49 réponses à ce sujet

[packardbell]

Good morning everyone and thanks for reading my thread!

Anyway according to Sten there are not any Qunari female fighters as they were not chosen for that role at birth so my question is how did the Darkspawn capture Qunari females to breed ogres if there are not any qunari females on the frontlines?

I must of missed something here...

[Ossifer]

The army probably has female medics and cooks and things.

[Rainen89]

Darkspawn when they come to the surface also pillage towns/villages. It would technically explain why we see ogres the least however..

[Sabriana]

Or maybe the darkspawn just snuck in an captured civilian women.

[originalSabZero]

Stubborn_Jelly wrote...

The army probably has female medics and cooks and things.

Actually, I'd doubt that. That would still be too close to the action for women.

The darkspawn probably popped out from the ground as usual, and just grabbed some. Maybe they were out working the fields. Maybe not this blight, but the ones before. Who knows what the lifespan of a broodmother is.

[packardbell]

Makes sense...

[Vaern Sul]

On the Thedas map, you can see that the field where the last archdemon was destroyed (Ayesleigh) is very close to the qunari invaded lands (Rivain, and, we can assume, all the coast close to Seheron and Par Vollen, save the Imperium). So it's likely that when the Darkspawn messed up this part of Thedas, they turned some of the locals qunari to ogre-broodmother.

[Todd23]

I've got to get this out, Qunari have mages, elfs have mages, but dwarfs don't. Yet Genlocks have mages, and Ogres and Shurlocks don't. Either no one thought it through, or they made darkspawn go opposite: Sten said they treat their mages like crap, and since the Qun control breeding, why would they breed more mages? Yet there's a lot of Qunari mages in the game. This suggests it's easy for Qunari to breed mages. When you compare the elf to human ratio in the circle with outside the circle it's clear that elfs get more mages, especially since the Dalish keep their mages. Finnaly, there's more Genlock mages than Hurlock mages. PS: How have they not told us what the deal was with Sandal?

[mousestalker]

Where is there a Qunari mage in the game? In all of the DAO content, I have yet to see one.

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

There are qunari mages in the Marjolaine encounter, actually. I noticed it only the other day.

[Sabariel]

mousestalker wrote...

Where is there a Qunari mage in the game? In all of the DAO content, I have yet to see one.

Marjolaine has two Qunari mages helping her out. They're just as annoying as "regular" mages

[caradoc2000]

I thought those were Tal'Vashoth, not Qunari.

[Glorfindel709]

Sten talks about how they muzzle Qunari mages after cutting their tongues out..

[HolyAvenger]

I actually don't get why any of the armies let women join when fighting darkspawn- given that broodmothers are the source of darkspawn, and that broodmothers are made from capturing various racial females, it seems the height of stupidity to make it easier for darkspawn to capture women and have more broodmothers.



This especially struck me at the time we meet Sigrun and having women in the Legion of the Dead which specifically exists to be in even more dangerous situation and proximity to darkspawn ffs.

[Glorfindel709]

I dont think the existence of Broodmothers is exactly common knowledge though.

[HolyAvenger]

Mmm surely the Grey Wardens and the Legions of the Dead know. Implied the dwarves in general know.

[Glorfindel709]

A) Legion of the Dead isnt known to associate with non-Legionnaires and spend most of their time in the Deep Roads fighting until they die, so if they know I dont think they really get the chance to spread it around

I'm sure that since they never move around alone, it's standard protocol to shoot any Female who is being dragged away *or* make sure that each female knows what will happen to them if they dont kill themselves if all is lost

[Reika]

I didn't get the impression that the dwarves know about broodmothers either. If they did, then Sigrun would've known about it being part of the Legion of the Dead and Oghren (who was also a veteran of the Deep Roads) had never heard of them. Also if you talk with Duncan he says that they don't know how the darkspawn rebuild their numbers between Blights, so for some reason the Wardens didn't know about the Broodmothers either.

[HolyAvenger]

Ok fair enough, my impression was that more people knew about broodmothers (Branka/Hespith etc.)



Sigrun says that she gets captured to turn into a broodmother when we first meet her doesn't she? I can't remember now.

[Glorfindel709]

Sigrun says they were trying to drag her away, like they did with the rest of the Legion. Probably didnt know they'd be turning her into Big, Floppy, and Horrific

[Reika]

What Glor said. One of the options you have to say to Sigrun after you rescue her is that she was being dragged off to become a broodmother. And have the fun of explaining them.

[HolyAvenger]

Right, that was it.





Mmm, ok I'll allow it. Still it seems like this would be one of the first things you'd run around telling people after Orzammar and should become a change in the game world...

[BigBad]

Most people -don't want to know-. You'll notice throughout the game that non-Wardens know almost nothing about darkspawn other than them being rampaging killing machines. That's good enough for them. They don't want to know the horrific details. Just the idea that they'll drag you off alive is so terrible that it's a whispered rumor that most people prefer to scoff at in public.

[Reika]

What BigBad said, though in truth I know that my Warden would've made sure that those in power, especially the dwarves, and Wardens, about the broodmothers.



The only thing I could think about why no one knew about them is that the broodmothers are usually so protected that only Wardens on their Calling might've stood a chance of finding out. I think our Wardens only find out about them is that Branka threw things off for the darkspawn.



Of course I'd still like to know is how Branka made her deal without getting turned into a broodmother herself.



Unless it was with the Architect. And if so, I'm even happier that I killed him.

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

caradoc2000 wrote...

I thought those were Tal'Vashoth, not Qunari.

Urgh.

Ok, let me rephrase: The mages in the Marjolaine encounter are of the same species as Sten.

Glorfindel709 wrote...

I dont think the existence of Broodmothers is exactly common knowledge though.

It's possible that some know of broodmothers but not know how the broodmothers came to be. I mean, we wouldn't know that broodmothers were once dwarf/elf/human/qunari women if Hespith hadn't explained it. Looking at it, you'd never guess it was ever anything but some rare kind of darkspawn that produces other darkspawn.

Edit:

At the same time, how on earth would our PCs know that dwarven broodmothers produce genlocks and other sorts produce whatever just from encountering one broodmother? Sometimes the Codex irritates me like that, giving us information from monsters without explaining how we could possibly know. The only semi-logical explanation would be that someone else in the party knows and explains it after the fight.

These giant, twisted behemoths birth many darkspawn at a time; a single broodmother can create thousands of darkspawn over the course of her lifetime. Each type of darkspawn is born from a different broodmother: Humans produce hurlocks, dwarves produce genlocks, elves give birth to shrieks, and from qunari are born the ogres.

Modifié par Shadow of Light Dragon, 07 janvier 2011 - 07:28 .