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[masster blaster]

dreman9999 wrote...

masster blaster wrote...


Again they don't have to have synthesis to solve their problems. Your
using what the brat says to support your say synthesis is the ONLY way
to go. I am here to tell you it's not. It may happen, but it will not
stop conflict, and it should happen naturally, and not forced.

I never said they need to have synthesis to solve their problems. I just said it going to happen one way or another because of technolagical dependency.

ANd what are your evidence to support what your saying. You say synthesis will stop conflict one way, and that's it. Again that's the brat talking, not you.

[Indy_S]

dreman9999 wrote...
Just because we have one road now does not mean we can't build other roads.

But in the game, it's done. That's what we get. Are we to assume that it will be undone and redone in the future? No.

The green wave is THE synthesis. And it's stupid. Wreav becomes peaceful just 'cause. The mind has been changed. The implications are frightening.

[Wayning_Star]

[/quote]

Again they don't have to have synthesis to solve their problems. Your
using what the brat says to support your say synthesis is the ONLY way
to go. I am here to tell you it's not. It may happen, but it will not
stop conflict, and it should happen naturally, and not forced.

[/quote]

we're forced to take the brats words at face value anyway, otherwise the choices and their function are moot. It's all up to the dreaded catalyst to further our goals, no matter what they might be. It's alpha to our beta and the only actual character that has a button to loan Shep to push/select.

there's no time really to worry about 'choice' as those four are all there are and the planet is getting eaten as you wade through the differenciations... wait too long and catalyst goes all reapership on you...hint hint.

The crucible function isn't lasting long, I guess...

[masster blaster]

mvaning wrote...

Technically, changing genes can effect your personality. However, IRL, it is unknown which genes are responsible for personality traits. There is also the whole nature vs nurture debate . .

Which can go on forever, and ever.

[masster blaster]

[quote]Wayning_Star wrote...

[/quote]

Again they don't have to have synthesis to solve their problems. Your
using what the brat says to support your say synthesis is the ONLY way
to go. I am here to tell you it's not. It may happen, but it will not
stop conflict, and it should happen naturally, and not forced.

[/quote]

we're forced to take the brats words at face value anyway, otherwise the choices and their function are moot. It's all up to the dreaded catalyst to further our goals, no matter what they might be. It's alpha to our beta and the only actual character that has a button to loan Shep to push/select.

there's no time really to worry about 'choice' as those four are all there are and the planet is getting eaten as you wade through the differenciations... wait too long and catalyst goes all reapership on you...hint hint.

The crucible function isn't lasting long, I guess...[/quote]

Thaty's why I pick destroy. whether or not the brat is right, I will not pick synthesis. IF the cycle starts over then so be it. THis cycle will be at peace until that time again rises.

Also people can learn from their mistakes, and it's up to the next generation to start this all over again.

Modifié par masster blaster, 11 février 2013 - 12:23 .

[Wayning_Star]

Indy_S wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
Just because we have one road now does not mean we can't build other roads.

But in the game, it's done. That's what we get. Are we to assume that it will be undone and redone in the future? No.

The green wave is THE synthesis. And it's stupid. Wreav becomes peaceful just 'cause. The mind has been changed. The implications are frightening.

why would wreave stand down, why would 'implications' be frightening? What is 'understanding?

These are the things we NEED  to know!

[masster blaster]

Wayning_Star wrote...

Indy_S wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
Just because we have one road now does not mean we can't build other roads.

But in the game, it's done. That's what we get. Are we to assume that it will be undone and redone in the future? No.

The green wave is THE synthesis. And it's stupid. Wreav becomes peaceful just 'cause. The mind has been changed. The implications are frightening.

why would wreave stand down, why would 'implications' be frightening? What is 'understanding?

These are the things we NEED  to know!

And Javik, Hackett, our whole squad former, or current, and everyone else.

I doubt just with one wave He should change his mind at all.

Modifié par masster blaster, 11 février 2013 - 12:25 .

[Wayning_Star]

[quote]masster blaster wrote...

[quote]Wayning_Star wrote...

[/quote]

Again they don't have to have synthesis to solve their problems. Your
using what the brat says to support your say synthesis is the ONLY way
to go. I am here to tell you it's not. It may happen, but it will not
stop conflict, and it should happen naturally, and not forced.

[/quote]

we're forced to take the brats words at face value anyway, otherwise the choices and their function are moot. It's all up to the dreaded catalyst to further our goals, no matter what they might be. It's alpha to our beta and the only actual character that has a button to loan Shep to push/select.

there's no time really to worry about 'choice' as those four are all there are and the planet is getting eaten as you wade through the differenciations... wait too long and catalyst goes all reapership on you...hint hint.

The crucible function isn't lasting long, I guess...[/quote]

Thaty's why I pick destroy. whether or not the brat is right, I will not pick synthesis. IF the cycle starts over then so be it. THis cycle will be at peace until that time again rises.

Also people can learn from their mistakes, and it's up to the next generation to start this all over again.

[/quote]

Like Leviathan learned from mistakes? I know of that feeling that things might just work out. But from the looks of it in the MEU, the working out part is the root of the problem. We're talking billions of years..and still no 'solution'.

Pride is not power. Revenge digs two graves. Some has to go an extra mile, risk it.. Crazy friggen absolute renegade Shepard?

(remember, it all could just be a story by an old star gazer telling war stories to the kid.. But then, why didn't he tell the kid what choice Shep took? Explain the 'results' of the story..weird that.)

[mvaning]

Look, its space magic. You can't possibility understand the mysteries of Aetherium until you have arrived in Sovngarde.

Modifié par mvaning, 11 février 2013 - 12:28 .

[masster blaster]

[quote]Wayning_Star wrote...

[quote]masster blaster wrote...

[quote]Wayning_Star wrote...

[/quote]

Again they don't have to have synthesis to solve their problems. Your
using what the brat says to support your say synthesis is the ONLY way
to go. I am here to tell you it's not. It may happen, but it will not
stop conflict, and it should happen naturally, and not forced.

[/quote]

we're forced to take the brats words at face value anyway, otherwise the choices and their function are moot. It's all up to the dreaded catalyst to further our goals, no matter what they might be. It's alpha to our beta and the only actual character that has a button to loan Shep to push/select.

there's no time really to worry about 'choice' as those four are all there are and the planet is getting eaten as you wade through the differenciations... wait too long and catalyst goes all reapership on you...hint hint.

The crucible function isn't lasting long, I guess...[/quote]

Thaty's why I pick destroy. whether or not the brat is right, I will not pick synthesis. IF the cycle starts over then so be it. THis cycle will be at peace until that time again rises.

Also people can learn from their mistakes, and it's up to the next generation to start this all over again.

[/quote]

Like Leviathan learned from mistakes? I know of that feeling that things might just work out. But from the looks of it in the MEU, the working out part is the root of the problem. We're talking billions of years..and still no 'solution'.

Pride is not power. Revenge digs two graves. Some has to go an extra mile, risk it.. Crazy friggen absolute renegade Shepard?

(remember, it all could just be a story by an old star gazer telling war stories to the kid.. But then, why didn't he tell the kid what choice Shep took? Explain the 'results' of the story..weird that.)[/quote]

Who knows. I been debating this for months now, and it's getting old. I just want to see what this dlc is about, and if it's not good, or is just a dlc with squadmates, and having fun with them, then I am done with Bioware, and ME. I will look forward to Halo, and Gears amd that's it.

[mvaning]

Wayning_Star wrote...


Thaty's
why I pick destroy. whether or not the brat is right, I will not pick
synthesis. IF the cycle starts over then so be it. THis cycle will be at
peace until that time again rises.

Also people can learn from their mistakes, and it's up to the next generation to start this all over again.

Like
Leviathan learned from mistakes? I know of that feeling that things
might just work out. But from the looks of it in the MEU, the working
out part is the root of the problem. We're talking billions of
years..and still no 'solution'.

Pride is not power. Revenge digs two graves. Some has to go an extra mile, risk it.. Crazy friggen absolute renegade Shepard?

(remember,
it all could just be a story by an old star gazer telling war stories
to the kid.. But then, why didn't he tell the kid what choice Shep took?
Explain the 'results' of the story..weird that.)

This is also sort of why I pick destroy.     And also I see forcing our evolution as pointless in the long run. 

Modifié par mvaning, 11 février 2013 - 12:36 .

[Indy_S]

Wayning_Star wrote...
why would wreave stand down, why would 'implications' be frightening? What is 'understanding?

The fact that his personality has been changed implies that there is potential for everybody to have changed. Forcing this change upon everyone, I view as an unethical atrocity. And I have no idea what that understanding is. Making everybody in the world aware of 2 + 2 = 4 would actually change the world in a significant way. And if that understanding was wrong, like 2 + 2 = 3... That's not necessarily better.

[Wayning_Star]

masster blaster wrote...

Wayning_Star wrote...

Indy_S wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
Just because we have one road now does not mean we can't build other roads.

But in the game, it's done. That's what we get. Are we to assume that it will be undone and redone in the future? No.

The green wave is THE synthesis. And it's stupid. Wreav becomes peaceful just 'cause. The mind has been changed. The implications are frightening.

why would wreave stand down, why would 'implications' be frightening? What is 'understanding?

These are the things we NEED  to know!

And Javik, Hackett, our whole squad former, or current, and everyone else.

I doubt just with one wave He should change his mind at all.

Eve will/would straighten out wreve in any event..lol Matriarch has its perks. Personally I didn't hold much for Wreve, counter productive and stubborn, unable to adapt, problematic and socially inept.  Even dumb palm trees learns to bend with the wind...

[masster blaster]

Wayning_Star wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Wayning_Star wrote...

Indy_S wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
Just because we have one road now does not mean we can't build other roads.

But in the game, it's done. That's what we get. Are we to assume that it will be undone and redone in the future? No.

The green wave is THE synthesis. And it's stupid. Wreav becomes peaceful just 'cause. The mind has been changed. The implications are frightening.

why would wreave stand down, why would 'implications' be frightening? What is 'understanding?

These are the things we NEED  to know!

And Javik, Hackett, our whole squad former, or current, and everyone else.

I doubt just with one wave He should change his mind at all.

Eve will/would straighten out wreve in any event..lol Matriarch has its perks. Personally I didn't hold much for Wreve, counter productive and stubborn, unable to adapt, problematic and socially inept.  Even dumb palm trees learns to bend with the wind...

ANd what if shes dead, then what then?

[Wayning_Star]

mvaning wrote...


This is also sort of why I pick destroy.     And also I see forcing our evolution as pointless in the long run. 

cannot force nature, it's an automatic thing if evolution creates the system for it. Sheps decisions will alter nature, but most if not all life forms do that to survive. Its written in their genes through evolution. Of which gives NO choices in it's development of affected cohorts. If you 'are' then you're part of the system..no escape. Shep only gets to choose different paths of instant gratification. Opportunism at best. No garauntee, only some slower than others.

I look at it as an all or nothing thing. Have tech, synthesis eventuality in the MEU,needs based. Absolutely NO tech, is destroy, if destroy doesn't do that, erase tech completely, then it fails to destroy the reaper threat. According to million years old experiment by leviathan intelligence now gone catalyst. All races sent for the crucible, even Leviathan wish it, as it potentially removes it's only natural competition. Other organics in the MEU are not stable enough to take them on. Even IF their numbers are reduced. They've been at it too long. Millions of years of evolution, education, apexness. To the MEU's cycled mele..of confused society. Not good.

(well, you can refuse, but even that is part of a natural exchange of ideas..learning..etc.)

[MrStoob]

Star kid stated that Shep is the first organic to make it that far, so Saren can't have made it that far.  Unless we say the star kid is lying about everything in which case, why jump into any beam of light, shoot pipe, etc. on the basis of someone you think is lying?

[Wayning_Star]

[/quote]

Eve will/would straighten out wreve in any event..lol Matriarch has its perks. Personally I didn't hold much for Wreve, counter productive and stubborn, unable to adapt, problematic and socially inept.  Even dumb palm trees learns to bend with the wind...[/quote]

ANd what if shes dead, then what then?

[/quote]

Hope synthesis cures the genophage. Helps chill Wreve, or better yet put Grunt in charge, he can handle Wreve about as well.

[masster blaster]

And what if grunt is dead, and you already cured the Geno?

[dreman9999]

Drewton wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

masster blaster wrote...


Again they don't have to have synthesis to solve their problems. Your
using what the brat says to support your say synthesis is the ONLY way
to go. I am here to tell you it's not. It may happen, but it will not
stop conflict, and it should happen naturally, and not forced.

I
never said they need to have synthesis to solve their problems. I just
said it going to happen one way or another because of technolagical
dependency.

We will also have wings like planes because of technological and travel dependency

If we want to. That just an extention of technilogical synthesis.

[dreman9999]

Indy_S wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
Just because we have one road now does not mean we can't build other roads.

But in the game, it's done. That's what we get. Are we to assume that it will be undone and redone in the future? No.

The green wave is THE synthesis. And it's stupid. Wreav becomes peaceful just 'cause. The mind has been changed. The implications are frightening.

You mising the fact here the synthesis is stated to be inevitable.That it's going to happen no matter what we pick. That means ify ou don't pick it now itwill happen in the furture anyway.

[Wayning_Star]

MrStoob wrote...

Star kid stated that Shep is the first organic to make it that far, so Saren can't have made it that far.  Unless we say the star kid is lying about everything in which case, why jump into any beam of light, shoot pipe, etc. on the basis of someone you think is lying?

Saren isn't part of the ME3 boss fight, that issue wasn't as advanced, cause the reapership hordes didn't get through, they ended up huffing it. The catalyst only shows on the actual harvests, the reaperships handles about everything but 'stuff' the catalyst deems worth it's time. The crucible is the key there, it 'motivates' the catalyst. Kind of as a 'sign of the times'. Over the cycles though, the crucible was never as constructed. It was flawed, cobbled up, didn't work. The catalyst just ignored it. This cycle, apparently it had the "right stuff" to invoke the crucible to communicate with this cycle. Shep got hired for that job.

Its un provable, but it seems like other choices were attempted, control, as the protheans through Javik suggested others tried it, like TIM, but only slowed the cycle some.Frustrated the Prothean cycle as well, dooming them. The image of Anderson up there with Shep suggests that destroy was attempted before, but apparently the crucible was defective, as the cycle continued. The choices of refuse and synthesis were somthing new, as neither were shown during the catalyst/Shepard interview.

[masster blaster]

MRS. I am notsaying the brat is lying. I am saying his logic is very flwaed. He believes synthesis is the final stage of evoultion, yet is it? Who knows, and think about it from this way. Yes on a moral ground you have to believe the brat, yet it is up to you to decide how it all ends, and what is the best way to edn ME3. However what the brat doesn't tell you is the total out come. It gives you want you want to hear, yet in Destroy. It says the chaos will come back, yet in the in the slides it doesn't happen. However that's my opinion.

[dreman9999]

masster blaster wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

masster blaster wrote...


Again they don't have to have synthesis to solve their problems. Your
using what the brat says to support your say synthesis is the ONLY way
to go. I am here to tell you it's not. It may happen, but it will not
stop conflict, and it should happen naturally, and not forced.

I never said they need to have synthesis to solve their problems. I just said it going to happen one way or another because of technolagical dependency.

ANd what are your evidence to support what your saying. You say synthesis will stop conflict one way, and that's it. Again that's the brat talking, not you.

I never said it would stop conflict. Just that it will inevitably happen because ofour dependecy of tech

Modifié par dreman9999, 11 février 2013 - 01:00 .

[masster blaster]

Dream if it's going to happen, then let it do so later. Not this way. As I said everyone is changed down to their own selfs whether you disagree with me that fact remains everyone is not theirselves.

I am leaveing this for someone else. I had enough of this about synthetsis.

[Indy_S]

Just out of curiousity, why would you pick this synthesis if it doesn't stop the conflict the Catalyst brings up? I don't believe it would, so I don't pick it. But if it did stop the conflict, how is that not altering somebody's mind?