Indy_S wrote...
Since it seems likely that the chemistry
in the brain would be altered by the green wave, yeah, that would make
somebody new.
Modifié par Drewton, 10 février 2013 - 11:44 .
Endosymbioc theoryis a theory with a strong amount of proof supporting it. We see it with coral reefs and algue and our own egg cells.mvaning wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
@mvaning
In Endosymbiotic Theory, the two biactia the form together were of couse to differnet things. Whne they joined togother they became something that as not their before...An eukaryotic cell.
That still is 2 thing joining together to becaome something new.
And basedon he pic of synthesis I showed, the mechnical and organic partsdid not fuse togehter.
I have to agree with what is shown.
AGAIN, Endosymbiotic Theory is a THEORY, not a dictionary definition. Why are you trying to say that the definition of Symbiosis is the same as the definition of Synthesis because of Endosymbiotic theory?
Endosymbioty Theory describes a biological process that involves BOTH symbiosis(biological) and synthesis(chemical). They are still not the same thing. Understanding the difference between the two is also very important to understanding how Endosymbiotic Theory works.
It is a THEORY, not a a DEFINITION. Synthesis and Symbiosis have two distinct definitions. They are both importantant to Endosymbiotic Theory. No, the theory does not make the definitions the same. The definitions form the basis of the theory, but they are still quite different.
Indy_S wrote...
Since it seems likely that the chemistry in the brain would be altered by the green wave, yeah, that would make somebody new.
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dreman9999 wrote...
Agein, your still looking to much at the catalyst version.masster blaster wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
Synthsis in it base form is just cybernetic implantation. Imagine it not forced without the indoctrination and you have an entirly new version of synthesis right there.masster blaster wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
That is a version of it. That does not mean itcan not be done in a different way which is what you are not getting. Just because there is a way the catayst has it does not mean any other way would be exactly thes ame.masster blaster wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
Think about it this way. Let's say you here about a device that is like a smart phone but needs to be implaned into you and the way they do it is injecting you with nano machines. And the use of nano machines is common place and you were raised with it and you have no problem with it.masster blaster wrote...
Drewton wrote...
Yeah, and in destroy, the Crucible is destroyed, so synthesis can't happen again unless organics make another crucible to combat nonexistant Reapers.masster blaster wrote...
Ya it's inevitable. Oh wait I picked Destroy.
And who is to say the cycle won't start over. Do you really believe the
star brat said would come true/ Maybe, and maybe not. The future generations have the power to do it again, however in this time, and
present everyone is at peace.
That is sysnthesis.
Yet does this change the way you think? I mean in Synthesis everyone is
changed. Not just DNA, but their self's. Javik is at peace? Hackett is
not shown forming a small force to fight the Reapers? Our squad-mates are
at peace, despite the fact they know what the Reapers are about?
Leviathans are what not planning to take over the galaxy again? Everyone
is working with the Reapers a few seconds later despite the bs they
have done to the galaxy. The woman, and children they turned into husk,
genetic material, and killed. Not to mention the soldier who gave their
lives to defended their loved ones, even though they were going to die.
the children have to grow up in Synthesis knowing their parents were
killed by the same monster who are befriending them, or turned their parents into husk.
And what other way can there be? Please tell me because this is how it should be, and not sunshines and rainbows/ peace across the galaxy. I don't believe this one wave can end the war in synthesis, more like give the galaxy a fighting chance against the Reapers. Synthesis should not end the war period.
Ya, and should it change onces view of how they thought about their enemy all at once? Yet it's forced. Your asking me to view it in a place where it's not being forced/ everyone is not indoctrinated, yet everyone is not acting like theirselves.
I'm saying look at it in a way were people naturally devolop it as a technological device via trial and error with out it being forceon everyone and no indoctriantion.
masster blaster wrote...
Drewton wrote...
No, it's still what masster blaster said even without indoctrination.
Thank you. I am not talking about Indoctrination. You changed EVERYONE. Their DNA,. Their PERSONALITYS, and their reason to FIGHT the Reapers. Synthesis should not end the war. This is why synthesis makes no sense.
Indoctriantion is the only way a being mind wouldchange like that. Getting a new cybernetic arm isnot going to do that.masster blaster wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
Take the indoctination out of the sysnthesis and you have a version that is not that.masster blaster wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
The same way organics become more like synthetics.Drewton wrote...
Again, how do machines become organic-ish?dreman9999 wrote...
Synthsis in it base form is just cybernetic implantation. Imagine it not forced without the indoctrination and you have an entirly new version of synthesis right there.
It's not them both becoming one. Just co-developing.....
As this picfrom the game shows.
Which is wrong. Your violating everyone's genetic background. Your not
just giving them new DNA, but a new person in general. That's what I
call flushing out all that you were, and replacing that missing part of
you with something else.
I am not talking about Indoctrination. And again look at Synthesis everyone is not the same. Everyone may have the same DNA now, but their minds should be the same. Their goals should be the same. Your telling me again to take out the Indoctrination which I don't see, but the person they once were is gone.
Modifié par dreman9999, 10 février 2013 - 11:46 .
And neither does Jack.mvaning wrote...
masster blaster wrote...
Drewton wrote...
No, it's still what masster blaster said even without indoctrination.
Thank
you. I am not talking about Indoctrination. You changed EVERYONE. Their
DNA,. Their PERSONALITYS, and their reason to FIGHT the Reapers.
Synthesis should not end the war. This is why synthesis makes no sense.
Javik does not approve of this. #throw it out the airlock
So again, you're talking about something compeltely unrelated to ME3.dreman9999 wrote...
Synthesis is not going to inheritly change a persons personality. That is just exclusive to the catalyst version.
Modifié par Drewton, 10 février 2013 - 11:48 .
No it is not. Chnaging the chemisty of a persons brain so the think and act differently is indoctrination. Synthesis or getting new part to your body does not do this.masster blaster wrote...
Indy_S wrote...
Since it seems likely that the chemistry in the brain would be altered by the green wave, yeah, that would make somebody new.
Yes. Your not giving them juust new DNA, but a newly reborn version of what they once were.
dreman9999 wrote...
Indoctriantion is the only way a being mind wouldchange like that. Getting a new cybernetic arm isnot going to do that.masster blaster wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
Take the indoctination out of the sysnthesis and you have a version that is not that.masster blaster wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
The same way organics become more like synthetics.Drewton wrote...
Again, how do machines become organic-ish?dreman9999 wrote...
Synthsis in it base form is just cybernetic implantation. Imagine it not forced without the indoctrination and you have an entirly new version of synthesis right there.
It's not them both becoming one. Just co-developing.....
As this picfrom the game shows.
Which is wrong. Your violating everyone's genetic background. Your not
just giving them new DNA, but a new person in general. That's what I
call flushing out all that you were, and replacing that missing part of
you with something else.
I am not talking about Indoctrination. And again look at Synthesis everyone is not the same. Everyone may have the same DNA now, but their minds should be the same. Their goals should be the same. Your telling me again to take out the Indoctrination which I don't see, but the person they once were is gone.
Synthesis is not going to inheritly change a persons personality. That is just exclusive to the catalyst version.
It pretty implicitly changes the personality of at least the Geth and EDI.dreman9999 wrote...
No it is not. Chnaging the chemisty of a persons brain so the think and act differently is indoctrination. Synthesis or getting new part to your body does not do this.
dreman9999 wrote...
No it is not. Chnaging the chemisty of a persons brain so the think and act differently is indoctrination. Synthesis or getting new part to your body does not do this.masster blaster wrote...
Indy_S wrote...
Since it seems likely that the chemistry in the brain would be altered by the green wave, yeah, that would make somebody new.
Yes. Your not giving them juust new DNA, but a newly reborn version of what they once were.
No. I am not. The only time in ME a persons peronality changes in ME is indoctrination, which is an effect on the chemical and physical partof the brain.Drewton wrote...
And neither does Jack.mvaning wrote...
masster blaster wrote...
Drewton wrote...
No, it's still what masster blaster said even without indoctrination.
Thank
you. I am not talking about Indoctrination. You changed EVERYONE. Their
DNA,. Their PERSONALITYS, and their reason to FIGHT the Reapers.
Synthesis should not end the war. This is why synthesis makes no sense.
Javik does not approve of this. #throw it out the airlock
"If you screw with my head, made me nod and smile at everything... I'd rather you blew my head off. Let me die as me."So again, you're talking about something compeltely unrelated to ME3.dreman9999 wrote...
Synthesis is not going to inheritly change a persons personality. That is just exclusive to the catalyst version.
Indy_S wrote...
I'm kind of curious how you can change the mentality of everybody to remove conflict (I know that's not what anybody is saying) without changing any part of their personality.
And seriously, how does synthesis stop conflict?
Modifié par masster blaster, 10 février 2013 - 11:52 .
See, when you say all versions of synthesis, it's pretty clear this is unrelated to ME3. There is only one version of synthesis in ME3. The catalyst version. Anything else has nothing to do with the game.dreman9999 wrote...
No. I am not. The only time in ME a persons peronality changes in ME is indoctrination, which is an effect on the chemical and physical partof the brain.
Not all verison of synthesis would inheritly do that.
Modifié par Drewton, 10 février 2013 - 11:54 .
dreman9999 wrote...
No. I am not. The only time in ME a persons peronality changes in ME is indoctrination, which is an effect on the chemical and physical partof the brain.Drewton wrote...
And neither does Jack.mvaning wrote...
masster blaster wrote...
Drewton wrote...
No, it's still what masster blaster said even without indoctrination.
Thank
you. I am not talking about Indoctrination. You changed EVERYONE. Their
DNA,. Their PERSONALITYS, and their reason to FIGHT the Reapers.
Synthesis should not end the war. This is why synthesis makes no sense.
Javik does not approve of this. #throw it out the airlock
"If you screw with my head, made me nod and smile at everything... I'd rather you blew my head off. Let me die as me."So again, you're talking about something compeltely unrelated to ME3.dreman9999 wrote...
Synthesis is not going to inheritly change a persons personality. That is just exclusive to the catalyst version.
Not all verison of synthesis would inheritly do that.
Do you even understand how dna works?masster blaster wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
No it is not. Chnaging the chemisty of a persons brain so the think and act differently is indoctrination. Synthesis or getting new part to your body does not do this.masster blaster wrote...
Indy_S wrote...
Since it seems likely that the chemistry in the brain would be altered by the green wave, yeah, that would make somebody new.
Yes. Your not giving them juust new DNA, but a newly reborn version of what they once were.
Dear lord. It's called rewriting the persons base code. Look at the Geth Heratics in ME2. When you rewrite them all that they were are gone.
Drewton wrote...
See, when you say all versions of synthesis, it's pretty clear this is unrelated to ME3. There is only one version of synthesis in ME3. The catalyst version. Anything else has nothing to do with the game.dreman9999 wrote...
No. I am not. The only time in ME a persons peronality changes in ME is indoctrination, which is an effect on the chemical and physical partof the brain.
Not all verison of synthesis would inheritly do that.
Judging from this quote, I'd say it's a safe bet that organics' personalities will become more like synthetics'.
"As the line between synthetic and organic disappears, we may transcend
mortality itself, to reach a level of existence I cannot even imagine."
That quote also reminds me of Harbinger...
dreman9999 wrote...
Endosymbioc theoryis a theory with a strong amount of proof supporting it. We see it with coral reefs and algue and our own egg cells.mvaning wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
@mvaning
In Endosymbiotic Theory, the two biactia the form together were of couse to differnet things. Whne they joined togother they became something that as not their before...An eukaryotic cell.
That still is 2 thing joining together to becaome something new.
And basedon he pic of synthesis I showed, the mechnical and organic partsdid not fuse togehter.
I have to agree with what is shown.
AGAIN, Endosymbiotic Theory is a THEORY, not a dictionary definition. Why are you trying to say that the definition of Symbiosis is the same as the definition of Synthesis because of Endosymbiotic theory?
Endosymbioty Theory describes a biological process that involves BOTH symbiosis(biological) and synthesis(chemical). They are still not the same thing. Understanding the difference between the two is also very important to understanding how Endosymbiotic Theory works.
It is a THEORY, not a a DEFINITION. Synthesis and Symbiosis have two distinct definitions. They are both importantant to Endosymbiotic Theory. No, the theory does not make the definitions the same. The definitions form the basis of the theory, but they are still quite different.
The only thing need with the theory is see it red handed, with would take life times to do. Added it's so nationally accepect that it impassible to argue agenst.
Sorry, but with it my case is solid.
It's like trying to dissprove the theory of relitivity as a basis.
And if a person becomes part synthetic and possibly immortal, of course there won't be any chemical changes to their mind.dreman9999 wrote...
The only time a person personality changes is if.
A. Physical change to the person mond is applied.
b.chemical changes to the persons mind is a applied.
Modifié par Drewton, 10 février 2013 - 11:59 .
dreman9999 wrote...
Do you even understand how dna works?masster blaster wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
No it is not. Chnaging the chemisty of a persons brain so the think and act differently is indoctrination. Synthesis or getting new part to your body does not do this.masster blaster wrote...
Indy_S wrote...
Since it seems likely that the chemistry in the brain would be altered by the green wave, yeah, that would make somebody new.
Yes. Your not giving them juust new DNA, but a newly reborn version of what they once were.
Dear lord. It's called rewriting the persons base code. Look at the Geth Heratics in ME2. When you rewrite them all that they were are gone.
Hell, it not the same way the geths or any synthetic program code works.
The only time a person personality changes is if.
A. Physical change to the person mond is applied.
b.chemical changes to the persons mind is a applied.
Any a new part to a persons mind,body, or dna does not inheritly do that unless a dna code or stimuli in a part of the brain is there.
If it not there, it will not happen...Which is a version synthesis I am explaining. Geting an implant, or dna change will not inheritly change the way you think.
They're is ony one verion avalible now.That does not mean more then one version will be found later.masster blaster wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
No. I am not. The only time in ME a persons peronality changes in ME is indoctrination, which is an effect on the chemical and physical partof the brain.Drewton wrote...
And neither does Jack.mvaning wrote...
masster blaster wrote...
Drewton wrote...
No, it's still what masster blaster said even without indoctrination.
Thank
you. I am not talking about Indoctrination. You changed EVERYONE. Their
DNA,. Their PERSONALITYS, and their reason to FIGHT the Reapers.
Synthesis should not end the war. This is why synthesis makes no sense.
Javik does not approve of this. #throw it out the airlock
"If you screw with my head, made me nod and smile at everything... I'd rather you blew my head off. Let me die as me."So again, you're talking about something compeltely unrelated to ME3.dreman9999 wrote...
Synthesis is not going to inheritly change a persons personality. That is just exclusive to the catalyst version.
Not all verison of synthesis would inheritly do that.
THERE is only ONE version. It's what you get in front of you. Clearly I
am missing some info because I see everyone being nice to the Reapers,
and that brat didst tell me that everyone would literally change. DNA he was right, however it changed everyone's way of thinking.
In DLC?dreman9999 wrote...
Understand now.
Just because one way of getting some where is here now does not mean another wayc can't be madeor be avalible later.
Drewton wrote...
And if a person becomes part synthetic and possibly immortal, of course there won't be any chemical changes to their mind.dreman9999 wrote...
The only time a person personality changes is if.
A. Physical change to the person mond is applied.
b.chemical changes to the persons mind is a applied.
dreman9999 wrote...
Do you even understand how dna works?masster blaster wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
No it is not. Chnaging the chemisty of a persons brain so the think and act differently is indoctrination. Synthesis or getting new part to your body does not do this.masster blaster wrote...
Indy_S wrote...
Since it seems likely that the chemistry in the brain would be altered by the green wave, yeah, that would make somebody new.
Yes. Your not giving them juust new DNA, but a newly reborn version of what they once were.
Dear lord. It's called rewriting the persons base code. Look at the Geth Heratics in ME2. When you rewrite them all that they were are gone.
Hell, it not the same way the geths or any synthetic program code works.
The only time a person personality changes is if.
A. Physical change to the person mond is applied.
b.chemical changes to the persons mind is a applied.
Any a new part to a persons mind,body, or dna does not inheritly do that unless a dna code or stimuli in a part of the brain is there.
If it not there, it will not happen...Which is a version synthesis I am explaining. Geting an implant, or dna change will not inheritly change the way you think.
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