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Saren, TIM, and Synthesis. Did we just delay the inevitable?


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Saren

Let's remember the final minutes of ME1. Geth occupiled the Council Chamber. Saren left all geth behind to finish the job himself. At the same time, Nazara phisically attached itself to the Citadel Tower.

Q: If Saren wanted only to hack the system to allow the Citadel to be used as Mass Relay again, why not send a geth to the console, and go back to try to delay Shepard?
A: Geth couldn't perform the task Saren wanted to perform, so it wasn't just a system hack. It was something more.

Q: Something more?
A: Saren was about to "talk" to the Catalyst, and required some time for that "conversation". But he was interupted by Shepard's squad, and so had to fight.

Q: How did Saren knew about the Catalyst?
A: It's possible that the Catalyst recognized Saren's potential, and introduced itself eventually.

Q: Saren's potential?
A: Yes, the same as Shepard's potential - an "organic anomaly".

Q: And what was the point of conversation between the Catalyst and Saren?
A: The same as in case of Shepard - try to find the new solution together.

Q: But there is no Crucible. How could they implement the solution?
A: Nazara connected itself to the Citadel Tower plysically. Saren and the Geth were already inside, so Nazara's goal wasn't system hacking. Reaper dreadnoughts clearly have overpowered energy sources to generate such strong shields and mass effect fields. Nazara could be repurposed before to be used as a Crucible analogy.

Q: Repurposed when and by who?
A: Before the attack on the Citadel, by Saren, Geth, and Nazara itself.

Q: But Saren was already indoctrinated. What's next?
A: Saren clearly wouldn't given Control option, because indoctrinated persons can't be used as a material to create the new Catalyst. Also Saren wouldn't given Destory option, because he didn't want to Destroy the Reapers. So, it's clear that Saren could have only two options available: sacrifice himself to trigger Synthesis, or refuse.

Interesting, isn't it?... Don't you find Saren's attack on the Citadel in ME1 similar to Shepard's attack on Earth in ME3? Both gathered allies to provide a distraction. Both used a "back door" to reach a "hidden consol". The difference is that Saren failed, when was interrupted by Shepard. But Shepard didn't fail, when was interrupted by TIM.



The Illusive Man

Les't remember the final minutes of ME3. TIM was on the Citadel and tried to mind-control wounded Shepard, but failed. Shepard managed to deal with TIM, and proceed.

Q: But what if TIM wouldn't fail? What will he do next?
A: Talk to the Catalyst obviously.

Q: But TIM was already indoctrinated. What's next?
A: TIM clearly wouldn't given Control option, because indoctrinated persons can't be used as a material to create the new Catalyst. Also TIM wouldn't given Destory option, because he didn't want to Destroy the Reapers. So, it's clear that TIM could have only two options available: sacrifice himself to trigger Synthesis, or refuse.

Both Saren and TIM aren't look like refusers. They would sacrifice themselves for the greater good without any doubts, no matter they are both pure renegades. So maybe we actually interrupted Synthesis attempt in ME1 without even knowing about that? And did exactly the same thing in ME3 in case if Shepard didn't choose Synthesis ending?



Maybe Synthesis is indeed the inevitable thing no matter how we delay it, by Refusing, by Destorying, or by Controlling? The history will always repeat itself till the final solution will be applied.



P.S. Even considering everything that was said above, I still prefer Control ending Image IPB 

Modifié par Seival, 20 octobre 2012 - 05:41 .


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If it is inevitable then you HAVE to choose synthesis, otherwise you are just wasting time

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I thought it was inevitable that synthetics would wipe out organics if the reapers didnt intervine?

But synthesis is also inevitable? wat


lying piece of ****


ps, destroy

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Destroy the reapers. Then let it occur naturally. This way, it won´t harm, at least.

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Samtheman63 wrote...

I thought it was inevitable that synthetics would wipe out organics if the reapers didnt intervine?

But synthesis is also inevitable? wat



lying piece of ****


ps, destroy


]Image IPB

Modifié par Mdoggy1214, 20 octobre 2012 - 05:30 .


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Vigilant111 wrote...

If it is inevitable then you HAVE to choose synthesis, otherwise you are just wasting time


After some few iterations of temporary solutions, someone HAS to choose something final. And Synthesis in the only thing that looks really final and solid.

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Argolas wrote...

Destroy the reapers. Then let it occur naturally. This way, it won´t harm, at least.

naturally? what are you smoking?

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The Catalyst didn't think it was possible until the Crucible was connected. If there was another way it wouldn't have been bothering with the cycle that it deemed a massive failure when Shepard got there.

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Argolas wrote...

Destroy the reapers. Then let it occur naturally. This way, it won´t harm, at least.


And what if we really interrupted Saren from performing the Synthesis?
 
Imagine, how many lives could be saved by "not stopping the Saren".

Modifié par Seival, 20 octobre 2012 - 05:33 .


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Seival wrote...

till the final solution will be applied.

lulz

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1. starjar, was not thought of until ME3
2. saren was already controlled by the reapers, he never could have been the "anomaly"

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Seival wrote...

Argolas wrote...

Destroy the reapers. Then let it occur naturally. This way, it won´t harm, at least.


And what if we really interrupted Saren from performing the Synthesis?
 
Imagine, how many lives could be saved by "not stopping the Saren".


I actually tried that once.

I got a game over screen.

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Seival wrote...

Argolas wrote...

Destroy the reapers. Then let it occur naturally. This way, it won´t harm, at least.


And what if we really interrupted Saren from performing the Synthesis?
 
Imagine, how many lives could be saved by "not stopping the Saren".


Saren didn't have enough points in Magic to make it happen.

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Lizardviking wrote...

Seival wrote...

Argolas wrote...

Destroy the reapers. Then let it occur naturally. This way, it won´t harm, at least.


And what if we really interrupted Saren from performing the Synthesis?
 
Imagine, how many lives could be saved by "not stopping the Saren".


I actually tried that once.

I got a game over screen.


Game over for Shepard, but not for the entire galaxy. This is quite possible.

I don't want to say that Shepard was wrong. It was Saren's fault - he just failed to provide Shepard with enough info on the matter. Why? Because he hates humans and don't want to talk to them too much.

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Nice OP. I know you don't get on with the IT guys, or me or any other 'sympathisers', but it's a shame because I think if we pooled our resources instead of fighting, we could get to the bottom of this game.

I am the Shepard. United people of BSN, unite! We can figure this out I swear.

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Seival wrote...

Nazara could be repurposed before to be used as a Crucible analogy.
 


wat

This makes zero sense. If the Reapers can be repurposed into Crucible-esque devices, why didn't they do this in previous cycles?

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Seival wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

Seival wrote...

Argolas wrote...

Destroy the reapers. Then let it occur naturally. This way, it won´t harm, at least.


And what if we really interrupted Saren from performing the Synthesis?
 
Imagine, how many lives could be saved by "not stopping the Saren".


I actually tried that once.

I got a game over screen.


Game over for Shepard, but not for the entire galaxy. This is quite possible.

I don't want to say that Shepard was wrong. It was Saren's fault - he just failed to provide Shepard with enough info on the matter. Why? Because he hates humans and don't want to talk to them too much.

or because he was indoctrinated by a race of killer robots hell bent on slaugthering billions of people every 50k years

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Shadrach 88 wrote...

Seival wrote...

Nazara could be repurposed before to be used as a Crucible analogy.
 


wat

This makes zero sense. If the Reapers can be repurposed into Crucible-esque devices, why didn't they do this in previous cycles?




Because they didn't have "organic anomalies" like Saren, TIM, and Shepard in previous Cycles.

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Seival wrote...
And what if we really interrupted Saren from performing the Synthesis?
 
Imagine, how many lives could be saved by "not stopping the Saren".

"I'm not doing this for myself. Don't you see?"-Saren Arterius

Modifié par LDS Darth Revan, 20 octobre 2012 - 05:56 .


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Davik Kang wrote...

Nice OP. I know you don't get on with the IT guys, or me or any other 'sympathisers', but it's a shame because I think if we pooled our resources instead of fighting, we could get to the bottom of this game.

I am the Shepard. United people of BSN, unite! We can figure this out I swear.

there is nothing to "figure out" he is pulling **** out of his ass.

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Seival wrote...

Argolas wrote...

Destroy the reapers. Then let it occur naturally. This way, it won´t harm, at least.


And what if we really interrupted Saren from performing the Synthesis?
 
Imagine, how many lives could be saved by "not stopping the Saren".


1. Saren favored subjugation, not Synthesis.

2. The Catalyst (as a plot element) didn't exist in ME1.

3. Saren tells you to your face that his plan is to call in the rest of the Reapers from dark space for a harvest.

4. Synthesis (as a plot element) didn't exist in ME1.

Modifié par o Ventus, 20 octobre 2012 - 05:58 .


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LDS Darth Revan wrote...

Seival wrote...
And what if we really interrupted Saren from performing the Synthesis?
 
Imagine, how many lives could be saved by "not stopping the Saren".

"I'm not doing this for myself. Don't you see?"-Saren Arterius

- An Indcontrinated Saren Aterius

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This is little more than outlandish speculation based on interpretative evidence. I could just as easily cook up a theory stating that Saren is using Nazara to open the relay to summon a horde of intergalactic ice-cream trucks.

Modifié par Shadrach 88, 20 octobre 2012 - 05:59 .


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Seival wrote...

Because they didn't have "organic anomalies" like Saren, TIM, and Shepard in previous Cycles.


Says who? You?

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Seival wrote...

Shadrach 88 wrote...

Seival wrote...

Nazara could be repurposed before to be used as a Crucible analogy.
 


wat

This makes zero sense. If the Reapers can be repurposed into Crucible-esque devices, why didn't they do this in previous cycles?




Because they didn't have "organic anomalies" like Saren, TIM, and Shepard in previous Cycles.


That makes absolutely no sense.

Sovereign, a Reaper, can't be "repurposed" into a Crucible.