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[Hanako Ikezawa]

Samtheman63 wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

Seival wrote...
And what if we really interrupted Saren from performing the Synthesis?
 
Imagine, how many lives could be saved by "not stopping the Saren".

"I'm not doing this for myself. Don't you see?"-Saren Arterius

- An Indcontrinated Saren Aterius

Granted, but he wasn't that indoctrinated at that time. And ultimately, in my playthroughs at least, he overcomes indoctrination.

[Seival]

Davik Kang wrote...

Nice OP. I know you don't get on with the IT guys, or me or any other 'sympathisers', but it's a shame because I think if we pooled our resources instead of fighting, we could get to the bottom of this game.

I am the Shepard. United people of BSN, unite! We can figure this out I swear.

Thanks

As I said, I have nothing against "IT"ers and their theory, while none of them tries to "have some fun" in support threads and BSN in general. But when they do, I'm becoming quite angry...

...It's like in case of Refusal ending. I dislike this ending even more than "IT", but still tolerate refusers while they are not trying to make more "conventional victory via refusal" threads.

Modifié par Seival, 20 octobre 2012 - 06:02 .

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Seival wrote...

I'll be blunt and say that this theory is silly.

To begin with, there is no proof that Saren was not there to use the computer in order to open the relays. Everything in the narrative of the trilogy suggests otherwise.

The dialog with the catalyst also suggest that this version of synthesis was not known to be possible until Shepard docks the crucible. If this concept of implenting synthesis was already known, why would the catalyst say "now that we know it is possible..."?

Third. Saren had alot of respect for Shepard at the end of the game, he was quite willing to talk to you nd try to persuade you to join him. Why the hell wouldn't he want to tell you about the catalyst?

Also, how was Saren going to trigger synthesis? There was no energy beam to jump into.

[dreamgazer]

Nihilism. Nothing we do will ever matter, because the same inevitability will come about.

Bulls----t. Roll the dice on life taking a different, natural path.

[Seival]

o Ventus wrote...

Seival wrote...

Because they didn't have "organic anomalies" like Saren, TIM, and Shepard in previous Cycles.

Says who? You?

Says the game. Because we didn't start ME1 with glowing green eyes.

Synthesis possibility is the privilege of our Cycle, not previous ones.

[MegaSovereign]

Seival wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

Seival wrote...

Because they didn't have "organic anomalies" like Saren, TIM, and Shepard in previous Cycles.

Says who? You?

Says the game. Because we didn't start ME1 with glowing green eyes.

Synthesis possibility is the privilege of our Cycle, not previous ones.

...

Synthesis possibility is the privilege of our Cycle, not previous ones

.....

Synthesis possibility is the privelege of our Cycle

WHAT.

[o Ventus]

Seival wrote...

Says the game. Because we didn't start ME1 with glowing green eyes.

Synthesis possibility is the privilege of our Cycle, not previous ones.

The Catalyst tells Shepard to his face that it has tried Synthesis in the past.

How exactly is Synthesis being a possibilty exclusive to our cycle?

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Also, if this is true, then it begs even bigger questions as to why the narrative did not mention Saren (or show him choosing synthesis) during the final conversation with the Catalyst.

[Twinzam.V]

Seival wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

Seival wrote...

Because they didn't have "organic anomalies" like Saren, TIM, and Shepard in previous Cycles.

Says who? You?

Says the game. Because we didn't start ME1 with glowing green eyes.

Synthesis possibility is the privilege of our Cycle, not previous ones.

Just because it might be inevitable doesnt mean its acceptable.
Death is also inevitable, so why we prosecute those who commit genocide? ........... Can i use this excuse to kill someone i hate?

Modifié par Twinzam.V, 20 octobre 2012 - 06:16 .

[Seival]

Lizardviking wrote...

Seival wrote...

I'll be blunt and say that this theory is silly.

(1) To begin with, there is no proof that Saren was not there to use the computer in order to open the relays. Everything in the narrative of the trilogy suggests otherwise.

(2) The dialog with the catalyst also suggest that this version of synthesis was not known to be possible until Shepard docks the crucible. If this concept of implenting synthesis was already known, why would the catalyst say "now that we know it is possible..."?

(3) Third. Saren had alot of respect for Shepard at the end of the game, he was quite willing to talk to you nd try to persuade you to join him. Why the hell wouldn't he want to tell you about the catalyst?

(4) Also, how was Saren going to trigger synthesis? There was no energy beam to jump into.

(1) Saren was stronger than any geth (even geth Prime). It would be logical for him to send some geth to open the relays, and go back to stop Shepard himself.

(2) Catalyst said it performed Synthesis attempts before, but they all failed eventually.

(3) At that moment Saren thought that Shepard will not understand or believe him. And it was true - Shepard would never believe that back in ME1.

(4) "Pillar of light" is just a visual representation of Synthesis in Shepard's and Catalyst's minds. Conversation with the Catalyst was clearly mental. There are no "glass tobes", "control rods", or "pillars of light" on the Citadel's sheathing.

[MegaSovereign]

Seival if you like creating theories then how become you criticize the IT so much?

[o Ventus]

Seival wrote...

(4) "Pillar of light" is just a visual representation of Synthesis in Shepard's and Catalyst's minds. Conversation with the Catalyst was clearly mental. There are no "glass tobes", "control rods", or "pillars of light" on the Citadel's sheathing.

So Control-Shepard is electrocuting himself with blood magic? So Destroy-Shepard is shooting at a blank wall and makes it explode? So Synthesis Shepard just jumps off of the Citadel and dies (actually, that one happens anyway)?

Please tell me you're aware how stupid your post is.

Modifié par o Ventus, 20 octobre 2012 - 06:20 .

[Village_Idiot]

Seival wrote...


(4) "Pillar of light" is just a visual representation of Synthesis in Shepard's and Catalyst's minds. Conversation with the Catalyst was clearly mental. There are no "glass tobes", "control rods", or "pillars of light" on the Citadel's sheathing.

If we're going to base this argument on intangible, non-falsifiable evidence then this is an utterly ridiculous debate.

"Are we allowing dreams into evidence now?"

Modifié par Shadrach 88, 20 octobre 2012 - 06:19 .

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Shadrach 88 wrote...
"Are we allowing dreams into evidence now?"

"How can I defend my innocence against this kind of testimony."
"I agree, our judgements must be based on facts and evidence, not wild imaginings and reckless speculations."

Modifié par LDS Darth Revan, 20 octobre 2012 - 06:24 .

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Seival wrote...

(1) Saren was stronger than any geth (even geth Prime). It would be logical for him to send some geth to open the relays, and go back to stop Shepard himself.

Seival, I hate this use this but... Have you ever considered that this is a story and in stories, the villains usually love to send their henchman before them to stop you and carry out their evil schemes themselves?

(2) Catalyst said it performed Synthesis attempts before, but they all failed eventually.

Yet this version of synthesis was not known to be possible before.

(3) At that moment Saren thought that Shepard will not understand or believe him. And it was true - Shepard would never believe that back in ME1.

Yet he tried to persuade you anyway... So again, why did he not bother mentiom this important detail.

(4) "Pillar of light" is just a visual representation of Synthesis in Shepard's and Catalyst's minds. Conversation with the Catalyst was clearly mental. There are no "glass tobes", "control rods", or "pillars of light" on the Citadel's sheathing.

So now we have entered a quasi-IT discussion?

Okay, **** it. I am out of here.

Modifié par Lizardviking, 20 octobre 2012 - 06:26 .

[Seival]

o Ventus wrote...

Seival wrote...

Says the game. Because we didn't start ME1 with glowing green eyes.

Synthesis possibility is the privilege of our Cycle, not previous ones.

The Catalyst tells Shepard to his face that it has tried Synthesis in the past.

How exactly is Synthesis being a possibilty exclusive to our cycle?

As I already said: Synthesis become possible thanks to "organic anomaly" called Shepard.

And it looks like Saren and TIM were exactly the same "organic anomaly". Galaxy just didn't have someone like them before.

[Bill Casey]

o Ventus wrote...

1. Saren favored subjugation, not Synthesis.

"I won't let it happen to me"

Modifié par Bill Casey, 20 octobre 2012 - 06:31 .

[o Ventus]

Bill Casey wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

1. Saren favored subjugation, not Synthesis.

"I won't let it happen to me"

Is submission not preferable to extinction?

[Spectre Impersonator]

 These fools can't accurately predict how evolution will go, especially since fusion of organics and synthetics requires human intervention. That's not evolution. Destroy the bastards and let the universe progress naturally.

[Davik Kang]

Seival wrote...
(4) "Pillar of light" is just a visual representation of Synthesis in Shepard's and Catalyst's minds. Conversation with the Catalyst was clearly mental. There are no "glass tobes", "control rods", or "pillars of light" on the Citadel's sheathing.

Many other theories suggest this too.  Doesn't need to be about indoctrination, but it does suggest that many interpretations of this game are more similar than we usually assume.

[Bill Casey]

o Ventus wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

1. Saren favored subjugation, not Synthesis.

"I won't let it happen to me"

Is submission not preferable to extinction?

Which is "not happening to him" because he's Sovereign's "ally"...

Modifié par Bill Casey, 20 octobre 2012 - 06:33 .

[Argolas]

Samtheman63 wrote...

Argolas wrote...

Destroy the reapers. Then let it occur naturally. This way, it won´t harm, at least.

naturally? what are you smoking?

Natural Synthesis is like what happens to EDI and Legion who adapt to organics.

[MegaSovereign]

o Ventus wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

1. Saren favored subjugation, not Synthesis.

"I won't let it happen to me"

Is submission not preferable to extinction?

Yes.

[o Ventus]

Bill Casey wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

1. Saren favored subjugation, not Synthesis.

"I won't let it happen to me"

Is submission not preferable to extinction?

Which is "not happening to him" because he's Sovereign's "ally"...

Not happening to him... Yet.

[Steelcan]

The Catalyst has no intention of helping organics, he only wants Synthesis when his own existence is on the line. He has every reason to present synthesis as a good thing and destroy as a bad choice. Until his own existence was at stake he was fine to let the cycles continue. Wish I could have asked him "if synthesis is really inevitable why do you need the cycles?"