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[palmof40sorrows]

Okay, you got me, I made that title DELIBERATELY provacative to get you to read. But really, this is just to share my experiences and thoughts on my favorite new build(s), the original Human Soldier. 

One of the great things about this new challenge system is that it has gotten me to try new weapons that I might not have before. Like the Falcon. I know I know, not a new reveation for most, but for me, it was. And, unsurprisingly, the changes to the Acolyte have been a godsend for this build.

So, it's basically the same build, with the only changes being to the choices in Concussive Shot and Frag Grenades.

The reason it might be "OP" in my opinion, is that I am a supremely average player, and I have been CONSITENTLY topping the scoreboard in both the PUG matches I've played and the private matches with friends I've played. Now, the former is probably a "grain of salt" kind of deal, since most around here regard PUG's in low, eh, regard, but, whatevs. My point is that this HAS to be a decent build if THIS GUY (me) can score tops with it.

Concussive Shot: 4a, 5b (so you don't have to always rely on having Cryo ammo or a Cryo guy with you), 6b
Frag Grenades: 4a, 5b, 6a
Passive: Power Damage/Capacity, Power Damage, Reduced Weapons Weight (I forget what it's called and I just got disconnected from the EA servers shocking I know)
Fitness: Maxed for health and shield recharge

Okay, so, the weapons and gear.  

Gear: Grenade Capacity V
Weapons: Falcon X, Acolyte X


This build and loadout is what I call the 3/4 build. That is, it's OP against 3/4 of the enemies. Why? Because of the damage to organics that you can do with Concussive Shot and Frag Grenades. This build MELTS (as people say around here) Reapers and Collectors (and obviously Cerberus, them being organics and all). Concussive Shot gets a 200 percent damage to organics for 10 seconds evolution, and the Frag Grenade bleed evolution, plus the Armor Damage for the big guys, lets you tear through everything they have. 



The Falcon lets you control spawns if you have the opportunity, and the Acolyte lets you strip barriers and shields with impunity. In the later waves I tend to use the Acolyte, as everything seems to have shields or barriers, but the Falcon is just too useful to discard. With both equipped I have 195 percent cooldown, so why not? 

Oh, and the mods I have on the weapons are capacity and damage for both. 


The other version swaps 4a on CS for 4b (since the Geth tend to cluster and rush in groups, at least, to me) 5b for 5a (so you must use your Cryo Ammo for this) and 6b for 6a (again to help with clustes of Bombers and Hunters Pyros etc)

So, try it out! I think you'll be pleased. If it can work for a mediocre player like myself, it HAS to be good. Enjoy! And good luck out there. 



 

[Teratoid]

...No AR?

Huh.

[Keffie909]

Teratoid wrote...

...No AR?

Huh.

Falcon maybe?

[TCGwasHERE]

no adrenaline rush. hmm

[Jay_Hoxtatron]

Yeah, I'll stay with my no Concussion Shot build and tear **** up with AdreRush.

[Bon3zz1001]

I really don't see why you would skip Adrenaline Rush for Concussive Shot. It instantly reloads your weapon, grants 70% damage boost and boosts shield strength. Your build is essentially useless outside of bronze. Not taking AR is just as stupid as not taking Devastator Mode on the Destroyer. 

I enjoy that you felt the need to reply to my most to simply boost your laughable thread. Get over the truth. 

Modifié par Bon3zz1001, 21 octobre 2012 - 12:41 .

[xcrunr1647]

Topping the board with PuG's isn't hard.

Adrenaline rush simply offers too many positives to give it up in light of a power as mediocre as Concussive Shot, imho.

[Ajax 013]

With his weapon build, not so much. Adrenaline is designed for getting in as much damage in a short space of time as possible. Works well with a rapid fire weapon, but isn't quite as efficient with a slow firing one. Still not what I'd do though., but its your build, and your gameplay style. Kudos to you for using an unusual play style effectively.

[Melee or Die]

I'm glad to see someone trying something that probably wouldn't have. We've got three Human Soldiers, I'll set-up the female one like this and see how it goes. Looking forward to a good time. Thanks for the post!

[hawgwild5757]

Which difficulty levels have you tried this on and what's your extraction rate. My HS builds without AR have sucked on anything other than bronze...but maybe I'm doing it wrong since I've never used the Falcon and Acolyte with the HS.

[Granville8]

Yeah I've been using a similar build on a female...the concussive spam is hilarious with the tech burst patch, you detonate everything and ragdoll anything that isn't heavy. This character turns collectors upside down because concussive just tears barriers to shreads. If someone is using a paladin this character starts to do insane damage, even on gold.

[Cohen le Barbare]

AR offers way too much to pass up IMO. I'd rather trade some points in grenades/CS and max it than ignoring it.
You should try a combo of the following:

6/4/4/6/6 = for a jack of all trades. Use a PPR and what things melt.
6/5/4/5/6 (6/6/3/5/6) = if you want to shoot CS while AR is active
6/3/6/5/6 = if you're more of a bomber.

That class if very malleable.

[Arppis]

Teratoid wrote...

...No AR?

Huh.

It's totaly viable. I played a lot with the build like that in the demo. Works like charm. Concusion shot has never been a bad power, people just overlook it. Fools be those who think it is bad.

Modifié par Arppis, 20 octobre 2012 - 08:18 .

[Imp of the Perverse]

I'm surprised you don't mention incendiary ammo, if this is a CS build.

[Arppis]

Imp of the Perverse wrote...

I'm surprised you don't mention incendiary ammo, if this is a CS build.

I always run mine with distruptor. Tech Bursts, mmm... But yeah, fire explosions now!

[frostycyke]

I always have my Female Human Solider without AR and use CS spam. I keep my weapon loadout light to spam it nonstop and now i can set off Tech explosions left and right. Amazingly fun class.

The human male soldier is the traditional AR with a big gun and smashing face.

[Whole Particle]

Keffie909 wrote...

Teratoid wrote...

...No AR?

Huh.

Falcon maybe?

Adrenaline Rush, not Assault Rifle.

[Black Phantom]

"Overpowered" isn't the word I would use to describe this build.

[Nylon Angel]

I don't use AR either on my Human Soldier.

I find the visual effect gives me a headache, which is a shame as on paper it is an awesome power.

"Your build is essentially useless outside of bronze."

Incorrect, my HFS is my go to for Gold Pugs if I am feeling tired or not playing that well, and know that I can contribute a lot of damage as a team mate. Regularly top two in Gold Pugs with her.

Used the points to tank her health and shields.

Grenade V, Harrier and CS combo makes for devastating results.

If you cannot play the Human Soldier without AR outside of Bronze then thats you not the class thats at fault.

[Cake Tasty]

It's good to try new things though I'd say you're really missing out. Try Adrenaline Rush with

1) Raider shotgun offhost -> Fire 3 shots, AR and then fire 3 more
2) Striker AR -> Ramp up the gun and then when you nearly run out of ammo, AR to blast all the things

You have 2 (3)? Human soldiers basically so it's not like you really need a respec.

[Black Phantom]

Nylon Angel wrote...

I don't use AR either on my Human Soldier.

I find the visual effect gives me a headache, which is a shame as on paper it is an awesome power.

"Your build is essentially useless outside of bronze."

Incorrect, my HFS is my go to for Gold Pugs if I am feeling tired or not playing that well, and know that I can contribute a lot of damage as a team mate. Regularly top two in Gold Pugs with her.

Used the points to tank her health and shields.

Grenade V, Harrier and CS combo makes for devastating results.

If you cannot play the Human Soldier without AR outside of Bronze then thats you not the class thats at fault.

I recently topped the scoreboard of a Gold PUG filled with Piranha GIs and Destroyers using a Geth Engineer with an Arc Pistol.

I'm not on the forum claiming that the Arc Pistol is the optimal weapon choice for the Geth Engineer, if anything it's a testament to how bad PUGs are on average. Any weapon/build/class can be used on the higher difficulties, but your build is not going to compete with a competent player running a build with Adrenaline Rush.

[stayposi1990]

My original ME2 HS build always specced out of Adrenaline Rush. Still never use it, I hate it.

[Cobra5]

palmof40sorrows wrote...

Okay, you got me, I made that title DELIBERATELY provacative to get you to read. But really, this is just to share my experiences and thoughts on my favorite new build(s), the original Human Soldier. 

One of the great things about this new challenge system is that it has gotten me to try new weapons that I might not have before. Like the Falcon. I know I know, not a new reveation for most, but for me, it was. And, unsurprisingly, the changes to the Acolyte have been a godsend for this build.

So, it's basically the same build, with the only changes being to the choices in Concussive Shot and Frag Grenades.

The reason it might be "OP" in my opinion, is that I am a supremely average player, and I have been CONSITENTLY topping the scoreboard in both the PUG matches I've played and the private matches with friends I've played. Now, the former is probably a "grain of salt" kind of deal, since most around here regard PUG's in low, eh, regard, but, whatevs. My point is that this HAS to be a decent build if THIS GUY (me) can score tops with it.

Concussive Shot: 4a, 5b (so you don't have to always rely on having Cryo ammo or a Cryo guy with you), 6b
Frag Grenades: 4a, 5b, 6a
Passive: Power Damage/Capacity, Power Damage, Reduced Weapons Weight (I forget what it's called and I just got disconnected from the EA servers shocking I know)
Fitness: Maxed for health and shield recharge

Okay, so, the weapons and gear.  

Gear: Grenade Capacity V
Weapons: Falcon X, Acolyte X


This build and loadout is what I call the 3/4 build. That is, it's OP against 3/4 of the enemies. Why? Because of the damage to organics that you can do with Concussive Shot and Frag Grenades. This build MELTS (as people say around here) Reapers and Collectors (and obviously Cerberus, them being organics and all). Concussive Shot gets a 200 percent damage to organics for 10 seconds evolution, and the Frag Grenade bleed evolution, plus the Armor Damage for the big guys, lets you tear through everything they have. 



The Falcon lets you control spawns if you have the opportunity, and the Acolyte lets you strip barriers and shields with impunity. In the later waves I tend to use the Acolyte, as everything seems to have shields or barriers, but the Falcon is just too useful to discard. With both equipped I have 195 percent cooldown, so why not? 

Oh, and the mods I have on the weapons are capacity and damage for both. 


The other version swaps 4a on CS for 4b (since the Geth tend to cluster and rush in groups, at least, to me) 5b for 5a (so you must use your Cryo Ammo for this) and 6b for 6a (again to help with clustes of Bombers and Hunters Pyros etc)

So, try it out! I think you'll be pleased. If it can work for a mediocre player like myself, it HAS to be good. Enjoy! And good luck out there. 



 

So um uh.... what difficulty are you playing?

[Nylon Angel]

" Any weapon/build/class can be used on the higher difficulties, but your build is not going to compete with a competent player running a build with Adrenaline Rush."

But I am not trying to compete, I am trying to contribute as a team player to the goal of getting to extraction. If my HFS is in the top two then I have made a good contribution to the teams goal. I have killed a lot of enemies, had fun and not got a headache using one of my favourite builds.

There are always going to be better players than me anyway, I am not a great Gold player, I am a competent Gold player, I do my fair share of the work.

Rather than not use the class at all because the the main power gives me a headache I have found a build that works for me and still contributes to the team.

[StrawHatMoose]

I Have to agree with Ashen here.