Demon560 wrote...
(1) And yet the Reapers situation is very similar, they give one a vital task in their invasions and no one else, if it fails then they find other ways or just fufill their plans the long way. Anyways, that's why you have bodygaurds/Geth to protect the him, I seriously doubt they had a back-up plan, Sarens likely hood of failure was unlikely, the only reason that Saren failed was because Vigil helped Shepard out, without it Nazara's plan would have succeeded, so Naz already knew they were going to succeed, the only thing it did not count on was Prothean interference.
(2) Now you see the issue with your idea, if you believe the Leader of all Reapers, the one that gave them the perfected version of brainwashing-indoctrination, the one that ordered the creation of the Relays and Citadell, and the one in command, can not simply mind control/converse with them through a form of telepathy or indoctrination then you just mocked the reapers and the Levi's psychic abilities, or better yet why not simply send a Hologram like Harby did to communicate with them during the Arrival DLC.
(3) Anomaly's don't seem to be its interested, where do you get this from, Shepard is not exactly all that important to the Catalyst, if someone else had docked the Crucible pretty sure they would be communicating with the Kid, Synthesis is only possible when the kid and crucible deem it so(based on how many ems you have), and I guess being a Hybrid is also required, but saying that Shep is an anomaly because of his/her's existance and nothing else, yeah no, Shep was aided along the way by the Protheans, they made his/her successes possible, without them Shep would probably be dead already and the cycle at an end in ME1.
(4)Ok, they were not fully indoctrinated, they were close, could barely control themselves, and again you should not try mixing the intent of the previous games to the ending of anothe, needing to indoctrinate someone to get their complete compliance already seems like what the Catalyst was doing was wrong, Indoctrination damages the mind and brainwashes you in short, not similar to charm, tell that to DR.hensen Arrival, paragon or renegade= her blowing herself up regardless.
(5) Yes, but you never say what it takes to be labeled an anomaly or evidence to support it being needed for Synthesis to be possible, all that I know from the game is that before the ME3 ending it was not possible, Crucible changed it and acted like a battery, and it also needed an Organic-Synthetic Hybrid to choose it, nothing else, not to mention DLC-Javick seemed like the equivalent of Shep, just Prothean and had to live through failure.
(6) So now it has favorites, Now whose giving AI's human qualities, would you rather take a one in six chance at a $1mill. or a sure thing at 500,000, possibility and the reactions of one is unknown, the other sample is predictable and under control, It should use logic rather than preference.
(7) So all those talks about Saren fearing destruction, about needing to be useful to stay alive, and that the reapers were going to destroy us was him liying, and the him finally deciding to shoot himself was because Shepard convinced him that forcing everyone to advance was wrong, yeah their I have an issue, huskifying him would not Benefit Na. even stated by Saren on Virmire, it would happen eventually. Looking back at it, just makes things more awkward, the only sure sign of it's success was Shep's ressurection, trying to say it was always one of their ideas is just off and you know it, they did not plan all of the ME trilogy, they changed things as they went along and kind of rushed when they ran out of time, this ending like the Rest are pretty much taken out of Dues Ex:human Revolution, except they actually eased into those options.
(8) Building an aliiance with the Reapers, the Geth joined Naz, not Saren, Saren on contact would have been destroyed, anyways he was promised a "reprieve from his fate" I have not heard this to ever be a good thing or be a sign of willing trust.
(9) So TIM not even turning around is not sufficient evidence and TIM getting angry about his inability to do anything himself is not enough evidence, if the console was locked TIM would have atleast gone over to it or even turned around to face it, even anderson was facing it before TIM got their.
(10) So it was not a fight for control against the Reapers, come on now your trying to rewrite their Characters and situations, TIM and Saren both had blood on their hands before they augmented themselves and knew it, It's like your ignoring the Dialogue when they try to help/fight the reapers control, in a way it was the Catalyst fault, since it's all the Reapers collective, but yeah they killed themselves to help Shep and prevent the Reapers from further controlling them and screwing them up even worse, not just Shep using guilt, it's telling Saren/TIM "Your being controlled fight it, you are stronger than them".
(12) Do you mean in the case of Governments, the Universe, life itself, action, or something else? all have exceptions, freedom is as much an illusion as your free will and choices in life, the law is as much a cage as it is a shield, if you want full freedom, chaos or nature will provide you with all the freedom you desire, though with the cage gone you also lose the shield. But anyways back to this, Control and Synthesis, both seem like the solutions that work for the Short term, having the most positive effect in the now, while destroy seems to be the oppisite to me, having the worst effect now, but being a better long term solution.
(1) Those geth were not bodyguards. They were ground attack force. And leaving the ground attack force without vital tactical info make no sence at all. The attack on the Citadel was too important for the enemy to make it depend on only one unit. Saren isn't an "invulnorable Reper ship". He is tough, but can be killed like anyone else. It's obvious that all vital info was shared. And it's obvious that geth couldn't perform the task because it was unable to do that physically, not bocause of lack of info.
(2) There is no issue in that. Indoctrination ability is very limited. There are two facts. First - Leviathns can't control the entire civilizations, otherwize there was no organic-vs-synthetic problem. Second - one Leviathan can't directly control several people at the same time - two Brutes fighting each other in the end of the DLC prove that. Reapers' indoctrination is no better, i.e. very limited.
Why not use a hologram? For obvious reason: Catalyst didn't have any hardware for that in Council chamber, and in Inner chamber.
(3) Catalyst speaks of Shepard as about exceptional individual and extremely rare entity, which it never met in previous cycles. And Leviathan proves that Shepard is an anomaly. This is more than enough to say that only anomaly can make Synthesis or Control happen.
(4) Shepard was also under Reaper's influence in Arrival, and didn't blow herself. Shepard was also under Leviathan's influence, and didn't want to commit the suicide either. So it only depends on if the Reaper/Leviathan really wants to harm you when it can avoid doing that.
(5) The answer is the same as in (3).
(6) Catalyst knows that Shepard is more reasonable than TIM. So, probability of Shepard choosing Destroy was the same as probability of TIM choosing Refusal. Besides, Catalyst knows that Synthesis is inevitable. If it will not be performed now, it will be performed later. The final minutes of the game is a trial. Catalyst wants to find out if lesser beings are really ready for the Synthesis. And Catalyst doesn't have to worry about its destruction, because before the permanent solution the history will keep repeating itself, and the Leviathans are still out there.
(7) Saren's understanding of the situation could take place during the entire ME1. On Virmire he was close to full understanding, but still had some unanswered questions. That's why Saren thought that he will be harvested eventually. And Saren clearly didn't want to share everything he knows to the person, who will most likely never believe him.
The endings were not "taken" from DE:HR. BioWare just used similar concept. They maybe didn't plan the entire story from the beginning, but they made brilliant story and its ending eventually.
(8) I really doubt Saren joined the Reapers just to live a few years more. He is not that kind of person. I think it's obvious that Saren cooperated willingly.
(9) TIM's behavior can't disprove the fact that console was locked until Shepard tried to use it. And only Catalyst could lock the console.
(10) That's the point. They didn't kill themselves to help Shepard. Saren and TIM knew about Reaper powers, and about Reaper ability to possess someone completely (even if the indoctrinated person was killed). Their suicides would never help anyone. They just decided to punish themselves for all deaths they caused, nothing more.
(12) Exactly. And without that "shield" you will die. Life can't exist without control. Society can't exist without control. That's why desiring freedom means deluding yourself. And that's why freedom is an illusion.
Control is not the permanent solution, but it's nice way to delay Synthesis for its proper implementation in the future. And Synthesis itself is the only way to solve organic-vs-synthetic problem forever. Without merging organics and synthetics into the one entity the history will always repeat itself.
Modifié par Seival, 28 octobre 2012 - 02:45 .
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, he could just let the reapers in... /thread.
