreman9999, 21 octobre 2012 - 01:24 .

[dreman9999]

Tomwew wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Tomwew wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Deadlysyns wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Deadlysyns wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Deadlysyns wrote...

Fire does fight when it burns put two fires beside each other and they are at war for the oxygen. the Shepard part. Because i am not running. You honestly think he meant your running was slow he meant your Agility and reflexes dumb***

If the oxygen runs out. All the fires die out.  Not much of a war. The fire, if put together become one, I hope you know.

i do know but its still a war just with no Winner  but honestly for a Soldier Shep should know he was not talking about how fast Shep could run 

Which fire declared the war? Which fire attacked first?

Thats not important lol its never that cut and dry in war 

Sorry, I think you need to be aware to be at war. Which fire is aware? Do they even know the other fires are there?

you do? the zha were at war with the zha'til who were being controlled by the reapers, and therefore the catalyst, the galaxy at large were at war with the rachni, who were controlled by their queens, who allegedly may have possibly, been retconned to have been under the control of leviathan's, maybe.

But the people who they attecked had wills and egos. The peoplewith the rgo's and wills declared it a war well before understanding their enemy.

one society attacks another because it believes it's the right thing to do. that is a war. trying to turn the reapers into misunderstood heroes by saying they aren't at war is insane.
"we're uplifting you to a higher realm of existence" both shep and catalyst ignored this gem from the codex "the reaper's obliterated smaller cites." the big burning city on palaven too. i know what you'll say, it's a tactic to create submission, and squash resistance. a tactic of war mind you.
the reapers use war tactics to destroy other civilisations for idealogical reasons. but they aren't at war. because their general says so. great ending.

But the reaper are going to war because they think it's the right thing to do. They are doing it because their programming tells them to. They never made a choice. They were forced into it.

[Dark_Caduceus]

Unfortunately ME1 seems to have the most of these (though the dialogue choices and plot were still superior to ME2 and ME3).

"You're not even alive, not really. You're just a machine and machines can be broken!"

[Tomwew]

dreman9999 wrote...

Tomwew wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Tomwew wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Deadlysyns wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Deadlysyns wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Deadlysyns wrote...

Fire does fight when it burns put two fires beside each other and they are at war for the oxygen. the Shepard part. Because i am not running. You honestly think he meant your running was slow he meant your Agility and reflexes dumb***

If the oxygen runs out. All the fires die out.  Not much of a war. The fire, if put together become one, I hope you know.

i do know but its still a war just with no Winner  but honestly for a Soldier Shep should know he was not talking about how fast Shep could run 

Which fire declared the war? Which fire attacked first?

Thats not important lol its never that cut and dry in war 

Sorry, I think you need to be aware to be at war. Which fire is aware? Do they even know the other fires are there?

you do? the zha were at war with the zha'til who were being controlled by the reapers, and therefore the catalyst, the galaxy at large were at war with the rachni, who were controlled by their queens, who allegedly may have possibly, been retconned to have been under the control of leviathan's, maybe.

But the people who they attecked had wills and egos. The peoplewith the rgo's and wills declared it a war well before understanding their enemy.

one society attacks another because it believes it's the right thing to do. that is a war. trying to turn the reapers into misunderstood heroes by saying they aren't at war is insane.
"we're uplifting you to a higher realm of existence" both shep and catalyst ignored this gem from the codex "the reaper's obliterated smaller cites." the big burning city on palaven too. i know what you'll say, it's a tactic to create submission, and squash resistance. a tactic of war mind you.
the reapers use war tactics to destroy other civilisations for idealogical reasons. but they aren't at war. because their general says so. great ending.

But the reaper are going to war because they think it's the right thing to do. They are doing it because their programming tells them to. They never made a choice. They were forced into it.

synthetic says programming, organic says beliefs, i believe this theme was thoroughly explored in me2? and reolved if i remember correctly. course this is all a moot point since the catalyst is so much more than a simple a.i, and actually gets offended (i suppose he was programmed to be offended right?) when you suggest it.
 
dude it's a cringe worthy line, that made many a person cringe. it didn't for you, so hey, tell us one that did so we can leave this back and forth limbo

[o Ventus]

dreman9999 wrote...

1. Yes, it does. Their is not one socitaty or advace sociaty that does not us it to help advance them. Even the computers we us need the knowlegde  of  fire to be made.

We have used fire to advance. No one is arguing this point. You can stop enforcing it now.

2.Yes, they are. The gears, wires, andcomputer borads made to get them needed fore to make them. Your have to  heat metal to make wire, and melt oil oil  to make plastic.
No matter how you cut it. No fire. No advancement.

What the hell is oil oil? Oil extracted from oil? Plastics? Plastics are mostly synthetic. While petroleum is an ingredient in plastics, they hardly make up the bulk of the end product.

3.No I'm not.My arguement alwasy was about advvancement and the base element needed. You miss the fact I mean foundation.

You literally said "fire is the center of our technology", but now you're saying "fire is only a part of our technology".

edit: I should clarify on the cooking food point. You don't cook all food with fire, and not all means of cooking utilize fire. Microwaves, for example.

Modifié par o Ventus, 21 octobre 2012 - 01:30 .

[dreman9999]

Tomwew wrote...



synthetic says programming, organic says beliefs, i believe this theme was thoroughly explored in me2? and reolved if i remember correctly. course this is all a moot point since the catalyst is so much more than a simple a.i, and actually gets offended (i suppose he was programmed to be offended right?) when you suggest it.
 
dude it's a cringe worthy line, that made many a person cringe. it didn't for you, so hey, tell us one that did so we can leave this back and forth limbo

You not getting that we have have the ability to turn ageinst learned beliefs and /or evolve them. We can change ourselve.

A machine locked to do what it's programed to do can't. That is the difference. That is why they have no will. 
The catalyst many not be a simple AI...But it still is a shackled one.
As I said befor ego does not equal free will.

The line is not cringe worthy because you don't understand it.

Modifié par dreman9999, 21 octobre 2012 - 01:39 .

[dreman9999]

o Ventus wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

1. Yes, it does. Their is not one socitaty or advace sociaty that does not us it to help advance them. Even the computers we us need the knowlegde  of  fire to be made.

We have used fire to advance. No one is arguing this point. You can stop enforcing it now.

2.Yes, they are. The gears, wires, andcomputer borads made to get them needed fore to make them. Your have to  heat metal to make wire, and melt oil oil  to make plastic.
No matter how you cut it. No fire. No advancement.

What the hell is oil oil? Oil extracted from oil? Plastics? Plastics are mostly synthetic. While petroleum is an ingredient in plastics, they hardly make up the bulk of the end product.

3.No I'm not.My arguement alwasy was about advvancement and the base element needed. You miss the fact I mean foundation.

You literally said "fire is the center of our technology", but now you're saying "fire is only a part of our technology".

edit: I should clarify on the cooking food point. You don't cook all food with fire, and not all means of cooking utilize fire. Microwaves, for example.

1. Then I'm right and there is no point for you to argue.
2. Plastic is made from [color=rgb(14, 34, 51)">monomers ]monomers [/color]. The majority of the worlds plasitc comes form Oil.  Learn how things are made.

3.Yes, that still means foundation. Center and foundation is use for decription as under the same idea.

"I should clarify on the cooking food point. You don't cook all food with fire, and not all means of cooking utilize fire. Microwaves, for example."
The parts made to make that microwave is made with the knowledge of fire. Blanket that statement with all you points  from now on.

Modifié par dreman9999, 21 octobre 2012 - 01:50 .

[Tomwew]

[quote]dreman9999 wrote...

[quote]Tomwew wrote...


[/quote]
synthetic says programming, organic says beliefs, i believe this theme was thoroughly explored in me2? and reolved if i remember correctly. course this is all a moot point since the catalyst is so much more than a simple a.i, and actually gets offended (i suppose he was programmed to be offended right?) when you suggest it.
 
dude it's a cringe worthy line, that made many a person cringe. it didn't for you, so hey, tell us one that did so we can leave this back and forth limbo
[/quote]
You not getting that we have have the ability to turn ageinst learned beliefs and /or evolve them. We can change ourselve.

A machine locked to do what it's programed to do can't. That is the difference. That is why they have no will. 
The catalyst many not be a simple AI...But it still is a shackled one.
As I said befor ego does not equal free will.

The line is not cringe worthy because you don't understand it.

[/quote]
the catalyst CHOSE to create reapers and CHOSE the cycle it CHOSE to be the cleansing fire and CHOSE to have his reaper ARMY attack civilisations. we have a difference of interpretation, it's what happens when you make your story up as you go and make it vague and self contradictory. take a gander at x-files and lost, great shows but the stories turned to swill.

Modifié par Tomwew, 21 octobre 2012 - 01:41 .

[o Ventus]

dreman9999 wrote...

1. Then I'm right and there is no point for you to argue.

Nobody was ever arguing against that point. You, for whatever reason, just felt like pushing it.

2. Plastic is made from monomers. The majority of the worlds plasitc comes form Oil.  Learn how things are made.

Did I or did I not say that petroleum is in plastics? Again, nobody is arguing against that. Plastics (modern plastics) are largely comprised or synthetic components. Oil is there, but it is not the active ingredient.

3.Yes, that still means foundation. Center and foundation is use for decription as under the same idea.

This doesn't even address my post.

"I should clarify on the cooking food point. You don't cook all food with fire, and not all means of cooking utilize fire. Microwaves, for example."
The parts made to make that microwave it made with the knowledge of fire. Blanket that statement with all you points  from now on.

What? Microwaves come from microwave ovens, which were derived from World War 2 radar technology. Where does "fire" come in with that?

Modifié par o Ventus, 21 octobre 2012 - 01:45 .

[dreman9999]

o Ventus wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

1. Then I'm right and there is no point for you to argue.

Nobody was ever arguing against that point. You, for whatever reason, just felt like pushing it.

2. Plastic is made from monomers. The majority of the worlds plasitc comes form Oil.  Learn how things are made.

Did I or did I not say that petroleum is in plastics? Again, nobody is arguing against that. Plastics (modern plastics) are largely comprised or synthetic components. Oil is there, but it is not the active ingredient.

3.Yes, that still means foundation. Center and foundation is use for decription as under the same idea.

This doesn't even address my post.

"I should clarify on the cooking food point. You don't cook all food with fire, and not all means of cooking utilize fire. Microwaves, for example."
The parts made to make that microwave it made with the knowledge of fire. Blanket that statement with all you points  from now on.

What? Microwaves come from microwave ovens, which were derived from World War 2 radar technology. Where does "fire" come in with that?

1.Then way are you still argueing with me over the issue the fire isthe center of our tech still?
2.You still need the help of fire to make plastic. Which is my point.
3.Yes it does.
4. Please reread what I said.....It started with the statement.."The parts made to make that microwave..."

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

I can't find any.

[Deadlysyns]

Fire and Heat are not the Same you can create Heat without fire

[dreman9999]

[quote]Tomwew wrote...

[quote]dreman9999 wrote...

[quote]Tomwew wrote...


[/quote]
synthetic says programming, organic says beliefs, i believe this theme was thoroughly explored in me2? and reolved if i remember correctly. course this is all a moot point since the catalyst is so much more than a simple a.i, and actually gets offended (i suppose he was programmed to be offended right?) when you suggest it.
 
dude it's a cringe worthy line, that made many a person cringe. it didn't for you, so hey, tell us one that did so we can leave this back and forth limbo
[/quote]
You not getting that we have have the ability to turn ageinst learned beliefs and /or evolve them. We can change ourselve.

A machine locked to do what it's programed to do can't. That is the difference. That is why they have no will. 
The catalyst many not be a simple AI...But it still is a shackled one.
As I said befor ego does not equal free will.

The line is not cringe worthy because you don't understand it.

[/quote]
the catalyst CHOSE to create reapers and CHOSE the cycle it CHOSE to be the cleansing fire and CHOSE to have his reaper ARMY attack civilisations. we have a difference of interpretation, it's what happens when you make your story up as you go and make it vague and self contradictory. take a gander at x-files and lost, great shows but the stories turned to swill.
[/quote]
The catalyst was forced to by it's programming. The leviathens tell you this. It had not say in the matter.

[DrGunjah]

dreman9999 wrote...
The line is not cringe worthy because you don't understand it.

maybe it's cringe worthy because he doesn't understand it.
After all this talking about fire and what it is capable of and such I wish it could also burn down this quote chains.

@others: when do you guys realize that conventional victory against dreman is not possible?

[dreman9999]

Deadlysyns wrote...

Fire and Heat are not the Same you can create Heat without fire

The knowlegdeof heat came with fire. It's inherite. 
Or do you want to use the blanket term of radiation, becasue that is what fire is. A form of super radiated elements.

Modifié par dreman9999, 21 octobre 2012 - 01:56 .

[dreman9999]

DrGunjah wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
The line is not cringe worthy because you don't understand it.

maybe it's cringe worthy because he doesn't understand it.
After all this talking about fire and what it is capable of and such I wish it could also burn down this quote chains.

So we're clear he doesn't understand it.

[Tomwew]

[quote]dreman9999 wrote...

[quote]Tomwew wrote...

[quote]dreman9999 wrote...

[quote]Tomwew wrote...


[/quote]
synthetic says programming, organic says beliefs, i believe this theme was thoroughly explored in me2? and reolved if i remember correctly. course this is all a moot point since the catalyst is so much more than a simple a.i, and actually gets offended (i suppose he was programmed to be offended right?) when you suggest it.
 
dude it's a cringe worthy line, that made many a person cringe. it didn't for you, so hey, tell us one that did so we can leave this back and forth limbo
[/quote]
You not getting that we have have the ability to turn ageinst learned beliefs and /or evolve them. We can change ourselve.

A machine locked to do what it's programed to do can't. That is the difference. That is why they have no will. 
The catalyst many not be a simple AI...But it still is a shackled one.
As I said befor ego does not equal free will.

The line is not cringe worthy because you don't understand it.

[/quote]
the catalyst CHOSE to create reapers and CHOSE the cycle it CHOSE to be the cleansing fire and CHOSE to have his reaper ARMY attack civilisations. we have a difference of interpretation, it's what happens when you make your story up as you go and make it vague and self contradictory. take a gander at x-files and lost, great shows but the stories turned to swill.
[/quote]
The catalyst was forced to by it's programming. The leviathens tell you this. It had not say in the matter.

[/quote]
didn't buy leviathan, shouldn't have to. his actions suggest otherwise, also a link to the exact quote where leviathan says this.
and come on guy, tell me what lines you found cringeworthy, this thread was fun earlier you know.

[dreman9999]

[quote]Tomwew wrote...

[quote]dreman9999 wrote...

[quote]Tomwew wrote...

[quote]dreman9999 wrote...

[quote]Tomwew wrote...


[/quote]
synthetic says programming, organic says beliefs, i believe this theme was thoroughly explored in me2? and reolved if i remember correctly. course this is all a moot point since the catalyst is so much more than a simple a.i, and actually gets offended (i suppose he was programmed to be offended right?) when you suggest it.
 
dude it's a cringe worthy line, that made many a person cringe. it didn't for you, so hey, tell us one that did so we can leave this back and forth limbo
[/quote]
You not getting that we have have the ability to turn ageinst learned beliefs and /or evolve them. We can change ourselve.

A machine locked to do what it's programed to do can't. That is the difference. That is why they have no will. 
The catalyst many not be a simple AI...But it still is a shackled one.
As I said befor ego does not equal free will.

The line is not cringe worthy because you don't understand it.

[/quote]
the catalyst CHOSE to create reapers and CHOSE the cycle it CHOSE to be the cleansing fire and CHOSE to have his reaper ARMY attack civilisations. we have a difference of interpretation, it's what happens when you make your story up as you go and make it vague and self contradictory. take a gander at x-files and lost, great shows but the stories turned to swill.
[/quote]
The catalyst was forced to by it's programming. The leviathens tell you this. It had not say in the matter.

[/quote]
didn't buy leviathan, shouldn't have to. his actions suggest otherwise, also a link to the exact quote where leviathan says this.
and come on guy, tell me what lines you found cringeworthy, this thread was fun earlier you know.
[/quote]

What actions? You don't even no why it and the reapers do anything in the first place before meeting the catalyst. Before meeting it you can't make heads or tales of the reapers reasoning.

[Deadlysyns]

dreman9999 wrote...

Deadlysyns wrote...

Fire and Heat are not the Same you can create Heat without fire

The knowlegdeof heat came with fire. It's inherite. 
Or do you want to use the blanket term of radiation, becasue that is what fire is. A form of super radiated elements.

most basic form of Heat but not the only Form. Fire is caused by two rocks hit together over dried leaves or something the would is not really Radiated or it would die 

Modifié par Deadlysyns, 21 octobre 2012 - 02:03 .

[dreman9999]

Deadlysyns wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Deadlysyns wrote...

Fire and Heat are not the Same you can create Heat without fire

The knowlegdeof heat came with fire. It's inherite. 
Or do you want to use the blanket term of radiation, becasue that is what fire is. A form of super radiated elements.

most basic form of Heat but not the only Form 

My point is not that it's the only form. My point is we got are most knowlegde of heat from fire not gamma radiation.

The time we started using fire to cook our food means we started to learn how to maipulate heat. That is way are knowlegde of heat is inherite with the knowlegde of fire.

[Tomwew]

[quote]dreman9999 wrote...

[quote]Tomwew wrote...

[quote]dreman9999 wrote...

[quote]Tomwew wrote...

[quote]dreman9999 wrote...

[quote]Tomwew wrote...


[/quote]
synthetic says programming, organic says beliefs, i believe this theme was thoroughly explored in me2? and reolved if i remember correctly. course this is all a moot point since the catalyst is so much more than a simple a.i, and actually gets offended (i suppose he was programmed to be offended right?) when you suggest it.
 
dude it's a cringe worthy line, that made many a person cringe. it didn't for you, so hey, tell us one that did so we can leave this back and forth limbo
[/quote]
You not getting that we have have the ability to turn ageinst learned beliefs and /or evolve them. We can change ourselve.

A machine locked to do what it's programed to do can't. That is the difference. That is why they have no will. 
The catalyst many not be a simple AI...But it still is a shackled one.
As I said befor ego does not equal free will.

The line is not cringe worthy because you don't understand it.

[/quote]
the catalyst CHOSE to create reapers and CHOSE the cycle it CHOSE to be the cleansing fire and CHOSE to have his reaper ARMY attack civilisations. we have a difference of interpretation, it's what happens when you make your story up as you go and make it vague and self contradictory. take a gander at x-files and lost, great shows but the stories turned to swill.
[/quote]
The catalyst was forced to by it's programming. The leviathens tell you this. It had not say in the matter.

[/quote]
didn't buy leviathan, shouldn't have to. his actions suggest otherwise, also a link to the exact quote where leviathan says this.
and come on guy, tell me what lines you found cringeworthy, this thread was fun earlier you know.
[/quote]

What actions? You don't even no why it and the reapers do anything in the first place before meeting the catalyst. Before meeting it you can't make heads or tales of the reapers reasoning.

[/quote]
he made the reapers, action
he enacted the harvest, action
destroyed civilisations, action
subjegated the reapers and apparently left them unaware of this, action
blended organics into people jam, action
all of his own free will. a link to leviathan saying the catalyst is shackled if you will?

and now a joke. what do you call a police officer with no home? hobocop! right?

[dreman9999]

[quote]Tomwew wrote...

[quote]dreman9999 wrote...

[quote]Tomwew wrote...

[quote]dreman9999 wrote...

[quote]Tomwew wrote...

[quote]dreman9999 wrote...

[quote]Tomwew wrote...


[/quote]
synthetic says programming, organic says beliefs, i believe this theme was thoroughly explored in me2? and reolved if i remember correctly. course this is all a moot point since the catalyst is so much more than a simple a.i, and actually gets offended (i suppose he was programmed to be offended right?) when you suggest it.
 
dude it's a cringe worthy line, that made many a person cringe. it didn't for you, so hey, tell us one that did so we can leave this back and forth limbo
[/quote]
You not getting that we have have the ability to turn ageinst learned beliefs and /or evolve them. We can change ourselve.

A machine locked to do what it's programed to do can't. That is the difference. That is why they have no will. 
The catalyst many not be a simple AI...But it still is a shackled one.
As I said befor ego does not equal free will.

The line is not cringe worthy because you don't understand it.

[/quote]
the catalyst CHOSE to create reapers and CHOSE the cycle it CHOSE to be the cleansing fire and CHOSE to have his reaper ARMY attack civilisations. we have a difference of interpretation, it's what happens when you make your story up as you go and make it vague and self contradictory. take a gander at x-files and lost, great shows but the stories turned to swill.
[/quote]
The catalyst was forced to by it's programming. The leviathens tell you this. It had not say in the matter.

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didn't buy leviathan, shouldn't have to. his actions suggest otherwise, also a link to the exact quote where leviathan says this.
and come on guy, tell me what lines you found cringeworthy, this thread was fun earlier you know.
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What actions? You don't even no why it and the reapers do anything in the first place before meeting the catalyst. Before meeting it you can't make heads or tales of the reapers reasoning.

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he made the reapers, action
he enacted the harvest, action
destroyed civilisations, action
subjegated the reapers and apparently left them unaware of this, action
blended organics into people jam, action
all of his own free will. a link to leviathan saying the catalyst is shackled if you will?

and now a joke. what do you call a police officer with no home? hobocop! right?


[/quote]And hears the grand question that helps bring up my point....Why?