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[Texhnolyze101]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

jtav wrote...

It's hilarious. In the OE, everyone knew what the clip meant. Hence the complaint about requiring MP to get it. And now it's ambiguous? Despite additional different scenes added.

Shepard doesn't get out of the rubble thus hes dead.

Dead people don't breath, dear heart.

Bioware seems to think its his last breath.

[shepskisaac]

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

Unless i see shep get out of that rubble im going to assume hes dead.

Avoiding the anser to the question so I take that you admit that the latter is how the miracle survival is announced to the audience (be it in movies, TV shows etc) and thet you and me have seen it hunderds of times already but you're just gonna say "well nope, he dead untill I get more cutscenes I want!"?

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

Bioware seems to think its his last breath.

Which is why they used a construct that is used to announce survival miracle, labeled the file "Shepard lives", wrote that he survives in their internal script notes that got leaked with November beta, made a "Lived to fight again" story flag, created exclusive scene in which the LI doesn't put Shep's nameplate on a wal where dead people are honorued and exclusive slides with Miranda & Jack waiting for Shep to return that appear only when you get this breathe scene? Suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuure they totally made it his 'last breath scene' and Mike Gamble mocked it himself saying "well because a giant piece of metal may fall on his head 5 seconds later" because he also totally thinks it's his last breath

Modifié par IsaacShep, 21 octobre 2012 - 12:26 .

[Tomwew]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Tomwew wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

All they needed to do was get shepard out of the rubble and have a scene of a hurt shep talking and painfully laughing with garrus or whoever you brought with you

But how do you know he won't fall and die in the next 5 minutes from internal injuries after taking that lil walk? You just said you don't headcanon yet you totally headcanoned that everything will be fine.

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

i don't like ambiguity in any fashion.

Must suck to be you while reading most books/watching most movies/playing most games. But anyway, the breath scene is so simple and obvious in its message you have to convince yourself otherwise that it's anything but "yay shep will live!" ending on Bioware's part

.......................but HOW?

Mass Effect fields and Future Medicine.

that's like explaining vamp's invincibility with "nanotech" and that's it. bit unsatisfying and wishy washy.

[jtav]

And what pray tell would be the purpose of the LI magically knowing not t put his name on the wall? Every time--every time--I've seen that used, it means the hero is alive.

[Spectre Impersonator]

I'd like to add my signature to this letter. It's been said by pretty much everyone but Bioware is deaf to what the fans want these days. Even most people who think the endings are great as they are take no issue with at least giving us the OPTION.

If they really think the intake of breath counts as closure, I'm done with Bioware games. They cannot be trusted and it's not worth getting emotionally invested in something they clearly don't care about.

[clennon8]

Dear Bioware,

Screw you and your ripped off, theme-murdering endings.

[Texhnolyze101]

IsaacShep wrote...

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

Unless i see shep get out of that rubble im going to assume hes dead.

Avoiding the anser to the question so I take that you admit that the latter is how the miracle survival is announced to the audience (be it in movies, TV shows etc) and thet you and me have seen it hunderds of times already but you're just gonna say "well nope, he dead untill I get more cutscenes I want!"?

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

Bioware seems to think its his last breath.

Which is why they used a construct that is used to announce survival miracle, labeled the file "Shepard lives", wrote that he survives in their internal script notes that got leaked with November beta, made a "Lived to fight again" story flag, created exclusive scene in which the LI doesn't put Shep's nameplate on a wal where dead people are honorued and exclusive slides with Miranda & Jack waiting for Shep to return that appear only when you get this breathe scene? Suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuure they totally made it his 'last breath scene' and Mike Gamble mocked it himself saying "well because a giant piece of metal may fall on his head 5 seconds later" because he also totally thinks it's his last breath

Unlesss it happens in-game it doesn't matter hes still laying dead in some rubble since he never got up.

[Spectre Impersonator]

Tomwew wrote...
that's like explaining vamp's invincibility with "nanotech" and that's it. bit unsatisfying and wishy washy.

Just so! But it's even worse because it's the life of our main character here! Vamp is whatever, he was just some ****** we eventually killed. But Shepard means so much more.

[shepskisaac]

101ezylonhxeT wrote...
Unlesss it happens in-game it doesn't matter hes still laying dead in some rubble

101ezylonhxeT wrote...
hes still laying dead in some rubble

101ezylonhxeT wrote...
Unlesss it happens in-game

But he's breathing = not dead. So you've just destroyed your own argument because "lying dead in some rubble" did not happen in-game. Ooops

Modifié par IsaacShep, 21 octobre 2012 - 12:37 .

[Texhnolyze101]

IsaacShep wrote...

101ezylonhxeT wrote...
Unlesss it happens in-game it doesn't matter hes still laying dead in some rubble

101ezylonhxeT wrote...
hes still laying dead in some rubble

101ezylonhxeT wrote...
Unlesss it happens in-game

But he's breathing = not dead. So you've just destroyed your own argument because "lying dead in some rubble" did not happen in-game. Ooops

It sure as hell doesn't show him living either since bioware stated it could be his dying breath so saying hes alive means nothing either.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

jtav wrote...

It's hilarious. In the OE, everyone knew what the clip meant. Hence the complaint about requiring MP to get it. And now it's ambiguous? Despite additional different scenes added.

Shepard doesn't get out of the rubble thus hes dead.

Dead people don't breath, dear heart.

Bioware seems to think its his last breath.

Two people at Bioware have been known to troll. The file says ShepardAlive.bik. It doesn't get more definitive than that. That's not how dying people breathe. So Shepard got found and rescued by someone ... we'll call her... Cpl Engle.

The problem here is that one of the writers stepped in it at SDCC. That wasn't good. Honestly the writer should have stayed with the party line instead of being contrarian. And that's how the mess got more aggravated. You don't poke wounded bears with sticks.

But the thing with head canons and open endings is that you can have "fun" with people. You can play with your food. It's not nice to do that, but it can be done. I do it, too, just for fun.

[shepskisaac]

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

It sure as hell doesn't show him living either

Urhm, hi, dead corpses don't breathe, ya know.

[Tomwew]

JohnShepard12 wrote...

Tomwew wrote...
that's like explaining vamp's invincibility with "nanotech" and that's it. bit unsatisfying and wishy washy.

Just so! But it's even worse because it's the life of our main character here! Vamp is whatever, he was just some ****** we eventually killed. But Shepard means so much more.

he lives because of an implication that he lives, regardless of whether that makes sense or not (reaper laser, two bullets, and multiple explosions seem an unlikely list of things to survive) imgine at the end of death note light opens one eye, and says "not today" and it ends. that makes no sense. this makes no sense, it doesn't fit, therefore you must acquit.

[Texhnolyze101]

IsaacShep wrote...

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

It sure as hell doesn't show him living either

Urhm, hi, dead corpses don't breathe, ya know.

Then the bioware employee who said its his last breath is a liar and shepard should have gotten out of the rubble i'm not going to headcannon anything because their to ****ing lazy to do their job.

[Texhnolyze101]

scyphozoa wrote...

This has been discussed to death. Breath scene is deliberately put there so the player can choose how to interpret the ending. Bioware didn't give you a happy ending when Shep stands up and dusts off the rubble, but if you want to imagine that he did, then they created a scenario where that is possible.

If you are like me and think that Shepard is fatally wounded and gasps his final, dying breath, then I also have a scene which allows me to interpret this sequence of events.

I shouldn't have to imagine any damn thing hes either dead or alive i'm not going to playing any ****ing head games with them since it does not happen IN THE DAMN GAME IT DOESN'T MATTER!.

[shepskisaac]

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

Then the bioware employee who said its his last breath is a liar and shepard should have gotten out of the rubble i'm not going to headcannon anything because their to ****ing lazy to do their job.

They're also saying "IT could or could not be true". Do you need them to show you in-game or state it totally ain't true to know yourself that it simply ain't true and Bioware never planned/did "it was just a dram, Shep was taking a nap"? Bioware simply entered "we're not saying anything anymore" mode after the ending ****storm. That doesn't change what they obviously intended - Best Destroy's reward is Shep's survival and the ending wasn't just Shep taking a nap after being tickled by Harby's laser.

Modifié par IsaacShep, 21 octobre 2012 - 12:54 .

[Texhnolyze101]

IsaacShep wrote...

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

Then the bioware employee who said its his last breath is a liar and shepard should have gotten out of the rubble i'm not going to headcannon anything because their to ****ing lazy to do their job.

They're also saying "IT could or could not be true". Do you need them to show you in-game or state it totally ain't true to know yourself that it simply ain't true and Bioware never planned/did "it was just a dram, Shep was taking a nap"? Bioware simply entered "we're not saying anything anymore" mode after the ending ****storm. That doesn't change what they obviously intended - Best Destroy's reward is Shep's survival and the ending wasn't just Shep taking a nap after being tickled by Harby's laser.

If the IT isn't true then they need to come out and say it and stop wasting peoples damn time because its not funny nor are they all that clever as they like think they are.

[shepskisaac]

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

If the IT isn't true then they need to come out and say it and stop wasting peoples damn time because its not funny nor are they all that clever as they like think they are.

Well, but for whatever reason they decided to go into 'no answers whatsoever' mode instead. If you asked them these days  "was Shep a professional ballerina?" they would say the same "could or could not be, it's up to you". So best thing to do is go for what was always clear as the intention - Shep survival in Best Destroy, no IT, no professional ballerina

Modifié par IsaacShep, 21 octobre 2012 - 01:03 .

[Texhnolyze101]

IsaacShep wrote...

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

If the IT isn't true then they need to come out and say it and stop wasting peoples damn time because its not funny nor are they all that clever as they like think they are.

Agree, but for whatever reason they decided to go into 'no answers whatsoever' mode instead. If you asked them "was Shep a professional ballerina" they would say the same "could or could not be, it's up to you".

Then all they are doing is wasting peoples time and i find it rather pathetic that they aren't adult enough to just come out and say IT isn't true or to just give people a straight answer on whether shepard is canonically dead or alive.

Modifié par 101ezylonhxeT, 21 octobre 2012 - 01:05 .

[essarr71]

Would it be more adult to have shep wearing a tshirt that says, "I'm alive!"?

If Shep is dead the scene is pointless. The variation of the wall scene has no relevence. If you want to ignore file names, thats fine (naive, I think, but fair), but there is no point to having these scenes if "a piece of metal falls on sheps head" immediately after.

But hey, that could happen right after he stood up from the rubble too, ya know?

Modifié par essarr71, 21 octobre 2012 - 01:15 .

[Texhnolyze101]

essarr71 wrote...

Would it be more adult to have shep wearing a tshirt that says, "I'm alive!"?

If Shep is dead the scene is pointless. The variation of the wall scene has no relevence. If you want to ignore file names, thats fine (naive, I think, but fair), but there is no point to having these scenes if "a piece of metal falls on sheps head" immediately after.

But hey, that could happen right after he stood up from the rubble too, ya know?

Doesn't change the fact that its stupid, lazy and pathetic and the file name means nothing unless i see shepard alive get out of that rubble and call for evac but since that doesn't happen i'm going to assume he died right there and that's that i'm not going to waste my time thinking of some the writer should have done from the start.

[essarr71]

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

Doesn't change the fact that its stupid, lazy and pathetic and the file name means nothing unless i see shepard alive get out of that rubble and call for evac but since that doesn't happen i'm going to assume he died right there and that's that i'm not going to waste my time thinking of some the writer should have done from the start.

Can you at least leave the ball before you go home?  Some still want to play. 

Modifié par essarr71, 21 octobre 2012 - 01:22 .

[shepskisaac]

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

i'm going to assume he died right there and that's that

And you're gonna assume it based on your own headcanon (which you said you don't do) because last you see him his alive. Again, corpses don't breathe. I'm using your own "what's shown in-game" argument against your "well then I'm just gonna be convinced he's dead!".

Modifié par IsaacShep, 21 octobre 2012 - 01:23 .

[Texhnolyze101]

IsaacShep wrote...

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

i'm going to assume he died right there and that's that

And you're gonna assume it based on your own headcanon (which you said you don't do) because last you see him his alive. Again, corpses don't breathe. I'm using your own "what's shown in-game" argument against your "well then I'm just gonna be convinced he's dead!".

That was before the tube blew up in his face and he apparently survived a fall back to earth without a helmet and takes a breath that could either mean its a dying breath a breath of life but since bioware likes ambiguity we will never know for sure and i will forever be without an absolute conclusion because of stupid ****ing art.

Modifié par 101ezylonhxeT, 21 octobre 2012 - 01:28 .