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[masster blaster]

dreman9999 wrote...

Drewton wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Ya it's inevitable. Oh wait I picked Destroy.

Yeah, and in destroy, the Crucible is destroyed, so synthesis can't happen again unless organics make another crucible to combat nonexistant Reapers.

The use of the crucible is justoneversion of it. Tell be a time when is vendered outin the street with people buying it like iphones.

I would never take it.

[GethPrimeMKII]

"There's no convincing argument for synthesis, only convincing arguments for who to shoot for believing in synthesis."
-Honey Badger.

[dreman9999]

masster blaster wrote...

Drewton wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Ya it's inevitable. Oh wait I picked Destroy.

Yeah, and in destroy, the Crucible is destroyed, so synthesis can't happen again unless organics make another crucible to combat nonexistant Reapers.

And who is to say the cycle won't start over. Do you really believe the
star brat said would come true/ Maybe, and maybe not. The future generations have the power to do it again, however in this time, and
present everyone is at peace.

Think about it this way. Let's say you here about a device that is like a smart phone but needs to be implaned into you and the way they do it is injecting you with nano machines. And the use of nano machines is common place and you were raised with it and you have no problem with it.


That is sysnthesis.

[mvaning]

dreman9999 wrote...

mvaning wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

mvaning wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

mvaning wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

mvaning wrote...

Symbiosis and Synthesis are two different th


ngs. The middle choice(synthesis) is not symbiosis.

Enlighten me why they arenot thesame thing?

If it because oneif force, then you missed the point. Only the catalyst verison is force. It will happen even with out doing it his way.

No, it has nothing to do with force.   They are two terms used to describe two different things. 

Symbiosis is, "Interaction between two different organisms living in close physical association, typically to the advantage of both."

Synthesis is "the combining of separate elements or substances to form a coherent whole."

In Symbiosis, the two things that are joined maintain their identity.   In Synthesis, the things that are combined become something new. 

These are two different definitions.     When you are in high school chemistry lab, if you combine vinegar and baking soda, you are "synthesising" a new molecule.    That is not the same as a symbiotic relationship that exists between two species. 

If you don't believe me, then just remember I told you so when you get an F in Chemistry.

Dude...Look up Endosymbiotic theory or coral reef while your at it.

Dude, stop looking for science on wikipedia and actually read about what you are talking about.       Endosymbiotic relationships are NOT synthesis. 

And howis not? Mind you, his is a theory with a concept  of two differnet bactria forming together to work as singual celluar unit.

How is  a mechanical unit implanted into an organic to imporve said organic  not the same case?

I just qouted to you the verbatum definitions of Synthesis and Symbiosis.   They are different, they are not the same.   How much more explaining do you need?

Your going to have to understand that the english language uses different words to describe different concepts.   Synthesis is used to describe one concept , analogous to

X + Y = Z

Symbiosis is used to describe a different concept, analogous to

X + Y = XY


I could go get my college biology books and verbatum qoute them too, but they aren't going to be much different. 

Endosymbiotic Theory is a theory, not a word that can be simply defined within a dictionary.  

Synthesis isthe combination of oranic and sythetic down to the dna.

That's x+y=xy

Symbiosis , as you said  , is x+y=xy

That is what you're not getting.
Synthesis is this...

Synthesis is the combination of (2) two different things to become (1) new thing.     The old (2) two things are GONE, no longer exist, byebye, they are now something new.
Thus

X + Y = Z          X and Y are GONE.     Z has been made from them.


Symbiosis is the combination of two different organisms for a relationship.

X + Y = XY    X and Y still exist, but now they CO-exist.     

Synthesis, in Mass Effect, is X + Y = Z.     The catalyst even states that all organic and synthetic life will be given a new DNA from the combination of Synthetic and organic DNA.      Human DNA is now GONE, say goodbye to it, it is now history.     It is now a new, reborn DNA.      Thus, it is not Symbiosis. 


What you are trying to do is tell me that the dictionary definition of Synthesis and Symbiosis are wrong because they are not the same definition.   SORRY, I have to agree with the dictionary on this one and we will have to agree to disagree.  

[dreman9999]

masster blaster wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Drewton wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Ya it's inevitable. Oh wait I picked Destroy.

Yeah, and in destroy, the Crucible is destroyed, so synthesis can't happen again unless organics make another crucible to combat nonexistant Reapers.

The use of the crucible is justoneversion of it. Tell be a time when is vendered outin the street with people buying it like iphones.

I would never take it.

You won't but what about people of later generation who sees the use of it as common place.

You saying you won't take it is a pointless as someone saying they would never marry someone of another race who's descents marries someone of another race.

Saying syntheis is  inevitable isjust saying people of furture generation would apply it on themselve of their own free will.

Modifié par dreman9999, 10 février 2013 - 11:27 .

[masster blaster]

dreman9999 wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Drewton wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Ya it's inevitable. Oh wait I picked Destroy.

Yeah, and in destroy, the Crucible is destroyed, so synthesis can't happen again unless organics make another crucible to combat nonexistant Reapers.

And who is to say the cycle won't start over. Do you really believe the
star brat said would come true/ Maybe, and maybe not. The future generations have the power to do it again, however in this time, and
present everyone is at peace.

Think about it this way. Let's say you here about a device that is like a smart phone but needs to be implaned into you and the way they do it is injecting you with nano machines. And the use of nano machines is common place and you were raised with it and you have no problem with it.


That is sysnthesis.

Yet does this change the way you think? I mean in Synthesis everyone is
changed. Not just DNA, but their self's. Javik is at peace? Hackett is
not shown forming a small force to fight the Reapers? Our squad-mates are
at peace, despite the fact they know what the Reapers are about?
Leviathans are what not planning to take over the galaxy again? Everyone
is working with the Reapers a few seconds later despite the bs they
have done to the galaxy. The woman, and children they turned into husk,
genetic material, and killed. Not to mention the soldier who gave their
lives to defended their loved ones, even though they were going to die.
the children have to grow up in Synthesis knowing their parents were
killed by the same monster who are befriending them, or turned their parents into husk.

[mvaning]

Javik wants justice (or revenge?). #destroy

[Indy_S]

My problem with synthesis: What happens when the new form of life decides to create robots? Will they come into conflict? Is the cycle stopped in any way?

[masster blaster]

dreman9999 wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Drewton wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Ya it's inevitable. Oh wait I picked Destroy.

Yeah, and in destroy, the Crucible is destroyed, so synthesis can't happen again unless organics make another crucible to combat nonexistant Reapers.

The use of the crucible is justoneversion of it. Tell be a time when is vendered outin the street with people buying it like iphones.

Yet what you do in synthesis is forcing it on everyone. Yes Destroy you
are killing Synthetics, but everyone knew what the out come might be if
everyone was going to win this war. whether you agree with Destroy, or
not Destroy is the most resolvable way to go even if the prices is a
little high.


I would never take it.

You won't but what about people of later generation who sees the use of it as common place.

You saying you won't take it is a pointless as someone saying they would never marry someone of another race who's decendence marries someone of another race.

Saying syntheis is  inevitable isjust saying people of furture generation would apply it on themselve of their own free will.

[dreman9999]

@mvaning 


In Endosymbiotic Theory, the two biactia the form together were of couse to differnet things. Whne they joined togother they became something that as not their before...An eukaryotic cell.

That still is 2 thing joining together to becaome something new.
And basedon he pic of synthesis I showed, the mechnical and organic partsdid not fuse togehter.
I have to agree with what is shown.

[masster blaster]

mvaning wrote...

Javik wants justice (or revenge?). #destroy

And I can't blame him. He knows what the Reapers are all about. Whether or not what the brat's logic is right, or wrong it was horrific. It didn't really save anyone. Just look at the Reapers we have killed, the galaxy has killed, and the past cycles that have killed Reapers. Did the brat save those Reapers. No they died loosing all those harvested races.


It's both really.

Modifié par masster blaster, 10 février 2013 - 11:24 .

[dreman9999]

masster blaster wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Drewton wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Ya it's inevitable. Oh wait I picked Destroy.

Yeah, and in destroy, the Crucible is destroyed, so synthesis can't happen again unless organics make another crucible to combat nonexistant Reapers.

And who is to say the cycle won't start over. Do you really believe the
star brat said would come true/ Maybe, and maybe not. The future generations have the power to do it again, however in this time, and
present everyone is at peace.

Think about it this way. Let's say you here about a device that is like a smart phone but needs to be implaned into you and the way they do it is injecting you with nano machines. And the use of nano machines is common place and you were raised with it and you have no problem with it.


That is sysnthesis.

Yet does this change the way you think? I mean in Synthesis everyone is
changed. Not just DNA, but their self's. Javik is at peace? Hackett is
not shown forming a small force to fight the Reapers? Our squad-mates are
at peace, despite the fact they know what the Reapers are about?
Leviathans are what not planning to take over the galaxy again? Everyone
is working with the Reapers a few seconds later despite the bs they
have done to the galaxy. The woman, and children they turned into husk,
genetic material, and killed. Not to mention the soldier who gave their
lives to defended their loved ones, even though they were going to die.
the children have to grow up in Synthesis knowing their parents were
killed by the same monster who are befriending them, or turned their parents into husk.

That is a version of it. That does not mean itcan not be done in a different way which is what you are not getting. Just because there is a way the catayst has it does not mean any other way would be exactly thes ame.

[masster blaster]

dreman9999 wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Drewton wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Ya it's inevitable. Oh wait I picked Destroy.

Yeah, and in destroy, the Crucible is destroyed, so synthesis can't happen again unless organics make another crucible to combat nonexistant Reapers.

And who is to say the cycle won't start over. Do you really believe the
star brat said would come true/ Maybe, and maybe not. The future generations have the power to do it again, however in this time, and
present everyone is at peace.

Think about it this way. Let's say you here about a device that is like a smart phone but needs to be implaned into you and the way they do it is injecting you with nano machines. And the use of nano machines is common place and you were raised with it and you have no problem with it.


That is sysnthesis.

Yet does this change the way you think? I mean in Synthesis everyone is
changed. Not just DNA, but their self's. Javik is at peace? Hackett is
not shown forming a small force to fight the Reapers? Our squad-mates are
at peace, despite the fact they know what the Reapers are about?
Leviathans are what not planning to take over the galaxy again? Everyone
is working with the Reapers a few seconds later despite the bs they
have done to the galaxy. The woman, and children they turned into husk,
genetic material, and killed. Not to mention the soldier who gave their
lives to defended their loved ones, even though they were going to die.
the children have to grow up in Synthesis knowing their parents were
killed by the same monster who are befriending them, or turned their parents into husk.

That is a version of it. That does not mean itcan not be done in a different way which is what you are not getting. Just because there is a way the catayst has it does not mean any other way would be exactly thes ame.

And what other way can there be? Please tell me because this is how it should be, and not sunshines and rainbows/ peace across the galaxy. I don't believe this one wave can end the war in synthesis, more like give the galaxy a fighting chance against the Reapers. Synthesis should not end the war period.

[dreman9999]

masster blaster wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Drewton wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Ya it's inevitable. Oh wait I picked Destroy.

Yeah, and in destroy, the Crucible is destroyed, so synthesis can't happen again unless organics make another crucible to combat nonexistant Reapers.

And who is to say the cycle won't start over. Do you really believe the
star brat said would come true/ Maybe, and maybe not. The future generations have the power to do it again, however in this time, and
present everyone is at peace.

Think about it this way. Let's say you here about a device that is like a smart phone but needs to be implaned into you and the way they do it is injecting you with nano machines. And the use of nano machines is common place and you were raised with it and you have no problem with it.


That is sysnthesis.

Yet does this change the way you think? I mean in Synthesis everyone is
changed. Not just DNA, but their self's. Javik is at peace? Hackett is
not shown forming a small force to fight the Reapers? Our squad-mates are
at peace, despite the fact they know what the Reapers are about?
Leviathans are what not planning to take over the galaxy again? Everyone
is working with the Reapers a few seconds later despite the bs they
have done to the galaxy. The woman, and children they turned into husk,
genetic material, and killed. Not to mention the soldier who gave their
lives to defended their loved ones, even though they were going to die.
the children have to grow up in Synthesis knowing their parents were
killed by the same monster who are befriending them, or turned their parents into husk.

That is a version of it. That does not mean itcan not be done in a different way which is what you are not getting. Just because there is a way the catayst has it does not mean any other way would be exactly thes ame.

And what other way can there be? Please tell me because this is how it should be, and not sunshines and rainbows/ peace across the galaxy. I don't believe this one wave can end the war in synthesis, more like give the galaxy a fighting chance against the Reapers. Synthesis should not end the war period.

Synthsis in it base form is just cybernetic implantation. Imagine it not forced without the indoctrination and you have an entirly new version of synthesis right there.

[Drewton]

dreman9999 wrote...

Synthsis in it base form is just cybernetic implantation. Imagine it not forced without the indoctrination and you have an entirly new version of synthesis right there.

Again, how do machines become organic-ish?

[dreman9999]

Drewton wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Synthsis in it base form is just cybernetic implantation. Imagine it not forced without the indoctrination and you have an entirly new version of synthesis right there.

Again, how do machines become organic-ish?

The same way organics become more like synthetics.

It's not them both becoming one. Just co-developing.....

As this picfrom the game shows.

[masster blaster]

dreman9999 wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Drewton wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Ya it's inevitable. Oh wait I picked Destroy.

Yeah, and in destroy, the Crucible is destroyed, so synthesis can't happen again unless organics make another crucible to combat nonexistant Reapers.

And who is to say the cycle won't start over. Do you really believe the
star brat said would come true/ Maybe, and maybe not. The future generations have the power to do it again, however in this time, and
present everyone is at peace.

Think about it this way. Let's say you here about a device that is like a smart phone but needs to be implaned into you and the way they do it is injecting you with nano machines. And the use of nano machines is common place and you were raised with it and you have no problem with it.


That is sysnthesis.

Yet does this change the way you think? I mean in Synthesis everyone is
changed. Not just DNA, but their self's. Javik is at peace? Hackett is
not shown forming a small force to fight the Reapers? Our squad-mates are
at peace, despite the fact they know what the Reapers are about?
Leviathans are what not planning to take over the galaxy again? Everyone
is working with the Reapers a few seconds later despite the bs they
have done to the galaxy. The woman, and children they turned into husk,
genetic material, and killed. Not to mention the soldier who gave their
lives to defended their loved ones, even though they were going to die.
the children have to grow up in Synthesis knowing their parents were
killed by the same monster who are befriending them, or turned their parents into husk.

That is a version of it. That does not mean itcan not be done in a different way which is what you are not getting. Just because there is a way the catayst has it does not mean any other way would be exactly thes ame.

And what other way can there be? Please tell me because this is how it should be, and not sunshines and rainbows/ peace across the galaxy. I don't believe this one wave can end the war in synthesis, more like give the galaxy a fighting chance against the Reapers. Synthesis should not end the war period.

Synthsis in it base form is just cybernetic implantation. Imagine it not forced without the indoctrination and you have an entirly new version of synthesis right there.

Ya, and should it change onces view of how they thought about their enemy all at once? Yet it's forced. Your asking me to view it in a place where it's not being forced/ everyone is not indoctrinated, yet everyone is not acting like theirselves.

[masster blaster]

dreman9999 wrote...

Drewton wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Synthsis in it base form is just cybernetic implantation. Imagine it not forced without the indoctrination and you have an entirly new version of synthesis right there.

Again, how do machines become organic-ish?

The same way organics become more like synthetics.

It's not them both becoming one. Just co-developing.....

As this picfrom the game shows.

Which is wrong. Your violating everyone's genetic background. Your not
just giving them new DNA, but a new person in general. That's what I
call flushing out all that you were, and replacing that missing part of
you with something else.

[dreman9999]

masster blaster wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Drewton wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Ya it's inevitable. Oh wait I picked Destroy.

Yeah, and in destroy, the Crucible is destroyed, so synthesis can't happen again unless organics make another crucible to combat nonexistant Reapers.

And who is to say the cycle won't start over. Do you really believe the
star brat said would come true/ Maybe, and maybe not. The future generations have the power to do it again, however in this time, and
present everyone is at peace.

Think about it this way. Let's say you here about a device that is like a smart phone but needs to be implaned into you and the way they do it is injecting you with nano machines. And the use of nano machines is common place and you were raised with it and you have no problem with it.


That is sysnthesis.

Yet does this change the way you think? I mean in Synthesis everyone is
changed. Not just DNA, but their self's. Javik is at peace? Hackett is
not shown forming a small force to fight the Reapers? Our squad-mates are
at peace, despite the fact they know what the Reapers are about?
Leviathans are what not planning to take over the galaxy again? Everyone
is working with the Reapers a few seconds later despite the bs they
have done to the galaxy. The woman, and children they turned into husk,
genetic material, and killed. Not to mention the soldier who gave their
lives to defended their loved ones, even though they were going to die.
the children have to grow up in Synthesis knowing their parents were
killed by the same monster who are befriending them, or turned their parents into husk.

That is a version of it. That does not mean itcan not be done in a different way which is what you are not getting. Just because there is a way the catayst has it does not mean any other way would be exactly thes ame.

And what other way can there be? Please tell me because this is how it should be, and not sunshines and rainbows/ peace across the galaxy. I don't believe this one wave can end the war in synthesis, more like give the galaxy a fighting chance against the Reapers. Synthesis should not end the war period.

Synthsis in it base form is just cybernetic implantation. Imagine it not forced without the indoctrination and you have an entirly new version of synthesis right there.

Ya, and should it change onces view of how they thought about their enemy all at once? Yet it's forced. Your asking me to view it in a place where it's not being forced/ everyone is not indoctrinated, yet everyone is not acting like theirselves.

Agein, your still looking to much at the catalyst version.
I'm saying look at it in a way were people naturally devolop it as a  technological device via trial and error with out it being forceon everyone and no indoctriantion.

[mvaning]

dreman9999 wrote...

@mvaning 


In Endosymbiotic Theory, the two biactia the form together were of couse to differnet things. Whne they joined togother they became something that as not their before...An eukaryotic cell.

That still is 2 thing joining together to becaome something new.
And basedon he pic of synthesis I showed, the mechnical and organic partsdid not fuse togehter.
I have to agree with what is shown.

AGAIN,   Endosymbiotic Theory is a THEORY, not a dictionary definition.      Why are you trying to say that the definition of Symbiosis is the same as the definition of Synthesis because of Endosymbiotic theory? 

Endosymbioty Theory describes a biological process that involves BOTH symbiosis(biological) and synthesis(chemical).     They are still not the same thing.    Understanding the difference between the two is also very important to understanding how Endosymbiotic Theory works.   

It is a THEORY, not a a DEFINITION.     Synthesis and Symbiosis have two distinct definitions.   They are both importantant to Endosymbiotic Theory.    No, the theory does not make the definitions the same.    The definitions form the basis of the theory, but they are still quite different.

[dreman9999]

masster blaster wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Drewton wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Synthsis in it base form is just cybernetic implantation. Imagine it not forced without the indoctrination and you have an entirly new version of synthesis right there.

Again, how do machines become organic-ish?

The same way organics become more like synthetics.

It's not them both becoming one. Just co-developing.....

As this picfrom the game shows.

Which is wrong. Your violating everyone's genetic background. Your not
just giving them new DNA, but a new person in general. That's what I
call flushing out all that you were, and replacing that missing part of
you with something else.

Take the indoctination out of the sysnthesis and you have a version that is not that.

[Drewton]

No, it's still what masster blaster said even without indoctrination.

[masster blaster]

dreman9999 wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Drewton wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Synthsis in it base form is just cybernetic implantation. Imagine it not forced without the indoctrination and you have an entirly new version of synthesis right there.

Again, how do machines become organic-ish?

The same way organics become more like synthetics.

It's not them both becoming one. Just co-developing.....

As this picfrom the game shows.

Which is wrong. Your violating everyone's genetic background. Your not
just giving them new DNA, but a new person in general. That's what I
call flushing out all that you were, and replacing that missing part of
you with something else.

Take the indoctination out of the sysnthesis and you have a version that is not that.

I am not talking about Indoctrination. And again look at Synthesis everyone is not the same. Everyone may have the same DNA now, but their minds should be the same. Their goals should be the same. Your telling me again to take out the Indoctrination which I don't see, but the person they once were is gone.

[Indy_S]

Since it seems likely that the chemistry in the brain would be altered by the green wave, yeah, that would make somebody new.

[masster blaster]

Drewton wrote...

No, it's still what masster blaster said even without indoctrination.

Thank you. I am not talking about Indoctrination. You changed EVERYONE. Their DNA,. Their PERSONALITYS, and their reason to FIGHT the Reapers. Synthesis should not end the war. This is why synthesis makes no sense.