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[dreman9999]

Tomwew wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

You mean because the catalyst said it.

Stephen Hawking could have said it and it wouldn't have been any less stupid.

It was telling you in it most basic terms that it and the reaper are tools. How it that retarded? You too busy hating on it to understand it.

If it's trying to draw a comparison between itself and a mindless tool, fire is probably the wrong item to compare to.

Fire is mindless and is our most basic tool. It the center of all our tech. It used fire as an example as  a means to dumbdown thing for you.

All it saying it has no will of it's own and no control of it's nature.

it CHOSE to create reapers, it CHOSE to harvest civilisations, and it CHOSE it's rather flimsy interpratation of just how little can constitute life (people jam does not equal life)
he seems to have choice. more than you know. (on topic bit)

It was made to do that by the faulty programming of the leviathens. It is just doing  what it's programming tells it to do. It has no say or will onthe issue.

[Steelcan]

@Dreman9999. Sovereign begs to differ with you.

[Tomwew]

dreman9999 wrote...

Tomwew wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

You mean because the catalyst said it.

Stephen Hawking could have said it and it wouldn't have been any less stupid.

It was telling you in it most basic terms that it and the reaper are tools. How it that retarded? You too busy hating on it to understand it.

If it's trying to draw a comparison between itself and a mindless tool, fire is probably the wrong item to compare to.

Fire is mindless and is our most basic tool. It the center of all our tech. It used fire as an example as  a means to dumbdown thing for you.

All it saying it has no will of it's own and no control of it's nature.

it CHOSE to create reapers, it CHOSE to harvest civilisations, and it CHOSE it's rather flimsy interpratation of just how little can constitute life (people jam does not equal life)
he seems to have choice. more than you know. (on topic bit)

It was made to do that by the faulty programming of the leviathens. It is just doing  what it's programming tells it to do. It has no say or will onthe issue.

didn't buy leviathan, it's not important to the main plot apparently though so you should be able to prove me wrong without using it. and even if he WAS just following his programming, he wasn't made to make people jam. i believe john connor is at war with skynet in the terminator movies. "but when terminators terminate, are they at war?" yes, as evidenced by the massive, time travelling war they are at.

[Steelcan]

Terminators are actually our friends, with out Skynet to save us, nuclear war would have been inevitable. It's saved us by destroying us,new should be grateful

[dreman9999]

o Ventus wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Fire is mindless and is our most basic tool. It the center of all our tech. It used fire as an example as  a means to dumbdown thing for you.

Fire isn't an autonomous creation that is fully capable of stopping at any time. Fire is also NOT our most basic tool. Not by a long shot. How in the entire f**k is fire the "base of all our tech"?

All it saying it has no will of it's own and no control of it's nature.

It could have compared itself to a gun or bomb and the analogy would be accurate. It could have compared itself to the T-1000 and that would have been okay. What we have now is just retarded.

1.But my point is that catalyst and the reaper have no say on what they do, like how fire has no say to what it burns. The reapers and catalyst have no will of their own. Even there creators say the catalyst is still doing it's programming.
2. Not our most basic tool? Fire requires no cranck, pully, awel, or contaner to use. That makes it our most basic tool.
3. Name one age of Mankind that did not develop with the help of fire. Once you see what the awnser is you'll know fire is the center of all our tech.

[Steelcan]

What about the club? I'm pretty sure the first thing man would invent would be a way to kill fellow man

[CptBomBom00]

Harby-"This hurts you Shepard" or " I know you feel this".

[Tomwew]

dreman9999 wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Fire is mindless and is our most basic tool. It the center of all our tech. It used fire as an example as  a means to dumbdown thing for you.

Fire isn't an autonomous creation that is fully capable of stopping at any time. Fire is also NOT our most basic tool. Not by a long shot. How in the entire f**k is fire the "base of all our tech"?

All it saying it has no will of it's own and no control of it's nature.

It could have compared itself to a gun or bomb and the analogy would be accurate. It could have compared itself to the T-1000 and that would have been okay. What we have now is just retarded.

1.But my point is that catalyst and the reaper have no say on what they do, like how fire has no say to what it burns. The reapers and catalyst have no will of their own. Even there creators say the catalyst is still doing it's programming.
2. Not our most basic tool? Fire requires no cranck, pully, awel, or contaner to use. That makes it our most basic tool.
3. Name one age of Mankind that did not develop with the help of fire. Once you see what the awnser is you'll know fire is the center of all our tech.

2. + 3.the flint and wood we used to make that fire are very upset with you.

Modifié par Tomwew, 21 octobre 2012 - 12:00 .

[dreman9999]

Steelcan wrote...

@Dreman9999. Sovereign begs to differ with you.

EGO does not equal having a will. Saren, TiM and Benezia had ego's but lost their wills.

[dreman9999]

Tomwew wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Fire is mindless and is our most basic tool. It the center of all our tech. It used fire as an example as  a means to dumbdown thing for you.

Fire isn't an autonomous creation that is fully capable of stopping at any time. Fire is also NOT our most basic tool. Not by a long shot. How in the entire f**k is fire the "base of all our tech"?

All it saying it has no will of it's own and no control of it's nature.

It could have compared itself to a gun or bomb and the analogy would be accurate. It could have compared itself to the T-1000 and that would have been okay. What we have now is just retarded.

1.But my point is that catalyst and the reaper have no say on what they do, like how fire has no say to what it burns. The reapers and catalyst have no will of their own. Even there creators say the catalyst is still doing it's programming.
2. Not our most basic tool? Fire requires no cranck, pully, awel, or contaner to use. That makes it our most basic tool.
3. Name one age of Mankind that did not develop with the help of fire. Once you see what the awnser is you'll know fire is the center of all our tech.

3.the flint and wood we used to make that fire are very upset with you.

1. Point  3 is "Name one age of Mankind that did not develop with the help of fire. Once you see what the awnser is you'll know fire is the center of all our tech."

2. Making is not the same as using.

[StarcloudSWG]

Tomwew wrote...

i dunno about thermal clips being part of the me1 gun's design, but if they were, they were different to the ones in two and weren't made to function as space ammo, being ejected and replaced constantly in the heat of battle(see what i did there?) shep's reaction in this case shoul be 'this gun's broken, best find a working one" /sorry still bitter and won't let this go.

That's pretty much what she said. "This pistol's missing its thermal clip." = "This gun is broken." Miranda's response is "There should be a thermal clip in the next room." = "It can be fixed."

[Steelcan]

I'm out for today

[dreman9999]

Steelcan wrote...

What about the club? I'm pretty sure the first thing man would invent would be a way to kill fellow man

So the club is the center of mankinds tech? Not fire that is key to making swords, tools, jewerly, horse shoes, arrow heads and so on?

Modifié par dreman9999, 21 octobre 2012 - 12:11 .

[o Ventus]

dreman9999 wrote...

1.But my point is that catalyst and the reaper have no say on what they do, like how fire has no say to what it burns. The reapers and catalyst have no will of their own. Even there creators say the catalyst is still doing it's programming.

I don't think "give options to a man who plugs a large phallic object into your rear porthole".

2. Not our most basic tool? Fire requires no cranck, pully, awel, or contaner to use. That makes it our most basic tool.

Neither do bone clubs. but your criteria is so arbitrary that it doesn't matter.

3. Name one age of Mankind that did not develop with the help of fire. Once you see what the awnser is you'll know fire is the center of all our tech.

Developing with access to a type of technology does not make it the "center" of our advancement. Technology, by definition, doesn't have a "center", because of the sheer amount of different types of techonology that exist.

[dreman9999]

Tomwew wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Fire is mindless and is our most basic tool. It the center of all our tech. It used fire as an example as  a means to dumbdown thing for you.

Fire isn't an autonomous creation that is fully capable of stopping at any time. Fire is also NOT our most basic tool. Not by a long shot. How in the entire f**k is fire the "base of all our tech"?

All it saying it has no will of it's own and no control of it's nature.

It could have compared itself to a gun or bomb and the analogy would be accurate. It could have compared itself to the T-1000 and that would have been okay. What we have now is just retarded.

1.But my point is that catalyst and the reaper have no say on what they do, like how fire has no say to what it burns. The reapers and catalyst have no will of their own. Even there creators say the catalyst is still doing it's programming.
2. Not our most basic tool? Fire requires no cranck, pully, awel, or contaner to use. That makes it our most basic tool.
3. Name one age of Mankind that did not develop with the help of fire. Once you see what the awnser is you'll know fire is the center of all our tech.

2. + 3.the flint and wood we used to make that fire are very upset with you.

You still did not answer 3...Which is "Name one age of Mankind that did not develop with the help of fire. Once you see what the awnser is you'll know fire is the center of all our tech."

Also, making is not the same as using.

[deatharmonic]

For me? ... The facepalm inducing moment shep says 'HOOYAH'. It sounded so awkward.

[Tomwew]

Steelcan wrote...

Terminators are actually our friends, with out Skynet to save us, nuclear war would have been inevitable. It's saved us by destroying us,new should be grateful

the only way to stop mankind destroying itself in a nuclear war is with nuclear war. i thought logic was meant to be a.i's strong suit?

[DrGunjah]

oh no, dreman finally found this thread... ****'s getting serious

[dreman9999]

o Ventus wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

1.But my point is that catalyst and the reaper have no say on what they do, like how fire has no say to what it burns. The reapers and catalyst have no will of their own. Even there creators say the catalyst is still doing it's programming.

I don't think "give options to a man who plugs a large phallic object into your rear porthole".

2. Not our most basic tool? Fire requires no cranck, pully, awel, or contaner to use. That makes it our most basic tool.

Neither do bone clubs. but your criteria is so arbitrary that it doesn't matter.

3. Name one age of Mankind that did not develop with the help of fire. Once you see what the awnser is you'll know fire is the center of all our tech.

Developing with access to a type of technology does not make it the "center" of our advancement. Technology, by definition, doesn't have a "center", because of the sheer amount of different types of techonology that exist.

1.You miss the part that the catalyst stated that large phallic object pluged intorear porthole gave it more options? What got the catalyst to help Shepard because the crucible gave it a better way to do it's programming and it needed Shepard body as a sample to do it.

It thinks in Values, picking the value that has the bast way to do it's programming. The reaper solution was the high valued solution. When the crucible was pluged in, using it became it's highest value.
2.Bone  clius did not jump start our development. 
3. We would not develop in any way with out the knowlegde of fire. You would not even have the use of the computer your using with out that knowledge. Sorry, fire is the center of all our tech for every age.

Modifié par dreman9999, 21 octobre 2012 - 12:12 .

[Tomwew]

StarcloudSWG wrote...

Tomwew wrote...

i dunno about thermal clips being part of the me1 gun's design, but if they were, they were different to the ones in two and weren't made to function as space ammo, being ejected and replaced constantly in the heat of battle(see what i did there?) shep's reaction in this case shoul be 'this gun's broken, best find a working one" /sorry still bitter and won't let this go.

That's pretty much what she said. "This pistol's missing its thermal clip." = "This gun is broken." Miranda's response is "There should be a thermal clip in the next room." = "It can be fixed."

why would you even pick up a broken gun? why would you assume the missing component to a firearm is anywhere near a medical station/wherever the hell shep is (he doesn't know at this stage)? how does he instantly know how to use this new tech? how does he know how to reload, or what reloading even is, other than vague memories of history class? how do people on the guernsbeck have thermal cllips? why don't thermal clips make sense? why would a galaxy using guns that can fire indefinitly switch to finite ammo? why are there so many unanswerable questionsabout something as simple as the guns? /i must emphasize how much i love me2 but can't seem to shake this thermal clip related bitterness.

[Tomwew]

dreman9999 wrote...

Tomwew wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Fire is mindless and is our most basic tool. It the center of all our tech. It used fire as an example as  a means to dumbdown thing for you.

Fire isn't an autonomous creation that is fully capable of stopping at any time. Fire is also NOT our most basic tool. Not by a long shot. How in the entire f**k is fire the "base of all our tech"?

All it saying it has no will of it's own and no control of it's nature.

It could have compared itself to a gun or bomb and the analogy would be accurate. It could have compared itself to the T-1000 and that would have been okay. What we have now is just retarded.

1.But my point is that catalyst and the reaper have no say on what they do, like how fire has no say to what it burns. The reapers and catalyst have no will of their own. Even there creators say the catalyst is still doing it's programming.
2. Not our most basic tool? Fire requires no cranck, pully, awel, or contaner to use. That makes it our most basic tool.
3. Name one age of Mankind that did not develop with the help of fire. Once you see what the awnser is you'll know fire is the center of all our tech.

3.the flint and wood we used to make that fire are very upset with you.

1. Point  3 is "Name one age of Mankind that did not develop with the help of fire. Once you see what the awnser is you'll know fire is the center of all our tech."

2. Making is not the same as using.

then i submit to you..... the sharpened stick! name me one society that could have developed without it? you can't can you? there that makes me right and you wrong and nyeh nyeh nyeh. ha this guy's funny

[Spectre Impersonator]

I want to throw up when FemShep attempts to flirt with Jacob just because of the way she says every line, like a hooker. "I'm more interested in just "talking" for a bit." Meanwhile Jacob just stands there, clearly not interested.

"You can't help me." Little idiot kid sure didn't help himself.

When Shepard says to Bailey: "Having access to a Spectre's resources could be useful" it seems extremely on the nose.

"Die!" -Benezia

"Shut UP!" -Kai Leng whining in the final battle

"Agreed." -Every character says this too much

[dreman9999]

Tomwew wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Tomwew wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Fire is mindless and is our most basic tool. It the center of all our tech. It used fire as an example as  a means to dumbdown thing for you.

Fire isn't an autonomous creation that is fully capable of stopping at any time. Fire is also NOT our most basic tool. Not by a long shot. How in the entire f**k is fire the "base of all our tech"?

All it saying it has no will of it's own and no control of it's nature.

It could have compared itself to a gun or bomb and the analogy would be accurate. It could have compared itself to the T-1000 and that would have been okay. What we have now is just retarded.

1.But my point is that catalyst and the reaper have no say on what they do, like how fire has no say to what it burns. The reapers and catalyst have no will of their own. Even there creators say the catalyst is still doing it's programming.
2. Not our most basic tool? Fire requires no cranck, pully, awel, or contaner to use. That makes it our most basic tool.
3. Name one age of Mankind that did not develop with the help of fire. Once you see what the awnser is you'll know fire is the center of all our tech.

3.the flint and wood we used to make that fire are very upset with you.

1. Point  3 is "Name one age of Mankind that did not develop with the help of fire. Once you see what the awnser is you'll know fire is the center of all our tech."

2. Making is not the same as using.

then i submit to you..... the sharpened stick! name me one society that could have developed without it? you can't can you? there that makes me right and you wrong and nyeh nyeh nyeh. ha this guy's funny

[color=rgb(170, 170, 170)">So the ]is the center of mankinds tech? Not fire that is key to making swords, tools, jewerly, horse shoes, arrow heads, nails and so on?[/color]

You do know the knowledge of fire help make that computer your typing on...Not a  sharpened stick?..

Modifié par dreman9999, 21 octobre 2012 - 12:25 .

[element eater]

fire is a force of nature we can create and manipulate it, but it is not a tool

[o Ventus]

dreman9999 wrote...

1.You miss the part that the catalyst stated that large phallic object pluged intorear porthole gave it more options? What got the catalyst to help Shepard because the crucible gave it a better way to do it's programming and it needed Shepard body as a sample to do it.

Options that it didn't even need to enact. 

It thinks in Values, picking the value that has the bast way to do it's programming. The reaper solution was the high valued solution. When the crucible was pluged in, using it became it's highest value.

Preserve organics... By regularly comitting genocide against organics. Spotless logic.

2.Bone  clius did not jump start our development.

Bone clubs were primitive human's first weapons. Weapons that allowed us to efficiently hunt animals for food. Totally not important (or the reason early humans could defend themselves against predators) or anything.

3. We would not develop in any way with out the knowlegde of fire. You would not even have the use of the computer your using with out that knowledge. Sorry, fire is the center of all our tech for every age.

How in the unholy hell does fire attribute to computer technology? Computers operate largely on silicon chips and electrical wiring.