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[Vandicus]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Fast Jimmy wrote...

Recruiting othe races to fight a war is one thing. Recruiting other races to fish the answers to a conspiracy where other races might even be suspects is not likely.

Eh, I'm not so certain about that. A Dalish Elf might be convinced to investigate if he had sufficient reason to believe it'd help his people down the line, and might even be willing to go against his fellow kin if they were actually a threat to that goal.

Fact is, all races are going to be involved on some level. Humans will play a part, Elves will play a part, Dwarves will play a part, even Kossith might play a part (especially with the looming Qunari invasion). I don't know if you can really say that the reason you should play as a Human is because you won't be liable to siding with your own race, especially since they're probably going to be the primary instigators of the conflict.

Dwarves have had a relationship with Humans that, while not ideal, isn't exactly violent. They're more or less on friendly -- if strained -- terms with one another. And they happen to harbor no malice towards Elves.

Given that, I'd say Dwarves would be the most likely to have an impartial view of events. Of course, that's somewhat funny coming from me.

Humans and Elves on the other hand are in a bitter relationship towards each other, so I can see them being biased.

But then again, wouldn't that make for excellent roleplaying?

I dunno. Perhaps the only reason I think multiple races would be good for the game from a story standpoint -- as opposed to just the "more choices" standpoint -- stems from the lack of sufficient information on the game itself. Were I to find out more, I might be able to say more. 

Interracial conflict does make for a fascinating story. It is, however, not the main focus here, and the interracial conflict in Thedas is so strong as to break verisimilitude if it is not addressed sufficiently, and to address it sufficiently depending on how the plot is written could be extremely resource consuming and difficult to write. I suspect Bioware would not want to simply provide reskins that are never addressed but on a superficial level. We're not anywhere close to a game being able to provide a simulation of events like a DM can, though Bioware is slowly inching forward on this front. Their decisions will probably make more sense when we learn more of the plot.

[LobselVith8]

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

Fast Jimmy wrote...

As others have said here and before, being an Inquisitor almost automatically precluded us from having multiple races. Even if the Chanty/Templars don't control the Inquisiton, they will at least have to sign off on those who are leading if, given that the inqusiiton is being out together to determine who has sabotaged the peace conference between the two groups.

And the Chantry/Templars wouldn't sign off on some godless Dwarves, pagan knife ears or heathen Kossith being in charge.

Well I could bring up Skyrim's Stormcloaks but I'd just be laughed at.

Why? The Stormcloaks didn't exclude other races, and Ulfric has no problem with a non-Nord Dragonborn. A Thalmor agent even disguises himself as a high ranking member of the Stormcloaks.

[packardbell]

 Humans were by far the biggest demographic in Origins. Obviously people are going to pick a race they relate to the most.

[Maria Caliban]

Farbautisonn wrote...

Does anyone NOT expect this game to flunk when copared to Witcher2?

Compared to Witcher 2, I expect it will be Shakespeare.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Farbautisonn wrote...

Does anyone NOT expect this game to flunk when copared to Witcher2?

I do. I never liked either Witcher game, so it can't be worse than them imo.

[unclee]

People are seriously upset about this? Aside from some throw away dialog and two locations in the game, the races were pretty much just pallet swaps in DA:O (yes, I know the Dwarves had different character models but you get the point). They had no truly meaningful impact on the game.

I'm sure I'll get some flack for that one, but meh. This news doesn't bother me much. As long as Bioware delivers on all that other stuff I'll happily play as a human again.

[Fast Jimmy]

RandomSyhn wrote...]

Does it have to be geared specificallly to DA:O fans and not DAII fans? Can't it just be geared towards DA fans. I'll admit so far many of the changes that I've seen are improving upon things of DA II but is that totally exclusionary to DA:O fans? There were a lot of things in DAII based off of DA:O that probably will be prevelant in DAIII. Obviously there are differences and many of these weren't well recieved so these are the things they are trying to improve or make better for the next iteration. Maybe they're improving on somthing you didn't like, maybe these improvments will make that aspect more likable. Maybe they won't. But why immediatly say that change is for DAII fans, they may be complaing about that change when it's revealed.

I chose your quote because you separate fans of DA:O from those of DAII. I just feel that whether or not you like either of the first to games should we be creating a schism between fans. If you're a fan of DA:O chances are you're a fan of the Dragon age universe if you are a fan of DAII you're a fan of the dragon age universe. Maybe you disliked one or the other or loved both but is the game ultimatley being made for the fans of Dragonage?

Maybe I'm being idealistic.

I find the universe of DA2 to be less enjoyable because of the execution of the gameplay. In fact, the mechanics of Da:O got me to play and love eight playthroughs, while the mechanics in DA2 had me struggling through one playthrough, forcing myself throughs a second and giving up on a third. 

To try and frame the argument like 'we all love Dragon Age' is  of practical. Its not that I just didn't like DA2... it has ruined the universe for me. And if DA3 represents it, I'll be one with leaving that universe behind. 

And I'm not alone, by any stretch of the imagination. 

[Shadow Fox]

Farbautisonn wrote...

Does anyone NOT expect this game to flunk when copared to Witcher2?

I have the same problem with that game that I have with DA2 and 3 that being forced to play as a human.

[Farbautisonn]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Farbautisonn wrote...

Does anyone NOT expect this game to flunk when copared to Witcher2?

Compared to Witcher 2, I expect it will be Shakespeare.

Then I dont really think you read much Shakespeare...

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Farbautisonn wrote...

Does anyone NOT expect this game to flunk when copared to Witcher2?

Compared to Witcher 2, I expect it will be Shakespeare.

If there are devils, would I get to play as one!

[Hanako Ikezawa]

While sad that I can't play other races, I like how they're doing a background system for the Inquisitor so overall, I'm content.

Modifié par LDS Darth Revan, 21 octobre 2012 - 02:16 .

[EpicBoot2daFace]

Farbautisonn wrote...

Does anyone NOT expect this game to flunk when copared to Witcher2?

Oh, I'm sure we'll get more bad news. Like wave combat is coming back or that you still can't talk to your companions unless the game tells you to.

[Vandicus]

Farbautisonn wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

Farbautisonn wrote...

Does anyone NOT expect this game to flunk when copared to Witcher2?

Compared to Witcher 2, I expect it will be Shakespeare.

Then I dont really think you read much Shakespeare...

Sarcastic/funny Inquisitor could be a lot like it. Shakespeare had some hilarious characters. I never found his tragedies particularly engaging though.

[Shadow Fox]

LobselVith8 wrote...

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

Fast Jimmy wrote...

As others have said here and before, being an Inquisitor almost automatically precluded us from having multiple races. Even if the Chanty/Templars don't control the Inquisiton, they will at least have to sign off on those who are leading if, given that the inqusiiton is being out together to determine who has sabotaged the peace conference between the two groups.

And the Chantry/Templars wouldn't sign off on some godless Dwarves, pagan knife ears or heathen Kossith being in charge.

Well I could bring up Skyrim's Stormcloaks but I'd just be laughed at.

Why? The Stormcloaks didn't exclude other races, and Ulfric has no problem with a non-Nord Dragonborn. A Thalmor agent even disguises himself as a high ranking member of the Stormcloaks.

I said that in response to the argument that the Inquister had to be human the cloakies pretty much spell out they hate elves yet accept an Elven DB into they're ranks without much of a fuss and the Thalmor double agent.

[Volus Warlord]

Farbautisonn wrote...

Does anyone NOT expect this game to flunk when copared to Witcher2?

Well, the Witcher 2 was an interactive porno with a few RPG elements, and DA2 was a shoddy relationship simulator with nearly all the characters completely bland and unexceptional... 

I refuse to choose one over the other. Suck it, Starbrat.

Modifié par Volus Warlord, 21 octobre 2012 - 02:19 .

[LobselVith8]

Lord Aesir wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

My point is that whatever the PC's role, he/she will be playing some part in an inquisition. It's unlikely that you'll have to play as an Andrastian, but without knowing the story it seems premature for several people to suddenly decide not to buy the game. A good story is a good story, regardless of race.

It might be, but my faith in it being good dropped some. And I'm very leery about forced religious beliefs now, especially in this context...

I feel fairly certain they won't force religion on you.  They know how much flak that got in DA2.  I mean, I think they'll atleast give you reason to be in the inquisition outside of the religious aspect.

I'm fairly certain they will force the protagonist to be religiously Andrastian, given how Gaider responded to criticism about the lack of atheist options for Hawke and how the Champion was written to be religiously Andrastian.

[challenger18]

Farbautisonn wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

Farbautisonn wrote...

Does anyone NOT expect this game to flunk when copared to Witcher2?

Compared to Witcher 2, I expect it will be Shakespeare.

Then I dont really think you read much Shakespeare...

I didn't know Shakespeare wrote about bland expressionless characters and featured a male character who could bone any chick he laid eyes on. 

If that's your definition of winning then I hope BioWare doesn't drink the tiger blood. 

[Carmen_Willow]

What I most liked about Origins was the in-depth back story that led to Ostagar. And while I most often play an elf in Skyrim, that is because I like to role-play the "Stranger in a Strange Land" concept, and I like the archery perk the Bosmer get.

If they give us a great back story for each human situation, it will be fine.

[Farbautisonn]

Vandicus wrote...


Sarcastic/funny Inquisitor could be a lot like it.

Because an inquisitor by name and nature has just those traits...

[Xilizhra]

Lord Aesir wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

My point is that whatever the PC's role, he/she will be playing some part in an inquisition. It's unlikely that you'll have to play as an Andrastian, but without knowing the story it seems premature for several people to suddenly decide not to buy the game. A good story is a good story, regardless of race.

It might be, but my faith in it being good dropped some. And I'm very leery about forced religious beliefs now, especially in this context...

I feel fairly certain they won't force religion on you.  They know how much flak that got in DA2.  I mean, I think they'll atleast give you reason to be in the inquisition outside of the religious aspect.

I don't think it got enough flak. And it's not that I only need to be opposed to the Chantry, but I don't want to be an Andrastian in any way, shape, or form. I don't mind being another non-Qun religion, but with the Creators and Stone cut out, all that really leaves is the Old Gods or outright atheism (or potentially Chasind gods if they think of it, I suppose).

[AppealToReason]

Farbautisonn wrote...

Vandicus wrote...


Sarcastic/funny Inquisitor could be a lot like it.

Because an inquisitor by name and nature has just those traits...

Yes? Good cop, bad cop, confusingly amusing chirpycop.

[LobselVith8]

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

Well I could bring up Skyrim's Stormcloaks but I'd just be laughed at.

Why? The Stormcloaks didn't exclude other races, and Ulfric has no problem with a non-Nord Dragonborn. A Thalmor agent even disguises himself as a high ranking member of the Stormcloaks.

I said that in response to the argument that the Inquister had to be human the cloakies pretty much spell out they hate elves yet accept an Elven DB into they're ranks without much of a fuss and the Thalmor double agent.

Some of them, but not all. Ulfric's mantra tends to be misused by the more narrow-minded Nords, as he calls a non-Nord a "true son of Skyrim" based on his views, not his race. I get what you're trying to say, though.

[Vandicus]

Farbautisonn wrote...

Vandicus wrote...


Sarcastic/funny Inquisitor could be a lot like it.

Because an inquisitor by name and nature has just those traits...

Not any more or less than a Hawke or Warden does. Not exactly seeing your point here. They've stated they intend to keep the tone direction, which would lead me to believe that funny/sarcastic and otherwise witty lines will be plentifully available throughout the game. Shakespeare was quite liberal in his application of humor. I merely observed that this is a major trait that they can both possess.

[Farbautisonn]

If it wasnt so sad, it would be funny....