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[Xilizhra]

Monica21 wrote...

Just from the title of the DA3, I'm not entirely sure why playing as a race other than human would make sense within the storyline of a game called "Inquisition." Except for Brother Burkel we haven't seen a dwarven Andrastian and we know there aren't dwarven mages. The Dalish followed Andraste but only because "the enemy of my enemy is my friend." Maybe an Elven Mage would make sense, but without knowing what the story is and who your character will actually be, I don't see any race other than human having a vested interest in the outcome of a mage/templar conflict.

Brilliant insight: don't be forced to play as an Andrastian. The religion, in my eyes, completely sucks and I want no part of it whatsoever. The original Inquisition was secular, and the new one could very well be too.

[Shadow Fox]

Xilizhra wrote...

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Heinous idiocy, but they can only do this so many times before screwing the game over completely, and I doubt they will. I'll accept it, but I'll be loading up my forum crossbow.

you could be like me and try to find other games to play.

I like Dragon Age, so this is unlikely as of now.
Unlikely. Not impossible. Which is something I didn't think I'd be saying, but here, I will.

Well it's kind of hard finding games with race options for consoles that aren't woefully outdated.

[MorningBird]

... Well, I was planning to play as a human mage anyway, so I guess I lucked out. XD

I can live without PC races, but then, it was never a deal breaker for me to begin with. It would have been a nice touch, but even in Origins I only ever finished the game as a city elf... I know some people are different and go for max completion with every race, but I was always most invested in my first character, to the point where I didn't want to play the others passed their origin story.

I've probably played DAO with the same Warden 5 times now. >>

Oddly enough, DA2 was the opposite for me. I've got 3 characters going and a 4th planned out, and I STILL have no idea which Hawke I consider to be my 'canon'...

I can kind of understand why the PC is being restricted to human in a game titled DA3 Inquisition, and I'm glad that the option for PC races isn't completely off the table for future installments (as I'd love to return to an elf character somewhere down the line, or even try out a dwarf) but overall, I'm just not bothered by the absence of PC races.

I think I'd be more upset about the absence of origin stories, but I fully admit that's for more selfish reasons (I really want to play as a circle mage! XD)

[EpicBoot2daFace]

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

Satyricon331 wrote...

Cinematic design, no race customization... yay for the people who like that, but I just don't feel any enthusiasm for Bioware anymore.

edit: what dheer said.  The only bone they've thrown so far to the people who disliked DA2 but liked DAO (that I know of) is their decision not to recycle levels.

Looks like I'll be sticking with Skyrim and whatever new DLC they release. At least with that game I can actually choose from multiple races in a fantasy game.

"Dragonborn" is the next DLC coming up, according to rumors. I thought Skyrim had a good story, and I liked Paarthurnax's philosophical outlook on the possibility of a new world arising from the end of the current one.

Also, Project Eternity is supposed to have multiple races as well for the protagonist. Lot of talented people working on that game.

Yes, I heard about that. Dawnguard was great, but I wanted to go to a different land. Dragonborn sounds like my kind of DLC.

I have faith in Project Eternity. It's too bad I can't say the same for Bioware. Obsidian knows how to make RPG's and New Vegas is one of the best RPG's I've played this generation. Where Bioware fails (always trying to find ways and make excuses to cut the RPG out of the game) Obsidian will hopefully succeed.

Eh I'd have bought Dawnguard already if I didn't keep hearing about it seriously ****ing people's games up still wanting for them to deal wth the worst bugs in it before I spend money on it only to have my game freeze every 20  seconds.

It froze my Xbox twice and I had to clear my cache. It was smooth sailing after that.

[Maria Caliban]

MorningBird wrote...

... Well, I was planning to play as a human mage anyway, so I guess I lucked out. XD

Then they announce that you can't play a mage PC because it makes no sense for an important member of the Inquisition to be one.

[Shadow Fox]

Xilizhra wrote...

Monica21 wrote...

Just from the title of the DA3, I'm not entirely sure why playing as a race other than human would make sense within the storyline of a game called "Inquisition." Except for Brother Burkel we haven't seen a dwarven Andrastian and we know there aren't dwarven mages. The Dalish followed Andraste but only because "the enemy of my enemy is my friend." Maybe an Elven Mage would make sense, but without knowing what the story is and who your character will actually be, I don't see any race other than human having a vested interest in the outcome of a mage/templar conflict.

Brilliant insight: don't be forced to play as an Andrastian. The religion, in my eyes, completely sucks and I want no part of it whatsoever. The original Inquisition was secular, and the new one could very well be too.

I hear ya on hating to  have to support factions or ideals you hate in games which is why I have a huge appreaciation for Skyrim in that regard aside from one quest I'm not forced to pick a side or faction in the game.

[Monica21]

Xilizhra wrote...

Monica21 wrote...

Just from the title of the DA3, I'm not entirely sure why playing as a race other than human would make sense within the storyline of a game called "Inquisition." Except for Brother Burkel we haven't seen a dwarven Andrastian and we know there aren't dwarven mages. The Dalish followed Andraste but only because "the enemy of my enemy is my friend." Maybe an Elven Mage would make sense, but without knowing what the story is and who your character will actually be, I don't see any race other than human having a vested interest in the outcome of a mage/templar conflict.

Brilliant insight: don't be forced to play as an Andrastian. The religion, in my eyes, completely sucks and I want no part of it whatsoever. The original Inquisition was secular, and the new one could very well be too.

My point is that whatever the PC's role, he/she will be playing some part in an inquisition. It's unlikely that you'll have to play as an Andrastian, but without knowing the story it seems premature for several people to suddenly decide not to buy the game. A good story is a good story, regardless of race.

[MorningBird]

Maria Caliban wrote...

MorningBird wrote...

... Well, I was planning to play as a human mage anyway, so I guess I lucked out. XD

Then they announce that you can't play a mage PC because it makes no sense for an important member of the Inquisition to be one.

And then I cry. ;-;

I'd probably still buy the game though, I'm easy like that

Although, I could totally dig there being some kind of conflict within... whatever orginization your PC ends up being a part of over them being mage.

Modifié par MorningBird, 21 octobre 2012 - 01:56 .

[Mims]

Super disappointing. Not a deal breaker, but it makes me apprehensive. If feels like we're starting out with limitations and not much being offered as to why. I'm sure there IS a good reason. I just hope its worth it.

Modifié par Mims, 21 octobre 2012 - 01:56 .

[AppealToReason]

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

I hear ya on hating to  have to support factions or ideals you hate in games which is why I have a huge appreaciation for Skyrim in that regard aside from one quest I'm not forced to pick a side or faction in the game.

The way I understood everything they said was that you're off almost out to myth hunt and inquisitionasize about old stuff. To say the Inquisition, in the game, is about curb stomping mages seemed really innaccurate when they began elaborating a bit on what their plan was. 

[Shadow Fox]

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

Satyricon331 wrote...

Cinematic design, no race customization... yay for the people who like that, but I just don't feel any enthusiasm for Bioware anymore.

edit: what dheer said.  The only bone they've thrown so far to the people who disliked DA2 but liked DAO (that I know of) is their decision not to recycle levels.

Looks like I'll be sticking with Skyrim and whatever new DLC they release. At least with that game I can actually choose from multiple races in a fantasy game.

"Dragonborn" is the next DLC coming up, according to rumors. I thought Skyrim had a good story, and I liked Paarthurnax's philosophical outlook on the possibility of a new world arising from the end of the current one.

Also, Project Eternity is supposed to have multiple races as well for the protagonist. Lot of talented people working on that game.

Yes, I heard about that. Dawnguard was great, but I wanted to go to a different land. Dragonborn sounds like my kind of DLC.

I have faith in Project Eternity. It's too bad I can't say the same for Bioware. Obsidian knows how to make RPG's and New Vegas is one of the best RPG's I've played this generation. Where Bioware fails (always trying to find ways and make excuses to cut the RPG out of the game) Obsidian will hopefully succeed.

Eh I'd have bought Dawnguard already if I didn't keep hearing about it seriously ****ing people's games up still wanting for them to deal wth the worst bugs in it before I spend money on it only to have my game freeze every 20  seconds.

It froze my Xbox twice and I had to clear my cache. It was smooth sailing after that.

My xbox must hate skyrim then.<_<

[Monica21]

Maria Caliban wrote...

MorningBird wrote...

... Well, I was planning to play as a human mage anyway, so I guess I lucked out. XD

Then they announce that you can't play a mage PC because it makes no sense for an important member of the Inquisition to be one.

If Cullen ends up being an LI, then they'll have to have the option to play as a mage. For, you know, Cullen angst.

[RandomSyhn]

Maria Caliban wrote...

RandomSyhn wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

Yeah, I don't think we've seen anything designed specifically for people who liked DA:O but hated DA II.

Believe it or not DA II was based off of DA:O. They have a lot of differences admittedly but similarities too. It's not like DAIII is being designed as a DAII clone. I doubt either DA:O or DAII will be ignored in the development of DAIII. Nobody wants a copy paste of either of those games we want somthing new.

I'm not sure why you quoted me as this doesn't seem to be a reply to my post.

What do you see in Dragon Age III geared specifically to those who liked DA:O but not DA II?

Does it have to be geared specificallly to DA:O fans and not DAII fans? Can't it just be geared towards DA fans. I'll admit so far many of the changes that I've seen are improving upon things of DA II but is that totally exclusionary to DA:O fans? There were a lot of things in DAII based off of DA:O that probably will be prevelant in DAIII. Obviously there are differences and many of these weren't well recieved so these are the things they are trying to improve or make better for the next iteration. Maybe they're improving on somthing you didn't like, maybe these improvments will make that aspect more likable. Maybe they won't. But why immediatly say that change is for DAII fans, they may be complaing about that change when it's revealed.

I chose your quote because you separate fans of DA:O from those of DAII. I just feel that whether or not you like either of the first to games should we be creating a schism between fans. If you're a fan of DA:O chances are you're a fan of the Dragon age universe if you are a fan of DAII you're a fan of the dragon age universe. Maybe you disliked one or the other or loved both but is the game ultimatley being made for the fans of Dragonage?

Maybe I'm being idealistic.

Modifié par RandomSyhn, 21 octobre 2012 - 02:01 .

[Shadow Fox]

AppealToReason wrote...

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

I hear ya on hating to  have to support factions or ideals you hate in games which is why I have a huge appreaciation for Skyrim in that regard aside from one quest I'm not forced to pick a side or faction in the game.

The way I understood everything they said was that you're off almost out to myth hunt and inquisitionasize about old stuff. To say the Inquisition, in the game, is about curb stomping mages seemed really innaccurate when they began elaborating a bit on what their plan was. 

I'm refering to dragon Age 2's endgame.

[Maria Caliban]

MorningBird wrote...

And then I cry. ;-;

I'd probably still buy the game though, I'm easy like that

Although, I could totally dig there being some kind of conflict within... whatever orginization your PC ends up being a part of over them being mage.

Yes. If they let you play a mage Inquisitor, I'd hope people react to that.

And I don't want to even think about a blood mage Inquisitor.

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 21 octobre 2012 - 02:00 .

[Vandicus]

Maria Caliban wrote...

MorningBird wrote...

And then I cry. ;-;

I'd probably still buy the game though, I'm easy like that

Although, I could totally dig there being some kind of conflict within... whatever orginization your PC ends up being a part of over them being mage.

Yes. If they let you play a mage Inquisitor, I'd hope people react to that.

And I don't want to even think about a blood mage Inquisitor.

Well they've said mages are in, and that they're intent on making specializations more important, while also considering limiting characters to one specialization, and blood magic was brought up as an example. I might just have to play a blood mage to see how the NPCs react.

[Xilizhra]

My point is that whatever the PC's role, he/she will be playing some part in an inquisition. It's unlikely that you'll have to play as an Andrastian, but without knowing the story it seems premature for several people to suddenly decide not to buy the game. A good story is a good story, regardless of race.

It might be, but my faith in it being good dropped some. And I'm very leery about forced religious beliefs now, especially in this context...

[Heimdall]

I'm a bit disappointed that I won't have a full selection of races to choose from.

I'll certainly keep hoping for it in the future. However, as I said a month ago on these forums, it's not a game breaker for me. I enjoyed Dragon Age 2, even if to a lesser degree than Dragon Age:Origins. From everything I've seen, Dragon Age: Inquisition will correct some of if not most of the flaws of Dragon Age 2 even if it fails to fully reach the level of Origins.

I'm really glad to hear about background choice at any rate.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Maria Caliban wrote...

MorningBird wrote...

And then I cry. ;-;

I'd probably still buy the game though, I'm easy like that

Although, I could totally dig there being some kind of conflict within... whatever orginization your PC ends up being a part of over them being mage.

Yes. If they let you play a mage Inquisitor, I'd hope people react to that.

And I don't want to even think about a blood mage Inquisitor.

Some people already did. Blood Magic, Great Power Should Come With Great Price.

My reaction was that in the interests of not being Game-Breaking, the most you'd get would probably be coup/assassination attempts from Templar-Trained attackers.

[TEWR]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

Recruiting othe races to fight a war is one thing. Recruiting other races to fish the answers to a conspiracy where other races might even be suspects is not likely.

Eh, I'm not so certain about that. A Dalish Elf might be convinced to investigate if he had sufficient reason to believe it'd help his people down the line, and might even be willing to go against his fellow kin if they were actually a threat to that goal.

Fact is, all races are going to be involved on some level. Humans will play a part, Elves will play a part, Dwarves will play a part, even Kossith might play a part (especially with the looming Qunari invasion). I don't know if you can really say that the reason you should play as a Human is because you won't be liable to siding with your own race, especially since they're probably going to be the primary instigators of the conflict.

Dwarves have had a relationship with Humans that, while not ideal, isn't exactly violent. They're more or less on friendly -- if strained -- terms with one another. And they happen to harbor no malice towards Elves.

Given that, I'd say Dwarves would be the most likely to have an impartial view of events. Of course, that's somewhat funny coming from me.

Humans and Elves on the other hand are in a bitter relationship towards each other, so I can see them being biased.

But then again, wouldn't that make for excellent roleplaying?

I dunno. Perhaps the only reason I think multiple races would be good for the game from a story standpoint -- as opposed to just the "more choices" standpoint -- stems from the lack of sufficient information on the game itself. Were I to find out more, I might be able to say more. 

[Heimdall]

Xilizhra wrote...

My point is that whatever the PC's role, he/she will be playing some part in an inquisition. It's unlikely that you'll have to play as an Andrastian, but without knowing the story it seems premature for several people to suddenly decide not to buy the game. A good story is a good story, regardless of race.

It might be, but my faith in it being good dropped some. And I'm very leery about forced religious beliefs now, especially in this context...

I feel fairly certain they won't force religion on you.  They know how much flak that got in DA2.  I mean, I think they'll atleast give you reason to be in the inquisition outside of the religious aspect.

[Maria Caliban]

RandomSyhn wrote...

Does it have to be geared specificallly to DA:O fans and not DAII fans?

In order for it to qualify as 'a thing geared to DA:O fans who didn't like DAII?' Yes.

RandomSyhn wrote...

I chose your quote because you separate fans of DA:O from those of DAII.

If I separated fans of DA:O from fans of DA II, I'd have just said there was nothing for people who liked DA:O. By specifying fans of DA:O who disliked DA II, that implies there are people liked both.

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 21 octobre 2012 - 02:06 .

[Monica21]

Xilizhra wrote...

My point is that whatever the PC's role, he/she will be playing some part in an inquisition. It's unlikely that you'll have to play as an Andrastian, but without knowing the story it seems premature for several people to suddenly decide not to buy the game. A good story is a good story, regardless of race.

It might be, but my faith in it being good dropped some. And I'm very leery about forced religious beliefs now, especially in this context...

I can pretty easily see scenarios where the PC makes a choice to work against the Seekers and the Divine. If there are several backgrounds to choose from, then "hater of the Chantry" seems a likely one.

[Doveberry]

As long as I get my voiced PC, I have no problem with playing human.

[Farbautisonn]

Does anyone NOT expect this game to flunk when copared to Witcher2?